To think if you vote Tory now…

[Joanna1988124]

You’re effectively propping up this absolute shit show of a government and have no empathy.

I’ll be honest, I’ve voted conservative before as a middle class family their (taxation) policies have suited me more than Labour. I honestly feel ashamed of this and I wish I could’ve seen that the conservatives agenda of ‘levelling up’ is BS.

Regardless of your personal situation, enough is enough now right? People are reliant on food banks, they’re choosing between heating and eating. Austerity has been a total nightmare for society causing the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer.

Doesn't it show up how shit Labour are atm? We have a terrible gov. in place and still the opposition aren't deemed credible enough to vote for. We have terrible austerity and will be going back to live how they did in the 60s whilst the Tory party members get richer, and yet we still won't vote labour and labour doesn't want us anyway. We're deemed transphobes and terfs for giving a shit about women.

Labour should be in such a strong position. They're not. I would bet money on a Conservative and lib dem coalition again for the next election.

When did PM Johnson give an oligarch a seat in the House of Lords @ Clavinova?

On the same day that Keir Starmer sent this text?

And in the spirit of transparency here is a text to me from @ -Keir_Starmer: ‘Congratulations on your elevation to the House of Lords. All best wishes, Keir.’

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/evgeny-lebedev-keir-starmer-congratulates-peerage-boris-johnson_uk_624314d6e4b0587dee614d83

Tories actually put rapists into womens prison, but Labour are worse.
Tories actually put a Putin oligarch into the House of Lords, but Labour are worse.

Baaa baaaa baaa but Laaabooouuurrr.😂😂😂

Just to add that Evgeny Lebedev is a crossbench peer - so non-party political.

@DragonOverTheMoon

Doesn't it show up how shit Labour are atm? We have a terrible gov. in place and still the opposition aren't deemed credible enough to vote for. We have terrible austerity and will be going back to live how they did in the 60s whilst the Tory party members get richer, and yet we still won't vote labour and labour doesn't want us anyway. We're deemed transphobes and terfs for giving a shit about women.

Labour should be in such a strong position. They're not. I would bet money on a Conservative and lib dem coalition again for the next election.

The next general election is two years away. A lot can happen. Who you vote for in the next round of local elections will have no affect on Boris’s position.

Tories actually put rapists into womens prison, but Labour are worse.

You are seriously hard of thinking if you DON"T think that vulnerable women will be worse off under the Labour Party.

But carry on mocking those who don't agree with you.

A person who says that they can't vote for Labour when it has a policy which actively harms women and children are not sheep.

What I'm hoping is that Labour will listen to the concerns of women and spend the next two years convincing us that they will listen to reasonable concerns and not call us transphobic for having those concerns.

A lot will happen before the next GE, and not much of it good. The cost of living crisis is going to worsen when the UK start to implement border checks on goods coming from the EU. More delays = more costs and fewer hauliers wanting their lorries stuck at borders. Energy prices will continue to rise.

We live in "interesting" times and the UK is fucked.

You are seriously hard of thinking if you DON"T think that vulnerable women will be worse off under the Labour Party.

You are seriously hard of thinking if you believe a word uttered by the veteran liar in Downing Street and if your focus is "potential" policies instead of actual policies being implemented by the Conservatives. Have they removed all the men from women's prisons yet?

@Clavinova

Does it not concern you that the Tories have taken millions of pounds of donations from Putin linked Russians? Why do you think those donations were made?

One of the most generous Tory donors wrote this article for the Guardian in 2015;

Britain should arm Ukraine, says Tory donor.

Former Ukrainian businessman argues that Cameron and Obama should send weapons and ammunition to support the government in Kiev...
So when Putin retorts that “no one needs a conflict on the periphery of Europe”, he is not speaking for himself. We cannot, and must not, believe a single word he says.

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/11/britain-should-arm-ukraine

Meanwhile, Seumas Milne, Labour's Executive Director of Strategy and Communications October 2015 - April 2020 was spotted here;

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3298550/Red-handed-Photograph-shows-Jeremy-Corbyn-s-pro-Kremlin-spin-chief-held-Putin-s-iron-grip-propaganda-summit.html

‘There is not the slightest evidence the Soviet Union ever intended to attack.’ (Seumas Milne 2014).
‘There certainly has been military expansionism. But it has come from Nato, not Moscow.’ (Seumas Milne 2015).

Seumas Milne is a horrific Stalin apologist.

He is also no longer employed by the Labour party nor a party member.

So yeah - he is a dreadful. But he is also irrelevant at the next election.

Remarkable how many of the Putin apologists are on the far right of the spectrum - Arron Banks, Farage, Le Pen etc. They've all taken Russian money.

Milne has gone so far left he ended up on the right.

The Tory donor you reference is Temerko - a man who fell out with Putin in the early 00s and fled Russia. I'm not surprised he wants to arm Ukraine, he hates Putin.

You'll note he wasn't the Russian donor I named though.

TooBigForMyBoots
Tories actually put a Putin oligarch into the House of Lords, but Labour are worse.
Baaa baaaa baaa but Laaabooouuurrr

Evgeny Lebedev has lived in the UK since the age of 8 and attended British schools - he's nearly 42 now and holds British citizenship. It was Andy Burnham who defended the Lebedevs in the House of Commons in 2009 when they bought the Evening Standard - Burnham was Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport at the time:

^The Secretary of State will be aware that the Evening Standard is at the centre of London’s local news media industry. Under the circumstances, might it not be appropriate to conduct an inquiry into whether a former KGB member is a fit and proper person to own that newspaper?

Andy Burnham

The Evening Standard is indeed a well-loved part of London life...
I am sure that, like me, the hon. Gentleman will accept that what matters is not an individual’s nationality but the plans that they have to uphold those standards and that character...

It's incredibly naive to think that any die-hard tory is going to be swayed by yesterday's news.

We already know they are a bunch of incompetent twats. We've known that Boris is a racist, sexist, homophobic clown of a man for years. People voted for the tories despite all of that, a bit of law-breaking is not going to make any difference. Some people are just brainwashed and there is nothing that will change that.

@TooBigForMyBoots

The EHRC guidance only came out last week which clarifies that the EXISTING legislation is not as Stonewall represented.

Prisons will be single sex again under existing legislation.

They will never be single sex when Labour remove this legislation in favour of Self ID. Lisa Nandy has clarified that she would put a child rapist in a woman's prison.

@Moppincraxy

"Genuinely interested to know why? I think Kier Starmer, Jess Phillips, David Lammy , Yvette Cooper etc all seem smarter, braver and more in touch with real life to me than the tories - before I even begin to consider moral standing. What is it that makes you hold the conservatives in higher regard? Sincere question."

They think women can have penises and don't care how gender ideology affects vulnerable women and children.

This.

This

This.

Don't vote for someone like Cooper who thinks and I quote "it is going down a rabbit hole to do that" when asked what an adult woman is.

Don't vote for someone like Lammy who thinks a man can grow a cervix.

Don't vote for someone like Starmer who refuses to be "pulled" on defining what a woman is.

They are dangerous-and stupid-fuckers.

Don't vote for anyone-of any political hue-who thinks it is dangerous and complicated to say what a woman is. There are more of these twats in the Labour party than the Conservative party.

@MarshaBradyo I’m not given to conspiracy but I’d urge you to examine your sources that give you that impression.

I don’t dispute that the Ukrainian’s speak highly of the UK public. I would dispute that on the political stage we’re in a particularly powerful position on a few levels.

The EHRC guidance only came out last week which clarifies that the EXISTING legislation is not as Stonewall represented.

Stonewall did not draft and implement the existing legistlation, the Conservative party did. If Penny Mordaunt, serving Conservative Minister, wins the next leadership race TWAW will be the law. Stop blaming others @lifeturnsonadime, the trans shitshow was brought to you by the Tory Party. You are a fool to fall for their "look at what Labour say, not what we are doing".

Have you not noticed the TRAs on the Conservative front and back benches?

And when are they going to get round to getting men out of women's prisons?

Scotland is very nice. Is it? You don't know the half of it.

[quote Cornettoninja]@MarshaBradyo I’m not given to conspiracy but I’d urge you to examine your sources that give you that impression.

I don’t dispute that the Ukrainian’s speak highly of the UK public. I would dispute that on the political stage we’re in a particularly powerful position on a few levels.[/quote]
Wrt war in Ukraine that’s what was being discussed specifically?

I usually say my sources but it’s pretty much always the same - R4 or Times radio so interviews with spokespeople directly from Ukraine.

I googled to see if there was much more and a break down of a recent speech by Zelensky

inews.co.uk/news/politics/zelenksy-countries-helping-ukraine-russia-war-president-boris-johnson-macron-1542710

‘During the lengthy interview, Mr Zelensky evaluated the response of major nations, including France, Germany, the UK and the US.

He appeared to heap the most praise on Boris Johnson‘s leadership, while criticising the approaches of other European leaders, most notably French President Emmanuel Macron.‘

@DdraigGoch

I suspect that at the next local elections I'll be voting to keep my existing independent councillors, as it's about local issues not an opinion poll on Westminster (or Cardiff).

A party at Downing Street isn't going to influence my vote in the slightest. It's trivia as far as I'm concerned, not the sort of issue significant enough to outweigh more important matters in a general election.

I'm more concerned about food security, defence and energy generation. On food security, it seems to be the policy of both Whitehall and Cardiff (but worse in the latter) to pay polluters to greenwash their images by turning productive farmland into forestry.

On defence, no party have got a great record (though nothing would be worse than the unilateralist policies espoused by the mercifully former Labour leader).

On energy generation, both main parties have finally backed nuclear power, though the dithering by the Blair government has cost us precious time.

I'm also concerned about public transport and again can't find much to appeal to me. At least Boris has a thing for hard hats and grands projects so we might see some decent rail infrastructure (despite several projects for the North East getting kicked into the long grass).

Women's rights too - Boris has finally come out and supported women's rights to privacy, safety, dignity and fair play. Starmer just appears to be too cowardly to say it out loud. Doesn't do a lot to build respect if he won't say what he really thinks, incoherent legalese won't cut it. Obviously if I was in Crispin Blunt's constituency, I'd definitely be sending my vote elsewhere - fancy defending a child molester.

Who will I vote for? Well in Wales we've had 23 years of Labour-led governments, I'm certainly not voting for that shower. Plaid are out, as they're nationalists. Both of them, plus the Lib Dems and Greens are happy to throw vulnerable women and children under a bus so I can't really vote for any of them. Still, the sitting (Conservative) MS is good, and the (also Conservative) MP seems reasonable (even if he seems to just follow the whip), he's even met with local farmers and is getting assurances from land owners that tenant farmers won't be evicted for yet more forestry. I also have to remember that a Labour government is likely to be one in coalition with the SNP. Something which I'd like to avoid at all costs.

Blair dithering... remind me when Blair left office & how long the Tories have been in power...and nuclear is most definitely not the answer...

[quote Clavinova]Sunak thinks his wife's financial affairs should be private but he requires those on universal credit to fully disclose. One rule for the rich. Another for the poor.

Labour MP Harriet Harman agrees with him here;

'People's tax affairs [are] a private matter.'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1256169/Harriet-Harman-refuses-answer-questions-Labours-major-funders.html[/quote]
An article from 2010 ... desperate

@TooBigForMyBoots

The EHRC guidance only came out last week which clarifies that the EXISTING legislation is not as Stonewall represented.

Stonewall did not draft and implement the existing legistlation, the Conservative party did. If Penny Mordaunt, serving Conservative Minister, wins the next leadership race TWAW will be the law. Stop blaming others @lifeturnsonadime, the trans shitshow was brought to you by the Tory Party. You are a fool to fall for their "look at what Labour say, not what we are doing".

Have you not noticed the TRAs on the Conservative front and back benches?

The existing legislation has SEX as a protected characteristic but was actually brought in by the Labour Party in 2010!

Stonewall misrepresented that legislation.

Labour seek to remove sex as a protected characteristic and replace existing same sex provisions with Self ID.

If you are going to state things as FACT at least check you have your facts straight.

[quote Clavinova]When did PM Johnson give an oligarch a seat in the House of Lords @ Clavinova?

On the same day that Keir Starmer sent this text?

And in the spirit of transparency here is a text to me from @ -Keir_Starmer: ‘Congratulations on your elevation to the House of Lords. All best wishes, Keir.’

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/evgeny-lebedev-keir-starmer-congratulates-peerage-boris-johnson_uk_624314d6e4b0587dee614d83[/quote]
Etiquette. That's what the LOO does. Do you think he saw the Security advice? Next...

@TooBigForMyBoots

And when are they going to get round to getting men out of women's prisons?

The guidance was clarified LAST WEEK. It will happen.

It is far easier to fool a person than to get them to see they have been fooled. People are stubborn, even when their denial is to their own detriment, especially if it is to someone else's.
How anyone could ever vote for the party that looks after the establishment at such a cost to the people who work hardest in our society is beyond me. Aside from any worries about the basic decency of that attitude, on a grand scale it makes no sense - why wouldn't you want to live in a society with excellent health and education provision for all. The rich could still have more money than they could possibly spend whilst not dodging their taxes. Why would anyone vote for the scumbags that support such disgusting greed?