AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain? ..

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People (from what I am reading in a variety of places on the internet) seem to have decided this even before the trial has been concluded. Presumably, we won't know all of the evidence until the trial ends.

The previous trial in the UK concluded that there was indeed evidence that JD was indeed a wife beater. How come everyone feels that they are sure previous trial had the wrong verdict?

But the court case is about Depp, not Heard. And her being an abuser, which on the balance of probability I would say she probably is, doesn't mean that he isn't also abusive. Which people seem to really struggle to grasp.

But that's not what @PlasticineMeg said though is it. She's right in pointing out that although this is about whether or not JD was abusive, so much of the attention is focused on laying accusations at AHs door. Eg the ridiculous dog shit story.

AH has been diagnosed by a Psychologist of having, in her opinion and through many evaluations, a Borderline Personality Disorder. I didn't hear any calls for 'irrelevance' in court today.

They sound as vile and out of control as each other in terms of general behaviour during the relationship - she comes across as a husband beater, he comes across as a wife beater. I think she is ultimately infinitely worse for having publicised her very one-sided version of events in the first place - airing their filthy linen in public. Both deeply screwed up people.

Erm, except I didn’t say that - I’ve gone off the evidence and frankly I’m embarrassed for people that they think in comparison what she has done is worse.

I’ve seen people in safeguarding saying JD is the victim here, that’s terrifying and is indicative of nothing more than starry eyed fawning over someone who is a man, a famous man, a rich man.

In this case public opinion seems to be very much on Depp's side and Heard is being castigated by men and women alike. So generally people aren't making that assumption. I've seen more hate directed towards Amber Heard than Alec Baldwin for example, or Mel Gibson, and more sympathy for Johnny Depp than for say, Nigella Lawson when it came out that she was being abused by her husband.

Actually the sentiment reminds me of the Paul McCartney and Heather Mills divorce.

I was also questioning the relevance of you reply to @PlasticineMeg and I'm still confused about where you got that from?

Stories of Ambers behaviour are being used by a lot of JD supporters to deflect any attention from the accusations against.
That's the point, that there are two possibly unpleasant/abusive people in this situation but because the patriarchal misogyny is so entrenched in people despite the trial being about JD^^ violent drink/drug addled abuse,
AH is the one being portrayed as the devil incarnate for her questionable behaviour.

And to add, I find it astonishing that people are using AH to pretend that women are always believed and female abuse victims are treated much better than male ones..when this case (and their own actions) very clearly displays the fact that the complete opposite is true.

Depp hit Heard.

Heard testified that Depp hit her Heard provided a photograph that showed a split open lip.

Depp's Private nurse named Erin Boerum, who treated both Heard and Depp, testified about her injuries. Boerum’s notes confirm that Heard had a split lip, but Boeurum ‘“briefly looked at the client's scalp but was unable to visualise haematomas the client described.” Heard claims that she also had a black eye, a broken nose, and cracked ribs. She claims that she had to wear heavy makeup and dark lipstick to cover her injuries for James Corden’s show.

Heard’s makeup artist told the court via video link from California she witnessed bruises and a split open lip. Mélanie Inglessis said she was called by Heard to the Hollywood couple’s penthouse apartment in Los Angeles in December 2015 and helped to conceal the injuries so that Heard could appear on a US chat show the next day apparently unblemished.

So that is a photo and 2 corroborating witnesses including 1 who is on Depp's side confirming injuries to Heard.

You can argue Heard is lying, injured herself and that both witnesses are lying but the facts are there.

Depp has the power to end the makeup artists career. It just not believable she would lie AND the nurse who was on Depp's payroll too?! Come on.

Amber Heard is a neurotic, fiery tempered opportunist with abandonment issues that she fully acknowledged and admitted to instigating some fights as well as chase Depp and try to save their relationship. She admitted all of that but she has never said she dominated him, kept him in a place of unease and fear or violently beaten him to the point he lost his finger tip! Nor is there actual evidence she did.

You keep referring to the 2 audio clips where she called him a baby, said she hit him etc.

Have you not realised that from that hour plus long recording only 2 edited clips have been released by Depp's team and despite the UK Court request, they refuse to let anyone hear the full audio? 1 snippet begins mid sentence for Heard. Why are they not releasing the minutes up to that partial sentence?

Have you never stopped to wonder why and what are they hiding?

Why does Depp need to flood your social media with fake stories? Some of the bot accout stories are so daft they even outright lie like Jason Momoa supports Depp which is not true.

Depp released the story that Heard shat his bed. Another way of showing how awful she is. Except he lied. He testified that he had not even been living there for about a month at that time, that Heard was away at Coachella and had no idea he was going to sneak over. Depp even admitted to accusing Heard's friend Io Tillet(sp?).

You know who will shit the bed? Tiny dogs with anxiety issues. I should know, I have a chihuahua.

Why did he need to spread that story that he knew was false? Wasnt he going to win anyway with all his evidence?

He lied again and again to his fans. He was aware he wasnt fired from Pirates. I remember the Margot Robbie reboot story came out before their bust up. No way he didnt.

He knew he couldn't keep the Grindelwald role. Not just because of the case but because his drug binges were public and I believe he was struggling to secure the required Actors Insurance all actors MUST have to be in big budget movies. They dont insure addicts to the required levels. Read up on Robert Downey Jnr's struggle if you doubt me.

I've only found 1 website posting case facts and not Depp propaganda.

Oh No They Didn't:
ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/123158880.html
ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/123217754.html

Evidence and Testimony with court day summaries as facts, no opinions.

Read the texts and emails from Depp. It isn't just Amber he insults. He's vile to Vanessa Paradis too. He writes about woman horribly and that's why he is a misogynist.

Your Grandmother sounds truly awful and your heart must be so scarred by her abuse but with gentle respect, you are probably projecting her onto how you perceive Amber Heard.

She is no angel but there just isnt any evidence that shows she deliberately hurt or set up Depp like he is telling all his fans she did.

Even Milani Cosmetics have lied about Heard! Told millions the concealing palette came out in 2017 when it was reviewed by Glamour UK in 2016 and was in the hands of influencers and stylists earlier.

How can anyone really win when the majority of the world have been manipulated by a bot smear campaign, fake news and now famous names jump in and lie?

You also said none of Depp's exes said he was abusive. Vanessa, who is paid by Depp and Ryder, who is trying to relaunch her career both agreed he never hit them.

But where were Moss and Lewis? His most recent exes before Vanessa who dont financially rely on him or have to co parent?

Dig a little deeper. Read his testimony from a non biased source. You'll see what some of us are starting to see too.

Spot on! Am so tired of people who should know better defending this cockwomble, just because they like bloody Jack Sparrow

I find it astonishing that people are using AH to pretend that women are always believed and female abuse victims are treated much better than male ones..when this case (and their own actions) very clearly displays the fact that the complete opposite is true.

100% agree.

Right from the get go I have never stated that JD was innocent, what I have said right from the beginning is that he does deserve to have his say. Apart from MN I'm not on social media so no idea what's going on there, what I am doing is watching the trial (which is what I'm doing now) and looking at what's presented as evidence and what witness statements and experts are saying in both directions.

No, there is a tape recording where she says he head butted her. He doesn't deny it and says he won't do it again. She says he throws her against walls , he doesn't deny this. The same with burning her with cigarettes. I guess the question is- is a non denial an agreement?

No, there is a tape recording where she says he head butted her. He doesn't deny it and says he won't do it again. She says he throws her against walls , he doesn't deny this. The same with burning her with cigarettes. I guess the question is- is a non denial an agreement?

I cant believe we are at a point where people want to argue how many number of assaults on a spouse/partner counts as abuse, and what the psychology behind it need be to become abuse.

It's simple. one.

one act of physical assault against a spouse/partner is Domestic Abuse.

Now it can be a isolated incident of domestic abuse and never ever happen again or it can continue and become prolonged abuse.

But it's simple, it really is.

They are both abusers. This whole knotting yourself up to minimise, deflect, blame, DAVRO it, makes no difference.

Adults shouldn't be hitting eachother. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Sorry I must have a lot of time in my hand but here's the audio recording of them for over 4 hours,
It's cringing/really not our business but gives you an idea who's the abuser here right?

I think the main reason it's being debated is because JD was being painted as a wife beater (to quote the Sun) which has completely different connotations to hitting back someone who has manipulated and abused you and worn you down to the point of snapping. I think at this point he just wants exposure on the entire mess of a relationship and to demonstrate that he wasn't the aggressor and that if he did enact any physical damage that it was done accidentally/through defending himself etc.

For what it's worth I believe he probably did hurt her in some instances but I don't believe he was the one who escalated the arguments into physical fights.

There seems to be a history of physical violence by AH against her partners, sister, assistants etc. Meanwhile JD seems to have trashed rooms and inanimate objects and yelled at people but there doesn't seem to be a pattern of him hitting or physically abusing others.

The psychology testimony today was very interesting about AH - both in terms of what was diagnosed but also in terms of the psychologist concluding that AH had feigned symptoms and tried to minimise negative traits to manipulate the diagnosis. Overall AH seems wildly untrustworthy as a source, so even if she is speaking truth it is hard to believe

Why does one need to be innocent for the other to be guilty? It clear to me they are both abusers, they are both guilty and they are both victims of abusive. These arguments are little more than who is worse.

Unfortunately for JD he's the one who has tried to prove it's not true so all his life has been put on show and everyone knows what kind of person he is. At least AH does not deny it. They are both toxic in a toxic relationship. He has far more to loose and has done by exposing his whole life to the world. Revealing the opposite of what he intended. He seems so adamant it's not true yet it has already been found to be true.

Amazing this psychologist can diagnose a woman she’s never even met. Quite the feat!

Not meaning to be rude but we must be watching two completely different trials then, unless you're not watching it and getting all your info from social media maybe, I don't know.

Meanwhile JD seems to have trashed rooms and inanimate objects and yelled at people but there doesn't seem to be a pattern of him hitting or physically abusing others.

I didn’t realise that Winona Ryder and Kate Moss were inanimate objects.

ambear Heard’s arrest for assault of her girlfriend was steeped heavily in homophobia. As the police have admitted. Her girlfriend says it was an argument and has spoken very loudly about how it was an uncalled for arrest from a bucktooth airport copper who can’t cope that some women are lesbians

@PlasticineMeg This is exactly what I meant in my post before this one.

Amazing this psychologist can diagnose a woman she’s never even met. Quite the feat!

She met with AH in person over two days which was clearly stated in the trial.

Ah fair enough - Google tells me this psychologist was hired by Depp and had two sessions (not two days) with Heard after having read things presented to her from Depp’s legal team. She said AH ‘grossly exaggerated PTSD after the split” - interesting moral compass from a psychologist.

I mean two sessions is DEFINITELY enough to diagnose two disorders especially when you’re being paid by a vengeful ex-husband to the person you’re assessing. Not dodgy at all.

on that note I think we need to remember how different civil courts in the US are to the UK. They have far fewer restrictions on who can testify - basically if you have enough money you can get any old biased source on the stand if you like. We are lucky here that it’s more impartial and fair.

She is a very experienced Psychologist I'm sure, along with all her other evaluations and notes, she felt confident enough to make that evaluation. I mean c'mon anyone who even has a little knowledge about personality disorders would not have been too surprised to have this confirmed.

on that note I think we need to remember how different civil courts in the US are to the UK. They have far fewer restrictions on who can testify - basically if you have enough money you can get any old biased source on the stand if you like. We are lucky here that it’s more impartial and fair

Yes we do need to remind ourselves and if you are going down that road then of course it's a two way street, I don't however think that would extend extend to the LAPD!

The LAPD are notorious for Hollywood corruption!

No way they were going to touch Johnny Depp and risk the wrath of the Studio.

This is the testimony of one officer:
LAPD Officer Melissa Saenz regarding the domestic violence call at the downtown LA penthouse on May 21, 2016.
During testimony Tuesday, Saenz said she does not recall seeing any injuries on Heard or damaged property in the penthouse that night. Either would require a police report.

When Saenz responded on scene, she saw Heard crying and she "looked upset" but wouldn't make eye contact with the officer. Bredehoft showed pictures from that night of Heard, asking Saenz if she appeared injured. Saenz said it looked consistent with someone who had been crying, as her face was "flush." Bredehoft then showed a photo of the carpet with discoloration on one side and asked if it appeared like a wine stain, Saenz said it "could be, yes."
Neither Heard nor anyone else in the penthouse at the time would speak with Saenz. "All parties were uncooperative," she said Tuesday, saying no one provided their name. Bredehoft questioned if that was unusual, Saenz replied, "no it's not, a lot of people don't like us."

So the Officer attended a domestic violence call with no body cam on, was met with unco operative Amber Heard who looked upset and was crying and decided that everything was fine. No crime. Bye bye.

The fact that Amber was crying and wouldn't look the Officer in the eye is concerning enough but to miss stains on the floor and just log it all off as nothing is proof they were either prejudiced or really stupid.

So what youre saying is no matter the evidence, no matter the testimony youve already made your mind up and Depp is guilty

I don’t see that’s what she is saying at all. I mean there is plenty of evidence that Depp was extremely violent which is what the case is about. It’s not actually about whether AH was violent although you could be forgiven for believing it was.