Oh do piss off, Harry

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/20/prince-harry-says-queen-on-great-form-during-visit?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

The Queen has coped for most of her life without you. I don't think she needs you 'protecting her' now.

I'm usually entire ambivalent to the royals but this has really bruised my cherry!

AIBU?

*I was really pleased he visited the Queen, I've said it before on another thread. As a gran myself I'd hate it if I didn't see my GC for over a year.

My heart sank this morning when I heard he'd been talking about her, about protecting her. I wish he'd just said "It was great to see her." No need for the rest of it.

As much as I'd hate not to see my GC I'd hate them to go off saying to people I need protecting.

So nothing about them being selfish or hating them or anything, just wish they could respect other people's privacy.*

ancientgran. I’m with you on this.

“it was wonderful to see her” would have done just fine.

I think the decision making of the Royal family has been questionable of late.
It has to do with the movement of the Queen’s advisers and no one now being there who is able to properly understand or when pushed to say no and try to steer. It also has to do with KP and CH fighting for press cycles.
From the difficulties with the Sussexes onward the RF decision making has been poorly thought through.

Removing the Sussexes police protection looks churlish and has been shortsighted. If other European countries grant it to them as they have for Invictus, they with there children will go elsewhere and will be a huge draw.

The entire Andrew situation was a mess. He should never have been allowed to sit down with Emily Mathis. He should have settled out of court immediately with VG. Any legal attempts to rubbish her or say he was covered in a prior settlement looked like what they were.

Then Andrew needed money to pay off VG and the Queen plus Charles paid it. In return for the ‘my greatest wish is to see Queen Camilla’ from the Queen. ( no probs with this she is married to the POW etc but many will have strong feelings regarding Queen Camilla including the v religious as she is a divorcee and Catholic)

Then we had the hideous colonial rerun tour of the Caribbean - The Cambridges should have had a wonderful time and it was a very uncomfortable watch. The photo ops and planning were poor and it did them no favours

Finally Andrew accompanying and publicly walking the Queen up the aisle to the memorial service

All of these areas needed better advice.

Camilla’s not Catholic. 🤷‍♀️

He hasn’t done anything ‘to’ her. He’s talked about his experience as a member of the RF and explained why he ‘stepped back’. He’s been very clear that his grandmother was always supportive and that thinks a lot of her. Speaking of his treatment at the hands of other members of the family and the press isn’t doing anything ‘to’ his grandmother. Obviously some things we do may have an impact on others indirectly, that’s not a reason for not doing them,

Maybe she’s not happy with what they call protection though. Maybe she is pushed into things she doesn’t want to do and controlled and has no choice. We don’t know. I think it’s likely. I also think that a woman, even the Queen would be more vulnerable to others as she ages, during periods of isolation (covid) and afternoon losing her husband, even one that wasn’t exactly a good one in many ways.

I dare say Anne would have her mums best interests at heart and wouldn’t be backwards about coming forward. I would also think she is looking out for her mum on a daily basis at this point with an active presence. I really don’t think Harry needs to swoop in, push her aside and look after Gran for a few hours before fucking off likely not be seen again for a year, then proclaim himself a saviour to the waiting reporters he had organised.

I dare say Anne would have her mums best interests at heart and wouldn’t be backwards about coming forward. I would also think she is looking out for her mum on a daily basis at this point with an active presence. I really don’t think Harry needs to swoop in, push her aside and look after Gran for a few hours before fucking off likely not be seen again for a year, then proclaim himself a saviour to the waiting reporters he had organised.

We don’t know whether the Queen is happy with Anne’s ‘protection’. We don’t know how much Anne would be listened to, even if the Queen was happy for Anne to look out for her. We don’t know how much Harry has been involved from afar. Again, it is not always those closest to us physically that provide protection or have our best interests at heart.

I went through a difficult times about 10 years ago. My greatest protector and supporter, other than my partner that I lived with, was a friend thousands of miles from me that I hadn’t seen for 18 months. Others who lived only a few miles away and came regularly to tell me what I should do, really we’re not helpful. They were not kind, didn’t listen and had their own agendas.

Nond of us know what is going on but many get carried away pretending they do and being offended on the Queens behalf. It’s ridiculous. Most of their views are gained from questionable press reports or their own prejudices.

You are not wrong OP. This guy really has ideas above his station. He doesn’t even have an official role in the institution, yet he comes with this sort of drivel - just to get more publicity. He’s a soap opera in himself. What a joke.

Ffs, you really think Anne doesn’t have her mom’s best interests at heart but the Queen has Harry on speed dial as her saviour from afar?

I think he’s an attention-seeking prat, but my first reaction was; what is he so worried about? All he seems to talk about is ‘security ‘ and ‘protection’.
Whom does he feel he needs protecting from?

I love the irony of posting about his need for attention on a thread that's giving him exactly that!

Should be a meme: "if you visited your grandmother and didn't post it on Instagram, did you even go?"

“Badger1970 · 20/04/2022 13:28
I think we're seeing the real Harry now. An angry petulant delusional and entitled man who thinks the world owes him a living just for his birthright. If anything is clear, it's how highly "managed" he was by the Firm..”

Unfortunately, I agree. I think he might have always been like this and that’s his personality but he was protected so much by ‘the firm’ that this is a side to him no one saw in public.

I feel sorry for his dad, which is not something I ever expected to feel. Perhaps it’s all a cunning plan to improve Charles’ popularity ratings.

He was critical of how his father was brought up so I that is criticising his grandmother and grandfather and nothing to do with him as he wasn't around at the time. I think it is likely that she was hurt by that.

I don’t imagine he reads MN. 😉

Ffs, you really think Anne doesn’t have her mom’s best interests at heart but the Queen has Harry on speed dial as her saviour from afar?

Why are you swearing at me?

I haven't said Anne doesn’t have her best interests at heart or that Harry does. I’m saying we have no idea and we are unlikely to ever know. All of these people have been brought up to think they are elite, their egos are huge, they think they should be untouchable and will all have their own lives and agendas. After what Andrew was involved in, various rumours and behaviours about many other Royals, I wouldn’t presume any of them are decent or have anything but their own interests at heart.

I have only watched the trailer but am wondering if H talked at any length about Invictus ? After all that’s why he is in Europe !

@slashlover can he not just come and go in private without the song and dance? He didn’t need to do an interview with the USA tv but I suppose it will help promote the brand. The queen was being protected long before he was born as was his great grand parents during the war.

He was critical of how his father was brought up so I that is criticising his grandmother and grandfather and nothing to do with him as he wasn't around at the time. I think it is likely that she was hurt by that.

It has everything to do with him if he feels it affected the way he was in turn parented by Charles. And that it will affect how he will parent his own children. We know that our experiences as children have so much of an impact on us as adults and the relationships we have. He talked about breaking the cycle. Having had an abusive childhood and my own and a father that was himself abused as a child, that should be talked about. He is allowed to talk about things that are relevant to his life, that link to his own mental health. I’m quite uncomfortable with people being told they should be quiet about things like that.

YANBU

Every time either one opens their mouth, they kiss goodbye to even more lucrative deals as companies and celebrities look on aghast.
I say keep going Harry with the gaffes and the missteps, the house downsizing will continue until you start to gain even a mediocre of awareness and some grasp of their collective privilege and entitlement.

And the only thing Harry really needs protecting from is his wife's manipulative Narc personality. No wonder he feels vulnerable.

His grandmother could have protected him by reigning in the gutter press but she didn’t and neither did Charles.

She's reigning the country, she doesn't need to do it in the gutter press too

Harry is such a drip, but I guess it makes it easy to manipulate him. Meghan is extremely attractive but has all the making of a narcissist IMO, wants her life to look picture perfect while causing utter destruction around her. Always the victim, never responsible for anything, will tell any lies to keep looking good and making it sound like it's others that are treating her badly.

Harry suggesting he is the person to protect the Queen just shows what an arrogant arse he is. I just wish they'd stay in the States and keep quiet - I thought that was what they wanted. But no, media whores the pair of them.

I think we're seeing the real Harry now. An angry petulant delusional and entitled man who thinks the world owes him a living just for his birthright. If anything is clear, it's how highly "managed" he was by the Firm

I've often wondered the same and have often found it surprising when people insist how happy H&M are with their new life

Obviously I'm not there and don't know them, but IME - and in Harry's case in particular - this really isn't how happy people conduct themselves

I’ve gone from thinking he’s a spoilt and petulant brat, to a lost soul, to a fool, to a vulnerable sap ripe for the picking, to an arrogant tool whose base level is beyond any normal reckoning….to mild horror at the disaster unfolding in front of us all. He’s a lost soul who needs handling, but he’s being used by everyone. Nobody in his life can deal with him without bigger thing to consider first - his dad who has to be king first, his brother who has to also put kingship first, his wife who puts herself first, the BRF machinery that puts the institution first. Friends are but friends, and all his advisers are paid. He’s digging his own grave and it’s pretty tragic watching him unravel, thinking he’s in control and determining his destiny, when it seems clear as day he hasn’t a clue. However awful it was for him inside the BRF, it’ll be much much harder outside. He is on troubled, troubled man.