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It’s a boundary one!

170 replies

Toomuchtooyoung01 · 19/04/2022 20:34

Moved house 3 months ago. Next door neighbours seem fine, however about a month ago the lady collared me as I was setting off on the school run to ask about popping into the front garden to access something. I had my 2yr old kicking off as standard and was quite distracted so (also wanting to be an amenable neighbour) said yes fine and set off on my way. A week or so later, I came home to find her sitting on my driveway weeding. Before I had a chance to ask what she was doing, my 4yr old innocently asked why she was sitting in our garden to which she replied “well this bit is actually my garden” 😳
I asked what she meant and she began waffling about how the boundary goes beyond the fence they erected and this strip of land is actually hers, she just hasn’t been able to access the garden to weed it for some time. Confused and again distracted by the kids, I went inside and relayed the conversation to OH who was NOT happy, especially after getting the title deeds out which shows the boundary line as being in line with the brickwork of our garage. Since viewing the property, a single bit of fencing has been erected attached to our garage, and a wire fence has been added by next door which is in line with this. Where she was weeding and where she claims is her land is on the other side of this (in our garden).
Yesterday, without asking if they could come into the garden to do so, they have now put down weed matting along this strip.
OH is raging, mainly at me for allowing them to come into the garden the first time when they asked to and for not setting them straight when they began weeding etc, he has said I have to sort this with them and tell them clearly they have to remove the matting and that we recognise the boundary as being where the title deeds depict it and that as a fence has been put in line with that prior to us moving in, they cannot now change the narrative to “actually that strip of land on the other side of the fence is ours and always has been”, despite the title deeds showing the boundary to be in line with the brickwork of my garage and the fence being in line with this too.
I HATE confrontation, even when I’m in the right feel guilty and uncomfortable like I’m doing something terribly wrong in asserting myself or opposing something, and usually end up getting shouted down and back down.
Dreading this conversation. Has everything I’ve said made sense? Have they got a leg to stand on if I say take the matting away and stay on your side of the fence? Am I about to make a dick of myself and an enemy in my new neighbours?

OP posts:
ChatterMonkey · 20/04/2022 12:18

Can't believe there isn't a diagram yet....!

MinnieGirl · 20/04/2022 12:21

Contact your solicitor. You need to get this sorted and dealt with now before it escalates.
The houses across the road have nothing to do with anything. You have paid for your land on the deeds. Definitely download your neighbour’s deeds too.

HotToddyColdSauvignon · 20/04/2022 12:26

ChatterMonkey · 20/04/2022 12:18

Can't believe there isn't a diagram yet....!

This 😃

whumpthereitis · 20/04/2022 12:26

Your DH probably feels exasperated if he’s the one that always has to deal with issues because you don’t like confrontation. I’ve been in the same position before and it gets frustrating.

At this point it doesn’t even call for ‘confrontation’. You can approach it in a friendly manner, just be assertive. You’re not doing anything wrong.

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 20/04/2022 12:27

So you've politely and informally told them to get off your land and they've brushed you off. Next step is to politely and formally tell them to get off your land, letter including copies of both deeds showing the land is yours and instructing them to remove their matting. If they still persist, contact your solicitor and get them to sort it.

Celendine · 20/04/2022 12:40

Just talk to them with your husband present, in a direct assertive way with your deeds. I had a neighbour who kicked off about something similar. We told him we could use a solicitor if he preferred and he backed down.

LookItsMeAgain · 20/04/2022 13:20

You're worried that she'll be annoyed? Find your gumption woman!!!!
Why aren't you annoyed that you have paid for land that they have taken by stealth??? Where is your annoyance???
Why on earth did you bring your 2YO with you when you were already distracted by your child(ren) and that distraction caused the situation you now find yourself in????

I'm sorry but I have little sympathy for someone who repeatedly carries out the same task expecting a different resolution.

If needs be, get in touch with your solicitor about it. It'll cost but you'll be left under no illusion as to where your boundary ends and theirs begins.

whumpthereitis · 20/04/2022 13:33

I’m not sure what the problem is here? She may be annoyed? Ok, and? Let her be annoyed within her own boundary.

it sounds like she’s figured out you’ll roll over with little effort on her part, and if you think she won’t keep pushing her luck to see what she can get away with, you’re mistaken.

Why are you so anxious about this? The world isn’t going to crumble around you if you assert your boundaries. She’ll huff and puff, but so what?

I can absolutely see why your husband is annoyed tbh. All this hand wringing and worry about upsetting someone who is taking the piss out of you, and expecting him to sort it out for you like you’re a helpless child. I’d be fucked off too.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 20/04/2022 16:10

Showed the neighbour the title deeds earlier and he just ignored it and kept talking about the boundary being where the kerb is, quite adamantly

That's all very lovely for him, but he can say anything he like - he needs to show you proof, as you have shown him. I went for a little trip to Saturn yesterday - I don't have any proof of that, but you have my assurance that it's true....

As with any dispute, each side needs to provide their proof as the very next step. You have already shown yours (the deeds) and they have only so far shown strong circumstantial proof against their own claim - by having originally established their fence some distance short of their claimed boundary, making it impossible to maintain the extra strip from their own land without trespassing or seeking permission from a third party, which is clearly an absurd thing to do.

So far, then, it's basically 2-0 to you. Now it's his move - and "But it is true, I tell you" doesn't carry any weight as any kind of proof in anybody's world. In the absence of their providing any actual proof to further their case, everything is currently clearly in your favour to continue using your property as normal.

It makes no difference how much work they've already done, when it was never their property in the first place. I couldn't go and shoplift a whole load of steak and veg from Morrisons and then stamp my feet about how unfair they were not to consider it rightfully mine, just because I'd spent hours batch-cooking a freezer-full of stew.

Maydaysoonenough · 20/04/2022 16:47

We had to get a solicitor to send a letter to our ndn when The Fence War started..
Be worth spending the money ime..

NameInUseAlreadyAgain · 20/04/2022 17:50

The land registry plan is indicative. You need to get your pre registration deeds sometimes know as a transfer or conveyance. They may or may not have a plan and dimensions. The land registry plan May just follow the nearest ordnance survey line. They stamp the general boundaries rule on them which states that you go back to the original deeds. It does seem odd though to me.

(This is my job).

elbea · 20/04/2022 18:20

If you need help, The Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors have a helpline that puts you in touch with a specialist surveyor in your area, they provide 30 minutes free advice. The number is 02476 868 555.

It seems like by saying he has pictures of maintaining it X numbers of years ago he’s trying to imply he could apply for adverse possession.

NameInUseAlreadyAgain · 20/04/2022 18:31

If you phone that no doubt you will be referred to me! Happy to help.

TheHumanExperience · 20/04/2022 20:06

Let your other half sort it out. They need stern words as they will obviously take the piss with someone who is kind and weak-willed (sorry). He has proof. He can photocopy the document and give them a copy, stating that they do not expect to find them in YOUR garden, from now on.

BruceAndNosh · 20/04/2022 20:07

If you want to be nice, you could offer to do some weeding in HER garden, since she did some in yours...

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 21/04/2022 10:13

If you want to be nice, you could offer to do some weeding in HER garden, since she did some in yours...

Or, if you don't want to be nice, you could always go with the 'weeding' idea but without the 'd' Grin

c3pu · 21/04/2022 10:33

If they insist the boundary is different, ask them for something in writing that proves it.

Their word does not trump what's written on your deeds, and if their deeds show something different then that gives you something to work from and resolve.

If their deeds do not show different and they still want to insist on an "alternative" boundary then tell them they'll need to go through the correct channels (solicitor, surveyor etc) to define their proposed boundary and then submit that to you so you can respond properly etc.

Very much sounds like they are on a hiding to nothing if you have a perfectly sensible boundary defined on your deeds though!

UnexpectedItemInShaggingArea · 21/04/2022 17:03

Oh god be really really careful, boundary disputes can be very difficult and expensive.

Also, we neeeed a diagram.

hopeishere · 21/04/2022 17:15

Agree we need a diagram and you need to go round one evening when DH can watch the toddler.

godmum56 · 21/04/2022 17:49

JenniferPlantain · 19/04/2022 21:12

Boundary stuff aside, your OH is being a bit of a prick. What happened to teamwork as a couple? He has no authority over you to demand you do anything.

I dunno....if he's away a lot, the OP is going to have to deal with shit like this at some point so why not now?

godmum56 · 21/04/2022 17:50

TheHumanExperience · 20/04/2022 20:06

Let your other half sort it out. They need stern words as they will obviously take the piss with someone who is kind and weak-willed (sorry). He has proof. He can photocopy the document and give them a copy, stating that they do not expect to find them in YOUR garden, from now on.

yes lets perpetuate the idea that little women need a big strong man to protect them

CrowAndArrow · 21/04/2022 17:54

Diagram please

MrOllivander · 21/04/2022 17:59

@godmum56

yes lets perpetuate the idea that little women need a big strong man to protect them
It depends how bad it gets I had two parking spaces in front of my house Visitor was adamant I didn't. I printed out the deeds/plan of the garden/drive and showed them At the time I lived on my own, he insisted on parking there still, ripped up the copy of the deeds and shoved his foot in my door so I couldn't close it and screamed at me Too right I let my dad go over

(It didn't work though, I ended up having to park diagonally across both spaces or he carried on using them)

Booboobagins · 21/04/2022 18:03

This is really simple. Get your plans out and pop over. Ask her to explain what she means about the boundary using the plan. She can get her plans out too and you can compare the two. Grab a cup of tea, make it an exploratory chat about plans etc. You should easily be able to agree when the boundary is. If you're correct, tell her what you plan to do with that bit of land she kindly weeded for you. I'd suggest you plant poppies/seed bomb it so it's pretty!

I also think your OH is a bit rich, does he ever have the kids on his own and get people asking him Qs like this when the 2yo is playing up? Probably not. BTW he will need to look after the kids whilst you have a good chinwag with your neighbour so you're not distracted!

Good luck

Momicrone · 21/04/2022 18:11

Your dh is being massively unsupportive, it also sounds like the male neighbour may need a guy to convince him