Oh do piss off, Harry

[HettySunshine]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/20/prince-harry-says-queen-on-great-form-during-visit?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

The Queen has coped for most of her life without you. I don't think she needs you 'protecting her' now.

I'm usually entire ambivalent to the royals but this has really bruised my cherry!

AIBU?

Bugger me. The amount of made up bollocks that gets posted about the royal family on here is unbelievable. Everyone spouting Daily Mail sound bites as if they actually know them to be fact. The utter confidence of the ridiculous pronouncements made here, as if you’re all constitutional experts, or the closest confidantes of the dramatis personae, or members of the royal household.

The kind of hysterical, egging-each-other-on hatred for people you have never met shown here is irrational, and straight out of dystopian fiction. It’s really weird, folks. Do you all post horrible speculation and viciousness about other celebrities? Is this stuff reserved for Meghan, in particular, for some reason? Is it just the royal family which provokes such vitriol? Do you express to all and sundry your equally ill informed and forthright views about actors, tv people, or people you know from the PTA?

How does any of it actually affect you?

Honestly, if you all used this energy for something constructive, I’ll bet that you could really achieve something.

Also Harry has no horse in the race between Charles and William. Perhaps he can offer insight and support to HMQ on things which might concern her re Charles and William and the future Monarchy.
Perhaps he holds insight on the Charles William relationship that can help her.

I know the Red Tops currently have us believing that William loves Camilla and Charles but I see no sign of it. ( Same with Harry )

William may also behave very differently once he has the vast fortune of the Duchy under his control. Charles is able to agree or curtail William’s spending and movements at the moment. That all changes upon the death of HMQ.
I am unsure William particularly wants to wait until middle age to become King. With the right Press pressure will the British Public?

The reason Harry was able to meet HMQ without the world knowing was that either William or Charles did not know about the meeting before it took place.
If Harry met Charles - big if. The suggestion then is that leaks are coming from staff briefing the press on behalf of William.
If Harry met neither, the suggestion is that neither they, nor their staff, are to be trusted with information.
It is very unpleasant.
There were prior suggestions that it was palace courtiers leaking information regarding Harry - this visit shows that HMQ’s staff are discreet when she wishes them to be.
This is why the news of the visit was leaked.

When Harry wished to have a mixed role outside the Royal Rota - ‘Mexit’ - these conversations were taking place and progressing secretly until Charles insisted they were put in writing.
Once in writing they were immediately leaked to Dan Wooton.
Speeding and cementing the process and allowing the Press to shape the narrative - largely it was in favour of stolid William who could no longer hold up his feckless brother.

This lack of security of information, deliberate leaking, demonstrates an impact on Royal Protection too.

I agree givethat it is tragic to watch because it could have had such a different ending for him, with the right person he could have enjoyed the outdoor life he always craved, a life with purpose and meaning and he could have found a middle road that meant he would be truly fulfilled and contented and not living such a vacuous life with various shady characters taking advantage of him and his poor mental health. He lashes out because he is unhappy, lost and soon to be broken. I can't see how he can find any true measure of peace where is now, and it is going to get so much worse when the book comes out, and that point I am truly fearful for him if it is bad as expected. At that point I will not be worried for the royals but for him, where does this end for him when he has sold his very soul to the devil and there is no way back?

I believe the Queen knows he is in a very bad place, perhaps that is why she allowed the visit this week. Maybe she knows more than we do, and she is showing empathy and kindness by keeping the door ajar for him as any loving grandparent would do. It does not excuse the money he is making selling out his family, but this will end very badly for him - it is a reflection on him more than anything else.

Why does this all come back to the Duchess of Sussex on these Boards?
She has done nothing wrong. She really hasn’t.
The cruelty and commentary she faces is baseless

We only see small parts of their life, we don’t know them. We have a relatively small amount of footage of them in comparison to all the years they’ve been together. If someone had only a few hours of footage of you and your family over years, that you knew was being filmed, would they know you? Would they get a good insight into who you are and your relationship. Of course they wouldn’t. What percent of their life do you think you actually see?

Unless you can actually diagnose NPD please stop. It is quite wrong of you.
There is nothing to suggest this from the actions of the Duchess of Sussex.
Most of us have narcissistic tendencies, NPD is very rare.

The Duchess of Sussex? Meghan you mean. There is nothing royal about Meghan Markle.
I am not sure where to even start with the long list of cruelty and spite she has been responsible for, she is a nasty manipulative woman that has played Harry for a fool, to me it looks like he is finally waking up to it, but not before the book comes out and crushes all chance of reconciliation. Then he will have nothing. She will move on to her next pet project and he will be left dangling in the middle lost in the abyss of Hollywoods washed up and used up losers.

The strangest part of the interview for me was the stuff he said about Diana. He seemed to insinuate that Diana was now supporting him instead of William and had been for the last two years. As though Diana (in spirit) had taken sides.

Or have I misconstrued that?

Agree he doesn't seem in a good place.

Prince Harry needs protection from ongoing neo-Nazi and extremist groups who have made credible threats to the lives of his family.
Removing all security from a Royal born Prince was a punitive and possibly knee jerk measure.
Prince Harry has offered to pay for this protection which is offered for free to ex PM’s for example
I can see no issue with offering him armed protection when he and his family are in the U.K. - equally it keeps others safe from attack.

I thought he meant as they became fathers and learned how to be parents without the support of their mother.
it was weirdly put but maybe how he feels

The Duchess of Sussex married a Royal Prince. At that point she became part of the Royal family.
Although, through choice, she does not use it - her honorific is Her Royal Highness

The rest of your post is simply uncalled for and baseless personal attack of someone you don’t know.

Would you say the Duchess of Cambridge was not Royal or call her Kate Middleton? They both became part of the Royal family via their marriages. This is simply fact.

I don’t think he was saying shes picked sides. I think he was saying no more than, he believed his mum had watched over William build his family and has now done the same for him whilst he built his and dealt with the issues the last couple of years have brought.
I’m sure that’s what Diana would have done if she was here, as any mother would. When you have more than one child, there are times when you give more support and attention to one, because they need it. He’s only choosing to say that she’s done that in spirit. That sort of thinking gets many people through when they’ve lost someone, and there’s is nothing in his words to suggest he was trying to say his mum had picked a side. 🙄 It just shows some people will say literally anything to add drama.

@Swayingpalmtrees I’ve read a number of your posts on this thread and they’re more than a little unhinged: I can’t believe someone can have this level of bile and spite for someone they don’t know

@ RonaldMcDonald
“Although, through choice, she does not use it - her honorific is Her Royal Highness”
no, she and H were instructed not to use HRH ( as was Andrew )

They still remain the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, though, in the same way that Diana remained Princess of Wales after her divorce. She didn’t use HRH either.

Swayingpalmtrees I’ve read a number of your posts on this thread and they’re more than a little unhinged: I can’t believe someone can have this level of bile and spite for someone they don’t know

Yup. On many, many threads.

I don't understand why people say you can't criticise the royals on the basis we "don't know them". Of course we don't. But by that basis we shouldn't praise them either. We go off what we see and what we read about them. They cost us a hell of a lot of money, damn right we can diss them if we want.

But ‘what you see’ wouldn’t lead you to the conclusions made in the frothing posts on threads like this! You see a tiny snapshot of people, filtered through the lens of your chosen media outlet (let’s face it, mostly the Mail for this sort of thing). It’s mass hysteria whipped up by a hungry press, knowing which buttons to press, with a large amount of filling in the gaps via uninformed reckoning on the web.

Its just all seems terribly pathetic and attention seeking. Every conversation is fodder for interviews, and they seem to be in a reality TV world with camera crews following them everywhere recording their every move. Odd choice for a pair that wanted privacy.

He hardly gave a shit about her whilst he and his wife were whining about the Queen and her family to Oprah. I don’t think he’s interested in protecting her. If he was, he’d keep his mouth shut. For someone that wanted privacy he seems to struggle to stop himself talking about himself and his family.

so true

YANBU

''We have a really special relationship, we talk about things that she can’t talk about with anybody else.”

vom

God does he really feel this 'special'?

He could have visited her quietly without all the accompanying fanfare.

He did. There was no fanfare. Nobody knew until one paragraph reported the next day.

FloraPostePosts · 20/04/2022 16:10
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@ RonaldMcDonald
“Although, through choice, she does not use it - her honorific is Her Royal Highness”
no, she and H were instructed not to use HRH ( as was Andrew )
They still remain the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, though, in the same way that Diana remained Princess of Wales after her divorce. She didn’t use HRH either.

I am well aware of that . I was correcting the poster who said that it is Meghan’s choice not to use HRH . It isn’t . She, Harry and Andrew have been told not to .

You've got to hand it to Harry really. After watching him march stoically behind his mother's coffin, we'd have forgiven him almost anything. When it was reported that he had only passed his art A level because a teacher had re-done his work, we weren't bothered. When he was pictured dressing up as a nazi, the nation rolled it's eyes indulgently. When he got engaged to a beautiful actress we were thrilled for him and tbh I've yet to speak to anyone who was unhappy because she was American or mixed race. They seemed a perfect couple. Unfortunately they were. They share a victim mentality and just feed off each other's outrage any time something doesn't go their way.

It's hard to believe this was the man who was second only to the Queen Mother in popularity. How on earth did he manage to throw that away?