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Oh do piss off, Harry

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HettySunshine · 20/04/2022 11:34

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/20/prince-harry-says-queen-on-great-form-during-visit?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

The Queen has coped for most of her life without you. I don't think she needs you 'protecting her' now.

I'm usually entire ambivalent to the royals but this has really bruised my cherry!

AIBU?

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ZerotwoZero · 20/04/2022 13:08

DeeCeeCherry · 20/04/2022 12:51

The Queen is his grandmother. Nobody can change that.

The vitriol insults name-calling towards Harry are ridiculous. Embarrassing behaviour by grown jealous women.

Some of you talk as if he's a long lost lover that jilted you.

Its weird to put so much energy into angst and hatred. But because you're in an echo chamber that validates this odd behaviour, you choose not to see it.

I bet those handwringing about Harry's every utterance have sweet f.a to say about it in real life. You'd be seen as entirely strange, and likely told so.

Go to bed hug a pillow hug your man, whatever. Harry doesn't know you and you'll never meet him. All your badminded wishing ill towards a couple will neither soothe you, nor cause the marriage break-up you nastily wish for.

Let it go.

Oh please give the word salad a rest your as bad as Megan, loads of words for meaningless drivel.

H & M take every opportunity to be in the full glare of the media spot light and try to get our attention Netflix and Spotify etc. So obviously may people will have an opinion of them and saying where all jealous is some thing a child would say, with no substance to back up your wild claims.

Also claiming no one on Mums-net could possibly ever have known Harry or will never meet him, is that your own truth like Megan's or yet more spin and salad. Mums net forums are open to any one with an open internet connection world wide, think about that. 🤔

Chilledchablis1 · 20/04/2022 13:08

SleeplessInEngland
“It says a lot about the UK that people can get more angry about Harry than the Andrew.

And yes, you can be annoyed about both but it's clear who gets the most online hate, and it's incredible.”

as has been said hundreds of times , 99% of the population agrees that Andrew is an arrogant , pompous , obnoxious prat so there’s not really anything to discuss .
Harry , however , is such a divisive character. I am still waiting for one of his supporters to explain how he is protecting HM and making sure she has the right people around her from thousands of miles away .

DdraigGoch · 20/04/2022 13:10

Don't mind me, I'm just here for the deletion message...

But yes, if he wanted a normal life so much, why didn't he just retreat into obscurity like the rest of us? Works for plenty of minor royals.

Nanny0gg · 20/04/2022 13:10

slashlover · 20/04/2022 11:49

The pair can't do anything right according to Mumsnet ,it's like a red rag to a bull it's pathetic.

Yes, not visiting the Queen = selfish, visiting the Queen = attention seeking.

It wasn't exactly a lengthy visit.

I'm sorry I don't think there was any excuse for him not staying for her birthday after the Duke's funeral or not attending the memorial service.
And the implication is that her sons, daughter, elder grandson and other adult grandchildren aren't looking out for her (as much is as necessary, she's still got all her own marbles)
He's buggered off to the States like it's outer space and if he doesn't want a 'royal' job then he can just be a dutiful grandson occasionally without criticising others

Fuzzy303 · 20/04/2022 13:10

Makes good TV I suppose - isn't he currently followed around by a Netlix camera crew?

GladAllOver · 20/04/2022 13:11

I just wish the press would stop giving him space. The gutter press I can understand, but the Guardian?

PeterPomegranate · 20/04/2022 13:12

Fluffycloudland77 · 20/04/2022 12:59

I would imagine if the queen needs anything she’s got Princess Anne to help her.

who is more capable than Harry any day of the week.

Indeed.

I have defended Harry & Meghan and Meghan in particular as I do think she was treated badly by the press.

But the idea that Harry is the one who can protect the Queen is a joke. And why was he talking about it anyway - it just comes across as self promotion. He could have just said how lovely it was to see her.

SleeplessInEngland · 20/04/2022 13:14

"as has been said hundreds of times , 99% of the population agrees that Andrew is an arrogant , pompous , obnoxious prat so there’s not really anything to discuss ."

99% of people agree that Andrew is irredeemable yet turn a blind eye to the Queen giving him money for a court settlement or select him to walk her down the aisle at Philip's memorial. Because nothing the Queen ever does is wrong.

That's what gets me about the Harry two minute hate threads - they never have the guts to just question the whole insidious operation.

slashlover · 20/04/2022 13:22

Divebar2021 · 20/04/2022 11:50

It was definitely a WTF moment… the Queen has been a grown up for a long time. She has her own experienced Household, her own protection team and her own adult children who see her regularly. It was fine for PH to pop and see her on the way to the Invictus Games that’s a nice normal thing to do. The Invictus Games are a positive achievement he didn’t need to invent another role for himself as “protector”.

Yet many, many posts treat Harry as if he's not a grown up and has been manipulated by the evil Meghan.

Blossomtoes · 20/04/2022 13:25

SleeplessInEngland · 20/04/2022 13:14

"as has been said hundreds of times , 99% of the population agrees that Andrew is an arrogant , pompous , obnoxious prat so there’s not really anything to discuss ."

99% of people agree that Andrew is irredeemable yet turn a blind eye to the Queen giving him money for a court settlement or select him to walk her down the aisle at Philip's memorial. Because nothing the Queen ever does is wrong.

That's what gets me about the Harry two minute hate threads - they never have the guts to just question the whole insidious operation.

It’s not a question of turning a blind eye, how can anyone influence the Queen’s behaviour? I’d lay money the two future kings are as irritated by the way she treats Andrew as most of us are but even they don’t seem to be able to prevent it.

PlasticineMeg · 20/04/2022 13:26

Ugh.

I find it very telling that for 2 people who have absolutely trashed their family (Charles, William, Kate and Alleger Racist et al) and also trashed the whole onsititution and everything it stands for, that they speak so highly of the head of that institution who enables and orchestrates everything that supposedly upsets them.

it’s almost like they know even the staunchest of republicans and Americans love the queen and a bad word said against her would be a very bad move indeed. It’s almost like it’s all a PR stunt 🧐

SleeplessInEngland · 20/04/2022 13:26

"It’s not a question of turning a blind eye, how can anyone influence the Queen’s behaviour? I’d lay money the two future kings are as irritated by the way she treats Andrew as most of us are but even they don’t seem to be able to prevent it."

Who said anything about influence? I'm just questioning the general, and apparently unbreakable, reverence.

Wnkingawalrus · 20/04/2022 13:28

The point is he didn’t really need to say anything. He could have just said how lovely it was to see his Gran, and see for himself how she is doing given she’s not been too well of late. There was absolutely no need to mention making sure she is protected (from what?!) or having the right people around her.

Badger1970 · 20/04/2022 13:28

I think we're seeing the real Harry now. An angry petulant delusional and entitled man who thinks the world owes him a living just for his birthright. If anything is clear, it's how highly "managed" he was by the Firm.

HM should have removed titles and funding from the word go. Now they get to pay the price because every time Harry hears something he doesn't like, he goes on the defensive with US TV. He's frankly becoming very tiresome.

Blossomtoes · 20/04/2022 13:29

SleeplessInEngland · 20/04/2022 13:26

"It’s not a question of turning a blind eye, how can anyone influence the Queen’s behaviour? I’d lay money the two future kings are as irritated by the way she treats Andrew as most of us are but even they don’t seem to be able to prevent it."

Who said anything about influence? I'm just questioning the general, and apparently unbreakable, reverence.

There’s not much reverence. A quick perusal of the Royal Family threads will provide you with more vitriol than you could hope for in your wildest dreams.

MiniCooperLover · 20/04/2022 13:30

I'd find it very amusing if one day there were an Eastenders style bash up ...

'She's my grandmother too you know' yelled Harry ..
'No she's not' smirked Charles looking at Harry's fast receding red hair ...

PlasticineMeg · 20/04/2022 13:32

slashlover · 20/04/2022 11:49

The pair can't do anything right according to Mumsnet ,it's like a red rag to a bull it's pathetic.

Yes, not visiting the Queen = selfish, visiting the Queen = attention seeking.

It’s not the visiting that is making people eye roll, it’s acting like he’s doing such a virtuous job ‘protecting’ her after he’s spent 2 years slagging her family off to the whole world when her husband was dying.

VeganGod · 20/04/2022 13:32

The queen has a shedload of advisors and at least two further adults in line to the throne who are more than capable of protecting if needed. This looks like interference to me.

Maybe she’s not happy with what they call protection though. Maybe she is pushed into things she doesn’t want to do and controlled and has no choice. We don’t know. I think it’s likely. I also think that a woman, even the Queen would be more vulnerable to others as she ages, during periods of isolation (covid) and afternoon losing her husband, even one that wasn’t exactly a good one in many ways.

Theres always the assumption on these threads that the Queen doesn’t like what Harry has done with no real evidence of that. Just because he’s not with her a lot now doesn’t mean that he isn’t trying to protect her from people. The same as just because people are with her, it doesn’t mean they are looking out for her. Protection isn’t always given by those physically closest to you unfortunately.

There will be so much going on in the Royal family that we aren’t aware of. I don’t think Harry is the enemy here and I think most of us would be appalled if we knew the details of many things that gave happened over the years. No doubt accepting it would be too hard for many so instead they’ll just say anyone that reveals any of it is lying and turn them into a hate figure as we’ve seen with Harry.

The Queen certainly made bad decisions lately, regarding Andrew. Someone failed to protect her there.

Shes too bloody old for any of it. She’s likely not even aware of much of it and spends most of her time sleeping.

SalsaLove · 20/04/2022 13:32

PinkTonic · 20/04/2022 12:53

He could have protected his grandmother by not washing the family’s dirty linen in public and not writing a book. Stupid arrogant little prick.

His grandmother could have protected him by reigning in the gutter press but she didn’t and neither did Charles.

BlackberrySky · 20/04/2022 13:33

Harry is so tedious. I do wish he'd go away, instead of this in-out hokey kokey.

Blossomtoes · 20/04/2022 13:35

SalsaLove · 20/04/2022 13:32

His grandmother could have protected him by reigning in the gutter press but she didn’t and neither did Charles.

How could she have reined in the press? She has no authority over the media - thankfully, it would be a very bad day for democracy if she had.

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 20/04/2022 13:40

I had no strong feelings either way for Harry and his wife before they quit and moved abroad. I wished them well. But since then, fucking hell, what a tin eared, entitled knobber. I've never known anyone so determined to live a normal, private life put so much effort into never being out of the bloody limelight.

Pottedpalm · 20/04/2022 13:42

He’s a twit.
and why did Meghan speak at the opening of the games? Is she a patron?
Can’t bear to listen to Harry spouting off about ‘your truth’.

MiniCooperLover · 20/04/2022 13:43

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 20/04/2022 13:40

I had no strong feelings either way for Harry and his wife before they quit and moved abroad. I wished them well. But since then, fucking hell, what a tin eared, entitled knobber. I've never known anyone so determined to live a normal, private life put so much effort into never being out of the bloody limelight.

I agree ...

The petulance since realising that 'being out of the limelight' meant 'lose all the benefit of the royal family' too has been quite bad I think. They must have some level of awareness of how they've come across surely?

Firesidefox · 20/04/2022 13:45

YANBU

He's a terrible, selfish, entitled waste of space with very little brain. What he's done to his grandmother is unforgiveable.

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