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Oh do piss off, Harry

543 replies

HettySunshine · 20/04/2022 11:34

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/20/prince-harry-says-queen-on-great-form-during-visit?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

The Queen has coped for most of her life without you. I don't think she needs you 'protecting her' now.

I'm usually entire ambivalent to the royals but this has really bruised my cherry!

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VeganGod · 21/04/2022 21:14
  • or be racist
Blossomtoes · 21/04/2022 21:14

Maybe it’s karma @VeganGod.

Blossomtoes · 21/04/2022 21:15

If it happened at all.

RonaldMcDonald · 21/04/2022 21:16

VladmirsPoutine · 21/04/2022 20:53

Thank goodness there isn't a nonce running around in the royal family. There's only a half black woman who appears to not know her station being protected by her 'controlled' husband - what a wench!

Perfect commentary

MissPolliezDolly · 21/04/2022 21:20

I’m basing it on a man that married a black woman who was going to have mixed race children saying it happened. I don’t believe they would lie about racist comments

It does actually happen and you may not want to believe this but when it does happen it’s usually quite easy to spot.

VeganGod · 21/04/2022 21:20

IcedPurple · 21/04/2022 21:03

I believe there were various conversations as Meghan said but one in particular that Harry was very offended by.

So 'offended' that he didn't bother to tell his wife about it for months if not years?

I can’t imagine it’s a conversation you would want to have with the person you loved. It’s embarrassing and shameful to have family that think like that and no doubt he’d know she would probably be more hurt than he was. I think it would be a really difficult conversation.

100problems · 21/04/2022 21:22

The problem with needing publicity, which H&M do regardless of protestations to the contrary, is that you have to feed the beast.

If there's surely one painful lesson Harry can learn from his mother is that that beast simply cannot be controlled. Your words live forever.

If he had just done the IG and gone home, giving a polite and only talking about IG to camera interview, he'd have nailed it.

Instead, just like the silly post SA interview Megan gave, they turned a potential success into a shit show.

VeganGod · 21/04/2022 21:23

Blossomtoes · 21/04/2022 21:14

Maybe it’s karma @VeganGod.

Maybe. It’s a shame it was involving Meghan and Archie though and not just Harry.

IcedPurple · 21/04/2022 21:25

I can’t imagine it’s a conversation you would want to have with the person you loved. It’s embarrassing and shameful to have family that think like that and no doubt he’d know she would probably be more hurt than he was. I think it would be a really difficult conversation.

Right.

So he was so 'offended and hurt' by the alleged 'comment' that he said nothing at the time? Either to the alleged 'racist royal' or to his soon to be wife? Because it would be a 'difficult conversation'?

Yet he thought the perfect time for that 'difficult conversation' which would 'hurt' her was when she was pregnant? When she was supposedly suffering from serious mental health issues?

The mental gymnastics on these threads are something else.

doggiescats · 21/04/2022 21:26

LetitiaLeghorn · 21/04/2022 21:13

Look you lot, cut Harry some slack. He's got a lot on his plate worrying that thinking about a better world is going to give him burnout. How the poor guy struggles getting from his multi million pound house to a luxury jet in his chauffeured limo whilst pondering how to deal with inequality and global warming is an example to us all.
He's doing a lot of worrying and thinking and wondering and pondering. His brain is hurting. And yet he still makes time to sell a bit of his granny on the telly. So let's give him some respect.

agree with every word here!

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 21/04/2022 21:29

Blossomtoes · 21/04/2022 19:17

Just because someone else in the family made a racist comment, doesn’t mean the Queen is racist. Does that really need explaining?

Just because someone made a racist comment it doesn’t mean the whole family is either. I’m not convinced about that anyway - families conjecture about all sorts of aspects of an unborn baby’s appearance. It’s like speculating whether it would have red hair.

My colleague had a baby 13 months ago. She's a ginger, pale, freckled Mancunian. Her husband has a white British father and his black mum is from Ghana. They're almost equivalent to Harry and Meghan in that respect. There was lots of speculation as to whether their new baby boy would be as dark as his 2 year old sister or as pasty as his mum. That wasn't seen as racist or unpleasant in their family.

On the televised circus Oprah show, there was some indication as I remember that a similar conversation took place amongst the Windsors but Harry or Meghan, can't remember who, indicated that it was said out of concern, as if it would be a problem. John Barnes had this to say:

‘If you listen to what Meghan says, it’s not about them [the unnamed royal] worrying if the baby is dark or not, it’s them worrying about how the public are going to view that.

‘Because they know if the baby is too dark, the public will not view the baby as positively. They’re being realistic. ‘Let’s not pretend the public won’t care whether it’s a blond-haired blue-eyed baby or jet black, because they will.’
Mr Barnes added the ‘problem’ now is Meghan critics are labelled as ‘racist’, even when they are questioning her ‘character as a human being’.

It seems that if anyone criticises Meghan as an individual, her character, as John Barnes said, this is (hate to use a cliche) weaponised as racism.

VeganGod · 21/04/2022 21:29

IcedPurple · 21/04/2022 21:25

I can’t imagine it’s a conversation you would want to have with the person you loved. It’s embarrassing and shameful to have family that think like that and no doubt he’d know she would probably be more hurt than he was. I think it would be a really difficult conversation.

Right.

So he was so 'offended and hurt' by the alleged 'comment' that he said nothing at the time? Either to the alleged 'racist royal' or to his soon to be wife? Because it would be a 'difficult conversation'?

Yet he thought the perfect time for that 'difficult conversation' which would 'hurt' her was when she was pregnant? When she was supposedly suffering from serious mental health issues?

The mental gymnastics on these threads are something else.

You don’t believe them, I do. 👍

IcedPurple · 21/04/2022 21:33

You don’t believe them, I do.

Maybe the 'racist comment' was made 3 days before the wedding? With the Archbishop of Canterbury in attendance?

VeganGod · 21/04/2022 21:37

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 21/04/2022 21:29

My colleague had a baby 13 months ago. She's a ginger, pale, freckled Mancunian. Her husband has a white British father and his black mum is from Ghana. They're almost equivalent to Harry and Meghan in that respect. There was lots of speculation as to whether their new baby boy would be as dark as his 2 year old sister or as pasty as his mum. That wasn't seen as racist or unpleasant in their family.

On the televised circus Oprah show, there was some indication as I remember that a similar conversation took place amongst the Windsors but Harry or Meghan, can't remember who, indicated that it was said out of concern, as if it would be a problem. John Barnes had this to say:

‘If you listen to what Meghan says, it’s not about them [the unnamed royal] worrying if the baby is dark or not, it’s them worrying about how the public are going to view that.

‘Because they know if the baby is too dark, the public will not view the baby as positively. They’re being realistic. ‘Let’s not pretend the public won’t care whether it’s a blond-haired blue-eyed baby or jet black, because they will.’
Mr Barnes added the ‘problem’ now is Meghan critics are labelled as ‘racist’, even when they are questioning her ‘character as a human being’.

It seems that if anyone criticises Meghan as an individual, her character, as John Barnes said, this is (hate to use a cliche) weaponised as racism.

I have no issue with anyone criticising Meghan. I don’t believe everyone that doesn’t like her is racist. There’s a black singer I can’t stand, nothing to do with his colour, it’s because he’s a cunt that got away with a terrible crime.

But I believe expressing ‘concern’ over the colour of a child’s skin is racist. Being worried what the public might think isn’t ok, anyone that thinks anything other than ‘aw, lovely baby’ regardless of skin colour really shouldn’t be prioritised or thought of as important. If people don’t like it, fuck them, racist cunts.

Blossomtoes · 21/04/2022 21:38

IcedPurple · 21/04/2022 21:33

You don’t believe them, I do.

Maybe the 'racist comment' was made 3 days before the wedding? With the Archbishop of Canterbury in attendance?

Which wedding?

VeganGod · 21/04/2022 21:39

IcedPurple · 21/04/2022 21:33

You don’t believe them, I do.

Maybe the 'racist comment' was made 3 days before the wedding? With the Archbishop of Canterbury in attendance?

You don’t like them, I get it. Get a cuppa and chill.

x2boys · 21/04/2022 21:43

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 21/04/2022 21:29

My colleague had a baby 13 months ago. She's a ginger, pale, freckled Mancunian. Her husband has a white British father and his black mum is from Ghana. They're almost equivalent to Harry and Meghan in that respect. There was lots of speculation as to whether their new baby boy would be as dark as his 2 year old sister or as pasty as his mum. That wasn't seen as racist or unpleasant in their family.

On the televised circus Oprah show, there was some indication as I remember that a similar conversation took place amongst the Windsors but Harry or Meghan, can't remember who, indicated that it was said out of concern, as if it would be a problem. John Barnes had this to say:

‘If you listen to what Meghan says, it’s not about them [the unnamed royal] worrying if the baby is dark or not, it’s them worrying about how the public are going to view that.

‘Because they know if the baby is too dark, the public will not view the baby as positively. They’re being realistic. ‘Let’s not pretend the public won’t care whether it’s a blond-haired blue-eyed baby or jet black, because they will.’
Mr Barnes added the ‘problem’ now is Meghan critics are labelled as ‘racist’, even when they are questioning her ‘character as a human being’.

It seems that if anyone criticises Meghan as an individual, her character, as John Barnes said, this is (hate to use a cliche) weaponised as racism.

Speculation on what characteristics a child will inherit from their parents,be that skin colour ,eye colour etc is one thing , concerns about how dark a babies skin might be is quite another

IcedPurple · 21/04/2022 21:44

You don’t like them, I get it. Get a cuppa and chill.

Quite a childish response.

I and others here are pointing out multiple inconsistencies in their story, ones which you prefer to ignore as they don't fit the neat little tale you have in your head.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 21/04/2022 21:46

x2boys · 21/04/2022 21:43

Speculation on what characteristics a child will inherit from their parents,be that skin colour ,eye colour etc is one thing , concerns about how dark a babies skin might be is quite another

The bit I have quoted from John Barnes makes that clear.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 21/04/2022 21:54

On the whole theme, the "Sussex Squaddies" posting on Twitter are absolutely deranged. I only became aware of it this weekend. I really can't get my head around why people want to spend their life on social media fawning over a couple they don't, and never will, know and going on and on and on about racism the whole time. It's boring, frightening, pointless and completely bizarre. It's a terrifying Stepford-ish cult.

WinnieTheW0rm · 21/04/2022 21:55

Speculation on what characteristics a child will inherit from their parents, be that skin colour ,eye colour etc is one thing , concerns about how dark a babies skin might be is quite another

The difference between speculation and concerns might be the crux of how recollections varied

Bluerose77 · 21/04/2022 21:57

Just because someone else in the family made a racist comment, doesn’t mean the Queen is racist. Does that really need explaining

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/02/buckingham-palace-banned-ethnic-minorities-from-office-roles-papers-reveal

VeganGod · 21/04/2022 21:58

I wasn’t really sure what else to say. You clearly have real issues with this couple. I don’t. I also don’t have real issues with any of the Royals other then Andrew and the racist one who shall not be named. I never thought much of the person that it’s rumoured to be though.

I’m going back to real life now, where hardly anyone talks about the Royal Family. 👑😂 Mumsnet is very different to real life isn’t it? I tell my partner about threads on here and he’s like wtf? Why do you get involved in this shit? I have no answer for him. 😂

Night all.

mpsw · 21/04/2022 22:05

Bluerose77 · 21/04/2022 21:57

Just because someone else in the family made a racist comment, doesn’t mean the Queen is racist. Does that really need explaining

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/02/buckingham-palace-banned-ethnic-minorities-from-office-roles-papers-reveal

That link refers to the situation in the late 1960s (after the 1965 Act, but before the 1976 one)

If you read down the article, they state that the exemption the Crown sought was in line with the one for the Foreign Office (and indeed for all posts which require the higher levels of government vetting) that the person needs to have been resident in UK for 5 years before being eligible for appointment.

That proviso needed exempting, because it of its potential for indirect discrimination. It was however granted, and remains on force for all vetted posts, on national security grounds.

VladmirsPoutine · 21/04/2022 22:06

If Harry had married a Kate 2.0 none of this would be happening. There might have been some speculation of her past much like Kate experienced but there wouldn't be this much vitriol at this point in their marriage and 2 kids in. Harry's only crime and I genuinely mean this is that he married someone completely beyond everyone's expectations. That she's half black and a divorcee from America is akin to telling the English that she's from Saturn with 4 legs, a hammer for an arm and only eats steel car rims.

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