Onlyfans etc. Grim or not?

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Separate discussion where I said I think those sort of sites are awful. Sad and tawdry. The people who put the content on are as bad as the ones paying for it. I think it's an unpopular opinion on MN.
So aibu - it's all fair and good
Ainbu - it's grim

Grim.

Not for me but each to their own. I don't think some of these young woman grasp the concept these images stay online forever though. Many of them must go in to it with their eyes wide shut to all the potential issues this short term thinking can create down the line.

I got chatting to a guy on a dating app. He told me he is on Only Fans and he needed anyone he matched with to be ok with that. I didn't progress the conversation any further.

I think it's dangerous in that it makes the insta-life appear achievable for everyone and for very little work.

This but the money is insane.

I am really sick of the mainstream media keep pushing it. The Mirror seems to be especially bad for "woman quits her job I'm call centre after making £100k" on OnlyFans. On closer reading it turns out she made 10k in one month and is assuming that she will make that every month. Nobody earns that just for a few pics of their boobs and fanny, they will be doing a lot more explicit acts on camera. I think there is quite a high demand from the subscribers for "fresh meat" so new women will do quite well but they won't maintain that level of subscribers. However if you then get people to sign up with your referral code you can earn referral fees making all those pieces in the mainstream media part of the grim pyramid scheme.

"farting into jars"

its amazing (and to some degree frightening) what people will pay money for

for a few celebrities maybe. Not for your average student getting her tits out.

According to the woman I know the only way to make serious money if you are not already famous is to agree to do more and more extreme sex acts on camera.

Grim

X post with hobnobs

Yep it's grim. YANBU

*Farting into jars
I could be a millionaire next week!!

According to the woman I know the only way to make serious money if you are not already famous is to agree to do more and more extreme sex acts on camera.

It has to be as surely the market is flooded & you access lots of porn free. I'm baffled so many pay for such content.

"I'm baffled so many pay for such content."

Is it not that OF gives the (correct or otherwise) impression of a type of girl-next-door vibe which is creepy in itself.
I am sure there are no studies/statistics on it but I would not be surprised if there is a link between people who post content on OF and the victims of stalkers.

In the same way that the types of acts on camera become more extreme, the people who consume it are likely to lose sight of the fact that it is all online and not a real relationship

@portionplate

According to the woman I know the only way to make serious money if you are not already famous is to agree to do more and more extreme sex acts on camera.

It has to be as surely the market is flooded & you access lots of porn free. I'm baffled so many pay for such content.

There is a "personal" element to it. So a subscriber can pay extra money for you to fart into an empty Bonne Maman jar or to pour the jam on your bits while singing the German national anthem. Or much more extreme things. This wasn't only fans but this is what some men are paying for www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/webcam-girl-died-asphyxia-after-17260710

The attitude that it's fine to provide content but not to consume it is similar imo to the attitude that if an unmarried person knowingly having an affair with someone who is married/in a purportedly monogamous relationship isn't doing anything morally wrong, because they themselves aren't breaking any vows.

Baffling.

I know someone who sells photos and stuff via OF. She is a single parent and says it helps keep a roof over her head and bills paid.

I can’t judge her for this.

I can judge a society which leaves her so short financially she has to do this to get by.

Its the new page 3. Pseudo-glam advertising makes it attractive to women (Empowering! Glamorous! Money! Fame!)

But actually it's just wank fodder.

But women wouldn't sign up to take take their clothes off it wasnt portrayed as glamorous and easy money.

Until ot pays minimum wage, sex work will remain prevalent.

It was pretty grim when my teenage stepsons found out FROM THEIR MATES AT SCHOOL that their birth mother was on it, tbh!

Many things in life are grim. I went to school with a girl who does Onlyfans and she is a millionaire now. She's very very beautiful, maybe that's why she's done well as I don't think many people make that much money on it. She is a single mum, owns a house outright and gives her child a great life. She's investing the money she has made into property as she's aware she won't make money from it forever.

I'm also a single mother relying on tax credits as I earn so little. Sure, I may have my "dignity" or whatever but dignity isn't paying the energy bills.

I went on it right when it first kicked off to see what the fuss was about. Never saw anything pornographic on there, mostly weightloss or cookery stuff. Maybe it's linked to my cookies?

I’ve only recently commented on this on another thread but it’s really dangerous to view OF as porn. It’s not, it’s prostitution and a lot of creators and users don’t seem to grasp that.

It might seem as easy as take a few photos and people subscribe. But it’s not just that. To be successful you have to communicate with those subscribers, accept requests from those subscribers to do things you didn’t sign up for but know you now need to do to keep people subscribed. It’s certainly not easy money. There have been women doxxed and attacked by their subscribers because that wall doesn’t exist.

There are lots of ‘profiles’ on Instagram now that cycle through photos of only fans creators as if an online brothel. Except it’s not the women in the photos. It’s hiding women being exploited.

Ultimately, as I said on the other thread, it doesn’t only affect them but how women continue to be viewed in society. There’s a reason countries don’t legalise sex work - because when it’s legal it causes rises in human trafficking, for example what’s happened in Burkina Faso.

Should women be able to make choices? Of course. But those choices shouldn’t be hidden behind the empowerment fallacy, whether the sex work is in real life or online.

I keep seeing a woman pop up on my FYP on tiktok. She says 75% of her subscribers are women. She seems to do quite well out of it and paid 175k in tax last year. Its not my bag but I sometimes wish it was when I'm counting my pennies !

Grim

I actually can’t believe it’s come to this. It’s women selling their bodies, for money. Like that’s all they have to offer. Over Sexualising themselves for cash from strangers.

It’s not empowering, it’s taking us back decades and it is degrading.