To think if you vote Tory now…

[Joanna1988124]

You’re effectively propping up this absolute shit show of a government and have no empathy.

I’ll be honest, I’ve voted conservative before as a middle class family their (taxation) policies have suited me more than Labour. I honestly feel ashamed of this and I wish I could’ve seen that the conservatives agenda of ‘levelling up’ is BS.

Regardless of your personal situation, enough is enough now right? People are reliant on food banks, they’re choosing between heating and eating. Austerity has been a total nightmare for society causing the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer.

Because if Starmer loses badly the left thinks it can retake the Labour Party
Thank you Sleepless - I understand now.

It's a bit hypocritical that you're asking me if looking at that article was a bit inconvenient when you have ignored lots of evidence about the impact of Labour Policies on vulnerable women and children who will be actively harmed by affirmation, presumably because that's a bit inconvenient.

I read it. It didn't really tell me what the policies are any more than I was already aware. I have also looked at the Labour Party website to find out what they actually stand for and how they think that they will achieve it. In the article you posted Polly Toynbee of the Guardian stated In two years, Starmer has turned Labour into a force that is now well beyond its initial “permission to be heard” stage. Now, people need to know what Labour will do., so I'm hardly alone in not really knowing what the Labour Party stand for.

I do know their position on women's rights though. And that's non negotiable. While they are going to actively harm women and girls like my daughter I can't vote for them. Whether you like it or not that is a valid view and one shared by many many women.

sorry that post was directed at Blossom

Never voted Tory and never will. Cant vote for any of the others because of their position on women's rights.
So looks like I,m spoiling my ballot again.
I swear if a single issue party appeared running on the platform of getting rid of first past the post so our votes actually counted. I would vote for them instead.

@custardlover
I completely agree with you. Keir Starmer has held one of the highest legal offices in the country. He strikes me as competent and bright. Much more than anyone in the Conservative party. The parties are not the same. Boris employing his incapable cronies is destroying the country.

you have ignored lots of evidence about the impact of Labour Policies on vulnerable women and children who will be actively harmed by affirmation, presumably because that's a bit inconvenient

I haven’t seen any evidence. I’ve seen a lot of hyperbolic opinion. I’ve seen a hell of a lot of evidence of the impact of Tory economic policies are having on tens of thousands of vulnerable women and children now. Next winter will be a living hell for some of them. So, no, I’m not prepared to throw them under the bus because a Tory PM who lies and lies, then lies some more apparently knows what a woman is. This government has made so many U turns, it’ll turn on a sixpence if it suits it.

You have your head in the sand on women's rights.

Plenty of very intelligent left leaning women understand what the Labour Party is going to do to women. You can choose to ignore it if you wish but you can't compel others to agree with you.

@AlternativePerspective

And tbh, I don’t know why people are getting worked up about this again now. Boris didn’t resign at the time all the pictures came out, all that has happened is that fines have been issued, but we knew about the parties months ago, nothing new has emerged here so it’s a bit disingenuous to say that there’s something new every few months or “just when I thought they couldn’t stoop any lower,” etc.

People aren’t getting ‘worked up again’. They were angry at the time and remained angry. MPs who once said he should resign if found to have broken the law now saying “it’s done, get over it and move on” don’t help of course.

@lifeturnsonadime

You have your head in the sand on women's rights.

Plenty of very intelligent left leaning women understand what the Labour Party is going to do to women. You can choose to ignore it if you wish but you can't compel others to agree with you.

I don’t want to compel people to agree with me, that’s your game. Plenty of intelligent, left leaning women don’t agree with you, I happen to be one of them. I’ll vote for the party that will inflict the least harm - that’s not, and will never be, the Tories.

So to be clear - I am not a complete Tory voter but they did do the furlough thing which will have helped many - I am also against the Labour party for self Id.

Oh where do I find home - well the answer is I will read the manifestos and not vote along tribal lines

@lifeturnsonadime

You have your head in the sand on women's rights.

Plenty of very intelligent left leaning women understand what the Labour Party is going to do to women. You can choose to ignore it if you wish but you can't compel others to agree with you.

You have every right for that be your line in the sand, but I wouldn’t exaggerate how pertinent an issue it is the voters in general. In a recent survey it wasn’t even in the top 15 of voting concerns.

luckylavender
An article from 2010 ... desperate

There's a good reason for that - Labour were in government at the time. The article was about the non-dom status of Labour Party donors. I could pretend that Jeremy Corbyn won the last two general elections if you like - I really would be feeling desperate then.

I find it baffling that so many justify voting conservative because of keeping women and children safe from the evil trans people yet so many are living in poverty that is only set to get worse the longer they are in power? The removal of student loans for further education unless they get high enough grades? They are effectively keeping the working classes at the bottom of the pile and not even trying to hide it, it’s class war. Where is your concern for women and children suffering worse right now?

Also very predictable mention of Jeremy Corbyn in the first page of this thread when he isn’t leader of the Labour Party.

The economy was in a mess because of a global economic crash, every government in the world was in trouble. Have you looked around recently? The UK economy is a complete basket case now

But in entirely the same circumstances. Post Covid and with a war, the entire planet has the same issues with inflation and cost of living. Our government is no different from any other in that respect.

Our government is no different from any other in that respect

Other countries don’t seem to be inflicting the same economic damage on their citizens. The French haven’t seen their energy bills double.

@daimbarsatemydogsbone said

"Well that shows that at least a proportion of that 42% are in poverty jobs or scraping by on benefits."

Can you show your working for this?

@jgw1

52% of voters think you are being unreasonable.

It is the will of the people that Boris remains Prime Joker for ever.

Not so, but people need someone else to vote for.

Someone who will deliver the basics - like protecting women's rights and keeping Momentum out.

Actually, I probably will vote Tory at the locals. My local labour party are a bunch on mysogynistic woke bros who couldn't give a rats arse about the locals. Our local conservatives are bloody brilliant.

And before you slate me, please note I am very active in local charities and have worked with both sides. I have been in several meetings and worked on projects with these people and know several of them very well.

Oh & who introduced student loans - sounds good but what are the knock on effects.

Seriously I am not a tribal voter but I can't be arsed with the No 10 party thing - I think we all know that was rubbish - I reckon Boris is a dead man walking & more interesting to see who will take over. )

I thought Keir Starmer could be good but he comes across ( to me - other opinions available ) as an armchair general

@BigWoollyJumpers

The economy was in a mess because of a global economic crash, every government in the world was in trouble. Have you looked around recently? The UK economy is a complete basket case now

But in entirely the same circumstances. Post Covid and with a war, the entire planet has the same issues with inflation and cost of living. Our government is no different from any other in that respect.

But in the UK while we ride out this mess, the super rich will continue to increase their wealth whilst the rest of us are squeezed in all directions.

I don't vote Conservative. I'm a woman and I can see why so many people have a problem in supporting Labour due to the single issue of self id. Yes we have no guarantee that what the conservatives tell us will not be u turned at some point but if Labour are actually telling us that they intend to pursue changing the equality act then I find it hard to have anything to do with them. My wish is that the world takes notice and realises it is not right and laws are reversed. I saw in Ireland how it was put through quietly and they are now dealing with the consequences. Ironically many trans women are the ones speaking up about how wrong it is.

Blossom we will have to agree to disagree.

I can't vote for a party that will harm women. Lisa Nandy has openly said that she thinks it is appropriate to put a child rapist in a women's prison if he claims to be trans.

How you can ever think that this is acceptable from a Labour front bencher is completely beyond me.

I can only vote on what I know policy will be. I know that a Labour Government that supports Self ID is so entrenched in identity politics that it will affirm children , senior figures in the Labour Party have tweeted their feelings about the recent decision of the Tory Government not to ban 'so called' trans conversion therapy - which actually is talk therapy to make sure that they are not other issues. You can say that the Conservative Government are lying all you like but this government has put a stop to self ID and has reaffirmed the Equality Act 2010 and has made sure that practices to ensure that children who are non gender conforming are not railroaded into irreversible damage to their bodies.

It is quite convenient to say that the Tory Government is lying and not acting but that's not at all true.

@SpringHasSprungYay

Frankly I would negatively judge anyone who votes Tory. Always have.

Same. Couldn't do it myself. Ever.

The Tories have the better policies so nothing I have seen from Labour makes me want to vote Labour whether on gender change laws (which Labour want to make worse) to high taxes.

I don't negatively judge anyone who votes Labour but perhaps I ought.

@Xenia

The Tories have the better policies so nothing I have seen from Labour makes me want to vote Labour whether on gender change laws (which Labour want to make worse) to high taxes.

I don't negatively judge anyone who votes Labour but perhaps I ought.

You don’t count @Xenia. You’re the truest blue Tory on MN, you even outdo Clavinova.

@Glenthebattleostrich

Actually, I probably will vote Tory at the locals. My local labour party are a bunch on mysogynistic woke bros who couldn't give a rats arse about the locals. Our local conservatives are bloody brilliant.

And before you slate me, please note I am very active in local charities and have worked with both sides. I have been in several meetings and worked on projects with these people and know several of them very well.

I get that. My MP is Tory and to be fair is pretty good. He’s gone against the whip on a number of occasions and I respect him for that…. However, I fear that he is now a relic of the ‘old’ tories and can’t, in good conscience, cast my vote for him when that will be interpreted as approval of this cabinet.

I’ve never voted Tory in a general election but have in a couple of local ones over the years. I’m definitely a floating voter by definition.