Oh do piss off, Harry

[HettySunshine]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/20/prince-harry-says-queen-on-great-form-during-visit?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

The Queen has coped for most of her life without you. I don't think she needs you 'protecting her' now.

I'm usually entire ambivalent to the royals but this has really bruised my cherry!

AIBU?

People do seem to get over invested over people who live in a completely different world to us mere mortals. The royals live lives of extreme wealth and privilege. Why should we care about any of them. I'm sure they don't care about us, even if they knew us.

If you use Netflix or Spotify (among others) then you are indirectly paying their way because they have merched themselves to the maximum and named their inflated price upon the basis of what they have argued that their brand is worth in relation to YOUR interest in them. Just like any other brand, they positively deserve to be scrutinized.

Interesting that they never seem to give interviews to anyone who challenges their narrative ... wonder if Netflix will eventually try to insist that they do. Because that would really be a money spinner

Utterly sick to the back teeth of Harry whining that his diamond cod-piece is too tight.

😂

I do think it's impressive that someone who has white privilege, rich privilege, titled privilege, male privilege and celebrity privilege has managed to make himself appear as a marginalised victim.

Agree with the above, maybe he is brighter than we think.

Yes, threats of suicide can be used and are seen in relationships where there is coercive control and patterns of domestic violence and abuse.
Suggesting that their relationship involves The Duchess of Sussex coercively controlling Prince Harry by threatening suicide, is quite a reach.

On each occasion where someone states they feel like ending their life for one of many reasons, are you suggesting our thinking should first be drawn toward - oooo could this be a manipulation as part of coercive control?

I think Women’s Aid, Refuge and every other mental health charity and practitioners would suggest this is really unhelpful.

I think you are suggesting this is in order to make people on this board belittling and questioning the Duchess’s suicidality with the use of quotations acceptable, yet it is far from helpful.

Querying the Duchess’s suicidality at all, impacts on many other people who have faced suicidal ideation, attempted suicide or lived with intrusive thinking around suicide. Often they face nasty commentary about attention seeking, not making a ‘real’ attempt etc. This ruins lives and prevents people asking for help.

Even in the pursuit of whatever fact free gutter press regurgitation the worst offenders on here use, this dangerous action of querying a person’s feelings of suicide seems a little more than a little off.
It should be against @mumsnet guidelines.

This is nonsense.

Anyone who feels suicidal can and should speak to those around them who love them and can form a safety net of support. They should not feel the burden of worrying about who they tell. They simply must reach out and get the care they need. The person offering it will place boundaries in place for this own safety.
They should also seek medical support and ideally therapy.

Anyone whose partner is experiencing feelings of suicidality is in a horribly difficult situation to deal with. Often they support their partner through their most difficult times. They can feel on edge 100% of the time. It is terribly hard to witness.
Suggesting that the Duchess’s feelings of suicidality are coercive in nature, is utterly baseless.

Suggesting this may be triggering for Prince Harry is spot on. He has lost a woman he loves in a situation that could have been prevented. To lose another one in a preventable way or to face the fears of losing another one to suicide due to lack of support may have brought all manner of thoughts, feelings or behaviours to the fore in Prince Harry.
I think he has clearly stated something similar.

This should make you feel empathy for this couple who are after all people, parents of small children.
The spiteful way in which things are written here is horrendous

That’s a lot of privilege. I hadn’t realised how many ways he is privileged! I would like to add royal privilege. It’s different from titled privilege.

I suspect that the "concern" allegedly expressed about the baby's skin colour might well have been in the context of the media's coverage of it, and that the "concern" was whether Harry was ready for how it might be portrayed.
If Harry relayed this to Meghan without laying out the context of the conversation, then yes, I can see how Meghan would have been upset by it. But it might well have been coming from a different place than racism.

Suicidality?

Is this a word? Genuine question.

This is not about supporting Harry at all. I mean my position. Because frankly I think once Liz pops it they all need to update their CVs and I'm not even necessarily in support of Meghan - she said it herself! Had they been open and welcoming to her she too would have been happy to basically spend her life cutting ribbons and smiling at babies.

This is about the establishment and their antimony towards anyone they don't see fit be part of it. That it was actually Kate who made her cry and the papers ren with 'evil Meg makes Kate cry' and not one of them said a single word about it!

The royals do have control. Do you think an entire Prince - the Queen's actual son would have paid someone he claims to have never met £12million just to get her to go away???? If there was a grain of doubt the Royals have the resources and power to take her to court and ridicule the whole thing. Do you really think they have no power??

The point is about the establishment and the way they've made so many people believe we are eachother's enemies and anyone they don't deem fit to sit in that circle is out. There's a reason why you never see Black tories being disgraced in the same manner you see Diane Abbott and co being disgraced by not only their peers but by just about everyone else.

No it’s not.

I totally agree that if is not for anyone on this thread to state whether anyone else is suicidal or not. We simply do not know. We do know that the Duchess of Sussex said she felt suicidal. That is all we know. Anything on top of that from the believers or disbelievers is opinion and not knowledge or fact.

Actually it is. Suicidality is used as a term when determining the risk of someone actually taking their life.

suicide = the act of taking one’s own life
suicidal ideation = having distressing, intrusive and recurring thoughts about taking ones own life, but without having plans or desire to follow through with the act itself.
suicidality = the risk factor of someone attempting to take their life, when considering all such things as past history, mental illness, protective factors etc

examples:

“study into the risk markers of suicidality in adults with xyz”

“Future suicidality is greatly increased in those with a past history of severe mental illness”

It’s not a commonly used term outside of clinical and research fields but it is a legitimate term.

Should be a meme: "if you visited your grandmother and didn't post it on Instagram, did you even go?"

Unless you went three days before you went.

You are right. My assumption was that she had PND and felt unsuported. Having been through that myself I felt sorry for her. Those feelings are horrible and it is not exactly unusual for the 'nearest and dearest'(!) to be completely bloody useless.

What utter bloody tosh.

@Rinoachicken you are correct. Thanks.

Apologies to @ajandjjmum and @LittleBearPad for using a term you were not familiar with. I use it all the time, sadly daily and as with a lot of ‘work language’ forget how weird it sounds or may sound to others

Great post @VeganGod
I think perhaps HMQ rather enjoys Prince Harry or maybe sees a little Prince Philip in him - we will never know
She could also need a lot more rest than previously.

All her guidance to Prince Andrew must have been ignored and she was left in a very vulnerable position in the Press and in the eyes of survivors of sexual trauma.
Bankrolling P Andrew’s settlement payment to Virginia Guiffre and then having him accompany her to Prince Phillip’s memorial was incredibly poor form and her advisors dropped the ball terribly.

What other member of the Senior Royal Family would have been caught anywhere near Prince Andrew publicly?

The crazy positioning of Senior Royal Households as the POW and DoC move closer to becoming King have not focussed on much other than their myopic gaze toward the Crown.
Perhaps Prince Harry could highlight that it is only HMQ that has kept the British Monarchy in place and so perhaps supporting her better, would allow her to go toward an untarnished demise. This advice might be prudent for those jostling below her in an increasingly anti Royal U.K. .

Diamond cod piece !! grin]

Classic

I hope you’re doing ok now. I don’t know for sure (as I was the baby) but I suspect my Mum would have been diagnosed with PND nowadays. Instead she was told by doctor to be grateful her baby had lived as the woman in the room next door wasn’t so lucky. My poor Mum’s mental health issues deteriorated from there, because she didn’t get help until my Dad finally gave up on the NHS - who told him there was nothing wrong with Mum and they clearly just had marriage issues - and remortgaged the house to be able to send her privately when I was 10 - my poor Mum, she was so lucky to have my Dad ). Thankfully things have moved on since the 80s but I totally feel for anyone who’s had PND - often such a scary and lonely time for women.

@Arucanafeather
I'm sorry for your mum, it must have been hard for the whole family 💐

So not only did Harry attend the Invictus games with M and pretty much spent the entire time making it about themselves rather than injured soldiers.

Meghan had her own section reading to kids her BENCH BOOK for the cameras.
Harry now has given a very public American TV INTERVIEW about HIMSELF and his family.
Then announces the next games are going to be "reconciliation with indigenous communities' with a perfect timing straight after W&K Caribbean last month tour, surprise surprise.
Brough NETFLIX cameras along to promote himself and Megan.
But also not it turns out the nights out in the pub he has been wearing an ARCHWEL BASEBALL CAP knowing all the cameras would be there to promote their self funding business who hands a fraction of the proceeds to charity.

Harry and Megan are are a disgrace the Invictus games now are just a vehicle to sell themselves.

Your poor mother, I am glad your DF got her the help she needed. I am fine thank you, it was the late 80's/early 90, from the birth of DC2 to DC3 being 2, so five years. Luckily I unloaded onto my GP who could not have been kinder and got me the help I needed.