AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain? ..

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People (from what I am reading in a variety of places on the internet) seem to have decided this even before the trial has been concluded. Presumably, we won't know all of the evidence until the trial ends.

The previous trial in the UK concluded that there was indeed evidence that JD was indeed a wife beater. How come everyone feels that they are sure previous trial had the wrong verdict?

The level of delusional thinking in here is disturbing.

I googled ‘team amber’ and I wasn’t able to find very much in terms of support for her on a lot of SM platforms. I think even if she ‘wins’ this case (entirely possible of course) I can’t see how she’s going to ever do well in the public eye. Even on Reddit everyone is saying the same things as on this thread. I think he will end up with a career of some kind but not in blockbuster movies, just because of this massive fan base that seems to be constantly growing by the day. People are making MERCH with phrases from this court case. He’s a meme, a sound, a vibe in a positive way now. She’s about 36 or so now And all this will now follow her forever and ever I don’t think she will find it easy to come back from this either way. I think he has tanked her career

don’t underestimate the court of public opinion, they are the people who spend their money on watching the movies, buying the music and being a fan. People really seem to hate her. It’s honestly tragic.

Spoken like a true consipiracy theorist. ‘Done our own research’ aka ‘Dave from twitter made a megathread and he’s definitely legit’.

There’s always some reference made to such research of impeccable standard, yet it never seems to materialise. Amazing, that.

You’re assuming people haven’t heard the tapes. Actually most of us have heard a few tapes, including the ones where she’s begging him not to cut himself in front of her, and the ones where he’s calling her a fat ass because she’s told him to stop putting cigarettes out on her.

As has been repeatedly said, any abusive action by Amber Heard does not negate Johnny Depp’s behaviour. Her being unpleasant or even abusive does not mean that he isn’t an abuser in his own right.

I wonder what the excuses will be if, likely when, he loses this one.

This is entirely a personal take but I find the indirect way JD structures his sentences to be unnerving.

I've been in a relationship with a man who was very manipulative – he lied, twisted the truth, avoided, denied, deflected and blamed as a regular matter of course. So I've gotten fairly good at recognising speech that's deliberately vague, avoids making outright threats in favour of oblique ones that have plausible deniability, and focuses on the 'better future' so as not to address the problematic past or present.

'The next move, if I don't walk away, it's just going to be a bloodbath. Like it was on the island, it's not worth it. Why be miserable, can we just have some understanding?'

Who's going to cause the bloodbath?

'Just thought you should know there exists a book titled Disco Bloodbath, that's all.'

Why does he 'just think she should know'?

'I made a huge mistake. I won't do it again.'

This is a classic mantra for an abuser, of course they always do it again.

'She will hit the wall hard!!!!'
'I can only hope that karma kicks in and takes the gift of breath from her.'

Wistful expressions of harm to his wife that are deliberately vague about how she is going to come to be harmed.

I used to really like JD but the way he's presented through the whole court case feels really sinister. As someone mentioned upthread, his whole performance of trying to come across as funny and quirky and long-suffering through the questioning in the case that he brought himself really gives me the heebie-jeebies. I can see Amber's no saint but I think she is almost certainly the true victim here.

I think they basically all bought into the idea Depp was the charming and cheeky characters he played. They discount evidence of everything to the contrary.
His solicitor/advisor Waldeman is a well known manipulator of social media platforms - I believe that plays a huge part.
That plus massive misogynistic views held by women and men against survivors of abuse - what proof does she really have?…. types.
Heard also disliked as she is many years younger and very attractive - her star is still rising (despite Depp’s attempts to derail her) whilst Depp’s fades as drugs and alcohol catch up with his beauty and ability to carry out his roles.

Someone has put a story out that all AH twitter supporters are bots

Yes I find him extremely contrived, manipulative ugh

I don’t think that’s an accurate representation of the court of appeal decision at all - they said the new evidence was irrelevant (about the donations made by AH) and he had little chance of overturning the decision because the original judge had reasoned out his arguments for findings well.

www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Depp-approved-for-hand-down.pdf

There's no footage of him being violent to a person, merely banging a few kitchen doors. Are you honestly pretending you've never slammed a door in a temper?

And as for the endless misogyny stuff. Change the record. This kind of feminism convinces no-one. The world isn't that simple of evil men and poor defenceless women.

What about the tape played yesterday when she admits she is only continuing with her lies to save her reputation and won't retract her lies because of the damage it will do to her career?

Why would a woman who is terrified of her husband chase him around the house? Why would she berate him for trying to escape a fight? Why would a woman who has a restraining order on said violent husband go to him and get in his bed and ask him to join her there?

Why were her injuries not visible to anyone? Why was there no damage to her flat when she claimed there was?

Nothing she says ever makes any sense if you view her as the main victim of an abusive relationship

And having dealt with a violent, narcissistic grandmother I recognise all sorts of bad things from my past in Amber Heard. I know the type only too well and find it absurd that feminists automatically choose believe women and refuse to believe a woman can be violent and sadistic. The excuses people are making for her horrifies me. It's one thing to think Depp was as bad, it's totally disgusting to dismiss or diminish what she is so plainly guilty of.

There's no footage of him being violent to a person, merely banging a few kitchen doors. Are you honestly pretending you've never slammed a door in a temper?

www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/what-is-domestic-abuse/recognising-domestic-abuse/

Threats: making angry gestures; using physical size to intimidate; shouting you down; destroying your possessions; breaking things; punching walls; wielding a knife or a gun; threatening to kill or harm you and the children; threatening to kill or harm family pets; threats of suicide.

And this
Denial: saying the abuse doesn’t happen; saying you caused the abuse; saying you wind him up; saying he can’t control his anger; being publicly gentle and patient; crying and begging for forgiveness; saying it will never happen again.

I think the stuff overnight about him putting cigarettes out on her is awful.

The excuses people are making for her horrifies me. It's one thing to think Depp was as bad, it's totally disgusting to dismiss or diminish what she is so plainly guilty of.

I agree, but MN can be a bit of a strange place and a bit 'other worldly'. Sometimes it's easier for people to superglue there rose tinted glasses on and parrot the same lines than to actually, maybe, take a moment to think about whether they have been 'sold a lemon'

It does seem that the judge just believed AH account of things. There was private evidence submitted so I guess this must have been pretty damning for JD. Once he admitted to head butting her I think the judge just decided it's probable that he did the other incidents.

As far as I can understand the evidence against JD which formed the conclusion was;
He's not credible- lots of lies were brought to light.
The inflammatory and awful texts/emails about AH from someone trying to come across as a southern gentleman.
He admitted on tape he head butted her.
The references to a blood bath
She said in tapes he burnt her with a cigarette, pushed her against walls. He does not deny that but doesn't confirm it either.
The violent outbursts and not knowing what he does when drunk.

You can clearly hear that she baited him time and time again. Messes with his head, doesn't allow him to leave the situation when he wants to. Twists his words. Messed with his head. She was clearly violent too but she's not the one trying to deny she was violent or going against a newspaper. The judge is only interested in what he has done.

He says she did this. They are both saying it

I agree I think that the bating and emotional terrorism towards JD is what is driving him to keep doing this (court cases) as it was traumatising for him to cope with. He could not cope with it. He dived head first into severe addictions. I think he would have been better off coming out as wanting to repent and get help, apologise to AH but he is refusing as part of their toxic relationship he is directing all his anger (about everything) onto AH and blaming her instead of taking responsibility

I was thinking this, this is what I'm confused about ,is it well , she she is woman, so of course she is the abuse victim because that's messed up, I think being equally horrified at her abuse as well as him being abusive isn't saying AH is the vilian and JD is the innocent party. I think she could be lying about some abuse after reading the court cases I don't belive her. , her deciding to be the face of abuse victim,where she made speeches etc is awful if she was also being an abuser. This is what I hate, It was clear they were toxic together.

Amber heard has a history of being violent, to PA’s and generally very bad behaviour all round and she used to withhold medication etc whereas Johnny is messed up but doesn’t have that history I don’t believe

Johnny Depp is being sued by a location manager of a previous film for allegedly punching him twice after a drunken tirade. Depp threatened a paparazzi with a plank of wood for taking photos of his then partner Vanessa Paradis. He trashed a hotel room that he was staying in with Kate Moss. He assaulted a hotel security guard in Canada in 1989, he was arrested for arguing with a police officer about a minor ticket, there are probably more incidents lost to the mists of time. It is wrong imo to regard Depp as not violent, he seems to be unable to manage his temper when he is not sober whether that is drink, drugs or both.

If JD was some bloke in your neighbourhood with his history and behaviour no one would be defending him and romanticising his drink and drug addictions. But because he was pretty (once) and funny (reading other people’s lines) and can put on a lost boy act in court people think he’s a tragic abused hero.

If JD was some bloke in your neighbourhood with his history and behaviour no one would be defending him and romanticising his drink and drug addictions. But because he was pretty (once) and funny (reading other people’s lines) and can put on a lost boy act in court people think he’s a tragic abused hero.

If JD was some bloke in your neighbourhood with his history and behaviour no one would be defending him and romanticising his drink and drug addictions. But because he was pretty (once) and funny (reading other people’s lines) and can put on a lost boy act in court people think he’s a tragic abused hero.