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Logan Mwangi TW: Child Abuse

211 replies

Merryoldgoat · 11/04/2022 22:26

I’m just so sad. Why do these dreadful people do this?

I want to breathe the life back into him and take him away from all that pain.

I’m a fairly rubbish parent a lot if the time. But I just can’t conceive of the evil that does this to a poor little child.

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Goldijobsandthe3bears · 22/04/2022 18:26

Strange part to feel uncomfortable with in this case @Greenmascara

LadyTwinkle · 22/04/2022 18:26

JC and AW had a baby son together. The older son she was referring to was Logan. I'm not sure how the youth was related to either them if at all. I'm wary of speculating about his identity because he's still protected by a court order at the moment.

EmeraldShamrock1 · 22/04/2022 18:38

Not forgetting Asiah age 1 who starved to death in assisted living while her DM partied.

Hakeem really upset me, forgetting his disgusting low life scum DM but neighbours if I'd a crackhead neighbour abusing their DC I'd take them on, phone the police and refuse to return them until SS sorted it out.
Didn't anyone pass him, I doubt it was the first time he was left in the cold.

AskingforaBaskin · 22/04/2022 18:38

I live where Logan lived. The community is absolutely shocked. I just can't work out how this happened. How did the neighbours not hear?
We went past their home every day in lockdown and while we were playing with our kids he was being tortured feet away.
I have to go to where he was dumped at least every week. It's horrific I hope something is put in place to stop this. Every week it seems another child is being murdered and it always comes to SS knowing and doing sweet FA.

the80sweregreat · 22/04/2022 18:41

Every day it seems we hear about another child being murdered or neglected and I just find it so so sad and all we get are ' lessons will be learned' and nothing ever is.
It's all just so heartbreaking.
These children all deserved so much better :(
There really isn't any justice either , they all get out and it's the taxpayers that pick up their bills.
It's just utterly depressing.

Magnoliayellowbird · 22/04/2022 18:50

Social services are stretched, it's a hard job, but the problem lies much deeper.

It's a result of the UK having an 'underclass.' People who are themselves badly brought up, who think of themselves first, with very little empathy for others.

Social workers need to be better paid and have greater powers. I can see that it must be terrible, having to investigate potentially violent people, but why can't they be accompanied by a police officer?

Too many of these cases have involved social workers being manipulated and lied to.

There was a case recently where the mother covered the child's face with smeared chocolate, to cover up the bruises. Why aren't social workers more suspicious?

It is true that the majority of these awful cases are perpetrated by a step father or someone the woman has recently allowed to move in with her.

There have been other cases of course, where the woman is the guilty one, but generally speaking, it's the man.

MayorDusty · 22/04/2022 18:55

Just reading about Hakeem.
There's too many, I don't believe it's just more reporting I think society has a lot of impact and attitudes towards being a parent (for some)
It's not as though giving up a child you don't want is difficult there is help and options.

I'm no fan of SS or big governance but we need to address it and if SS aren't or can't do the job it needs reforming.
Almost every week another avoidable child death often with cruelty.
Just unnecessary.

YouHaveYourFathersBreasts · 22/04/2022 18:59

It’s a horrible, sickening irony that Logan’s “mother” did everything she could to protect herself in court from being convicted of his murder, screamed at her accomplice, threw everything she had in her arsenal at the other 2. But didn’t never tried to save Logan.

Cole appears to be a textbook abuser and racist. The youth (his bio child?)… god knows what’s happened in his life so far to end up being convicted of murdering someone, a 5 year old child no less. Have said that, the writing was on the wall murder would be part of his repertoire at some point- torturing animals is a huge red flag and he’s done that a few times from what I read.

secsee · 22/04/2022 19:01

EmeraldShamrock1 · 22/04/2022 18:11

So much vitriol, snobbery and downright misogyny on this thread. "Chav mums", "thing who gave birth", "evil" about a child.

^Angharad Williamson enjoyed a private education and the trappings of luxury as she grew up. But now she faces a life sentence after being convicted of murdering her own child.^

Chav is a disgusting word.

More concerned with the evil acts she and the others committed tbh, couldn't care what anyone calls those creatures

Minimalme · 22/04/2022 19:02

I honestly think part of the problem is that society's default belief is that if a mother says she loves her child, then she loves her child.

It stops SS removing children because the Mother becomes adept at expressing her utter devotion and ends up being prioritised over the child.

So often on MN people say 'if only the Mother had been supported' but it isn't that is it?

Children born to Mothers who are cruel and self-serving will suffer all their lives.

My Mother didn't love me but I am never allowed to say it out loud because people rush to tell me how sad she must be to not have any contact with me.

I find it bizarre.

iloveruby · 22/04/2022 19:07

Objecting to the term evil isn't just about semantics - it prevents society from understanding the root causes of the behaviour and therefore how to identify and address it before escalation.

Wheeloftime · 22/04/2022 19:15

There really isn't any justice either , they all get out and it's the taxpayers that pick up their bills.

Thats another thing that gets me. Stars mom got 9 initially! 9!!! And whatever unbelievable cruelty is involved, the max sentence is 21. These vile arseholes are also protected in prison in a separate wing with other vile arseholes. Nothing can undo what was done to these innocent children but lack of remorse coupled with pitiful punishment, and nothing at all changing with ss. It makes me feel so angry and helpless. I'm sure there are children being tortured this very moment and nothing can be done about it apparently. Always the same fucking excuses. Ss underfunded, everyone's hands are tied.

RobynNora · 22/04/2022 19:19

This is so haunting and the saddest case I've seen in a long time. Logan has such a beautiful little smile.

What inhumanity. I hope they suffer.

LadyTwinkle · 22/04/2022 19:21

I think where AW is concerned, actions really do speak louder than words. She talked a lot about how much she loved her son, but did very little to demonstrate or prove it in reality.

Wheeloftime · 22/04/2022 19:21

It's a result of the UK having an 'underclass.' People who are themselves badly brought up, who think of themselves first, with very little empathy for others.

This is interesting, I'm not from the UK, please can you explain? There is cruelty everywhere of course and horrible parenting too, but how do you think UK's social environment is exacerbating child abuse?

LadyTwinkle · 22/04/2022 19:40

This is just my personal opinion based on my own life experiences. But when AW was talking about how much she loved Logan during the trial, to me, it was coming across as though she knew that they were the sort of things other people would say about their children, and that they were the correct things to say about her son, but they weren't necessarily feelings and emotions she, herself, felt or even truly understood. It came across like they were stock phrases, that she'd heard on a TV show. It's sort of like giving the correct answer at a job interview because you know it's the employer wants to hear rather than what you actually believe.

It reminded me of my own mum too. She would make these kind of sentimental statements about me and my brother to her friends, because that's what they said about their children, and she knew it was expected by society, when that was farthest thing from reality behind closed doors. When I had a child of my own I finally understood that she could never have felt any sort of connection or maternal bond towards us, because of how she treated us. It's difficult to explain to people who've never experienced attachment issues, because it's assumed that all mother's will have a maternal bond and protective instinct over their children. Sometimes it's just not there.

Minimalme · 22/04/2022 19:53

@LadyTwinkle I can relate to your post 100%.

People would tell me all the time how much my Mother loved me, based on her gushing monologues about love.

She even used to say that if I died it would destroy her, yet used to purposefully put me and my siblings in situations which were clearly dangerous.

I think my Mother would have loved one of us to die so she could receive endless sympathy.

I do believe my Mother is evil. I think she was just born that way, probably borderline psychopathy.

There is no preventing, mending or stopping that type of person. They shouldn't be allowed contact with any vulnerable person.

MayorDusty · 22/04/2022 20:02

It's shit @LadyTwinkle and when you have your own it's like a double betrayal because it confirms what you always thought.
The default assumptions that a Mother will love her child is damaging.
I'm older now and my Mum has passed but it still burns how she was and how she played the part so well.
S sorry to hear you and Mini^ had the same.

Merryoldgoat · 22/04/2022 20:02

A few people have picked up my issues with step parents so, to be clear so there’s no more wilful misunderstanding:

  1. I don’t think all step parents are evil
  2. I don’t think women have to remain single forever
I simply would not make the choice to live with someone else if my marriage failed. It doesn’t mean I wouldn’t have a new relationship, I just mean I’m not interested in creating a blended family.

I think lots of women prioritise a partner over children and cannot cope being alone with makes vulnerable children even more at risk.

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DaleTrimont · 22/04/2022 20:11

Strange there is not now clear information about the boy convicted, and his position in the family.
The whole thing is unbearable to read. That poor little boy.

Abhannmor · 22/04/2022 20:12

FrancescaContini · 22/04/2022 08:48

Totally agree with you on this. The last few appalling cases of child abuse that have been in the media: ALWAYS a stepfather/ mum’s new partner. Always.

Arthur. Dad's new partner.

Merryoldgoat · 22/04/2022 20:16

@Abhannmor

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EmeraldShamrock1 · 22/04/2022 21:22

@LadyTwinkle That makes sense playing the parts yet totally disconnected.

She couldn't love him if she allowed him be treated so cruelly.

Cole looks like an evil man, what did she see in him.

I'm often angrier with the biological parent involved in the abusive torture of their DC.

Merryoldgoat · 22/04/2022 22:17

Cole looks like an evil man, what did she see in him.

I don’t know if it’s a case of post hoc ergo propter hoc rationalisation but the men in these cases often look like such obviously violent bullies I wonder how any woman would go near them.

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Bagelsandbrie · 22/04/2022 22:35

Merryoldgoat · 22/04/2022 22:17

Cole looks like an evil man, what did she see in him.

I don’t know if it’s a case of post hoc ergo propter hoc rationalisation but the men in these cases often look like such obviously violent bullies I wonder how any woman would go near them.

I think that’s true of all of the recent cases at least. Savannah Brockhill (Star Hobsons case), Emma Tustin (Arthur L Hughes) and now John Cole - they all look like the kind of people you’d cross over the street to avoid. But having been subject to an abusive relationship I can only assume these people are very charming when you first meet them. If my abusive ex is anything to go by they make you feel like you’re the only one they let in, that they have a softer side etc. it’s all bullshit of course and the mask slips with time.