I agree with Boris

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trib.al/ov5g0nj I can’t stand the throes but agree with this

That I can’t vote Labour or Lib Dem because if this is THEIR fault, not mine

You're right, it is, but that's not the way some manic activists and the sort of metropolitan chatterati Fireflygal mentioned will see it

To some of these it's all your fault because you refuse to see the absolute rightness of their views, probably with something about being "brainwashed by the media" chucked in.
It's almost as if they resent people being able to think for themselves and coming to a conclusion which differs from theirs, and so they continue to strike fashionable positions, ignore the vast swathes of moderate folk who want nothing to do with silly ideas, and then act surprised when the next electoral loss rolls into view

Shame, really, because the whole thing is leaving more and more of us politically homeless

Boris can be right on this point and wrong on many others. It so happens this one is important to many people.

It is important, but I do wonder why the increasing attempt to make poor people even poorer is an acceptable effect to continue to happen from voting them back in.

Plus johnsons attitude towards women has never been complimentary in the past, and he is a frequent liar. I wouldn't trust that he actually does feel this way or even cares. If it got him a win, he would do or say anything. He has no morals, no empathy, no ability to care about others.

I saw a glimmer of hope in the recent interviews of Dawn Butler. I was intently listening out for her to say ‘people who have chest cancer’ but she actually referenced ‘women with breast cancer’. I suppose that the cis lot can keep their identity when it comes down to crappy malfunctions but anything more cheerful like competing in sport, you can forget it. There are other inconsistencies, I cannot be bothered to list them all but they all point to the fact that I don’t believe that they believe in the gender nonsense they are putting out either.

It is important, but I do wonder why the increasing attempt to make poor people even poorer is an acceptable effect to continue to happen from voting them back in.

Honestly, take this point to Labours door.

If Labour have their policies implemented, women will become impossible to define and the implications of that are enormous. It's not anyone's fault but labours that they've become unelectable for many.

The more these issues get talked about, the less we get told on here to “go back to your board, no one really care about this”.

Thank fuck for that.

The electorate swallowed his lies on Brexit. Many women will swallow his soundbite on this too it seems.

Can you quote the part of what he said where you think he is lying?

@Lynnthesearesexnotgenderpeople

The electorate swallowed his lies on Brexit. Many women will swallow his soundbite on this too it seems.

Can you quote the part of what he said where you think he is lying?

It’s a bit more nuanced than lie and truth. It’s more about why he’s decided to hit on this particular truth against a background of decades of lies. And why he suddenly cares about women after a life time of misogyny. Not to mention the endless U turns of his government.

What is that famous saying “When someone tells you what they are, believe them”.

It’s a bit more nuanced than lie and truth. It’s more about why he’s decided to hit on this particular truth against a background of decades of lies

Well he wants to win votes. That bit's obvious.

But it's so refreshing when the Prime Minister of the country says what all of the other parties are unprepared to say. It is so important that he did say it. Women have been hounded, lost their jobs, issued rape and death threats for stating this. Now that the Prime Minister of the country has clarified that this is not a niche, bigoted belief he has paved the way for very important conversations.

I don't care what his motives for telling the truth now were, what is important here is that he has listened to the women who have fought tirelessly and often at personal risk to say these things.

That is more than you can say for the cowardly leader of the opposition who is more interested in appeasing lobby groups than in the rights of women.

It is up to Labour to make themselves electable. They put up Corbyn, that was a shitshow. They have put up Starmer who seemed much better. But Labour is in thrall to gender ideology and is putting women's safety at risk by doing so. So they are unelectable.
It's not a fucking tribal thing any more. That ended with Corbyn. It's not coming back unless they show me they can be trusted with women's safety.

Good lad Bojo .

@NippyWoowoo

That's great, but I still wouldn't vote for any party he's head of or the Tories ever. I guess I just have different priorities, managing to survive with increasing costs as a single person not eligible for any help remains my top concern, don't give a shit who's pissing in the toilet next to me.

Am certain the women in prison, locked up with rapists are thrilled by your concern for them. Also those women who need rape crisis centres to be women only. Probably the Jewish woman who will not be allowed out of the house to pee next to you is also thrilled.

@TheKeatingFive

It is important, but I do wonder why the increasing attempt to make poor people even poorer is an acceptable effect to continue to happen from voting them back in.

Honestly, take this point to Labours door.

If Labour have their policies implemented, women will become impossible to define and the implications of that are enormous. It's not anyone's fault but labours that they've become unelectable for many.

Already done. But no reply yet. I honestly don't think they want to be elected. They'd rather watch someone else keep failing and remain safely on the side where they can just shout about it.

@Lynnthesearesexnotgenderpeople

The electorate swallowed his lies on Brexit. Many women will swallow his soundbite on this too it seems.

Can you quote the part of what he said where you think he is lying?

I've already stated how I define his lying.

And to me how he defines a woman has no relevance to my voting intentions, and I certainly don't believe he will implement anything to protect women or improve their lives. In any case the Conservative party have had 12 years to do so if they really cared. All they've done is is decimate services women use.

I honestly don't think they want to be elected. They'd rather watch someone else keep failing and remain safely on the side where they can just shout about it.

Oh I totally agree, it's so depressing

And women locked up with rapists and the situation with rape crisis centres have happened under the Conservative party's watch.

@ilovesooty

And women locked up with rapists and the situation with rape crisis centres have happened under the Conservative party's watch.

And that would get immeasurably and irreversibly worse under Labour.

The Tory party is definitely signalling that it intends to back track, hard. It will not be hard for them to do. They don’t even have to make new legislation, they just have to enforce the law as it stands right now.

If they want to really stick the knife in then they could start making noises about repealing the GRA, but suspect that may be a bit too much hard work/have more chance of back firing than they’d like.

@lifeturnsonadime

This is very much like Brexit

Yes it is, it should be a cross party issue.

It's bloody obvious what a woman is and why we have safeguarding needs.

The Labour Party is letting women down.

What I am confused about is why posters like Blossom think that this is the fault of Boris Johnson. You may not like him but HE Is not responsible for the failings of the opposition to make vote winning policies.

No but his government is responsible for the situation women find themselves in right now. And transwonen allowed onto biologically female wards has happened under a Conservative government. Actions speak louder than words .

And transwonen allowed onto biologically female wards has happened under a Conservative government.

That may be true, but Labour are clearly signalling their intention to make it much worse and to dismantle sex based definitions of women altogether

@ilovesooty

And women locked up with rapists and the situation with rape crisis centres have happened under the Conservative party's watch.

Yup, but now it seems the light has been seen. No need for new laws, already laws in place they simply need adhering to. On the other hand kier has not seen the light and he stumbles and fumbles through what a woman is and oooh we cant say only women have a cervix, that would be mean.

Instead of scolding all (6) of us why dont you email every party that thinks twaw, tell them the (6) of us have had enough of men in our spaces, to get a grip, get with the programme or whatever they need to do to win our votes?
It's not us, its them.

@Hasselhoffsheadband

*hmm ,. and if i remember rightly the intellect of many trump supporters was called into question and his presidency was farce its not for nothing that johnson and trump shared some similarites or should that be quite a few ? and of course they both got on very well*

we have our own clown running the country , the difference is americans got theirs out . england is dumb enough to vote theirs back in again

I thought we worked out in about 2018 that this wasn't the way to win hearts and minds?

I'm not a Labour politician trying to win votes lol .if you and others want to believe a habitual liar who would say anything to win votes then go ahead . its just going to be amusing reading the threads that will invariably come up when Johnson promptly forgets about it once he's re elected whilst the country and our general standard of living just gets more worse. I'm sorry i dont feel it's down to me to convince ppl to vote labour .but i do think anyone anyone that votes tory based on Johnson statement is not only gullible. but incredibly daft . but i wouldn't try to reason with them .

Johnson promptly forgets about it once he's re elected

But I don't understand why Johnson would 'forget about it'. It's Labour that want to make big changes here, not the Tories.

In what sense would him 'forgetting' get us to what Starmer wants to achieve? Ie defining women out of existence?

Even if he does ‘forget’ about it, as someone who works in a university where this stuff is unsayable, I am grateful that he is normalising common sense.

The more people say stuff like this in public, the easier it makes it for everyone wo doesn’t want to wear a fucking pronoun badge.

@Terfydactyl another who thinks it's OK to use pejorative language about someone with a different point of view.

And "scold" seems a very strange choice of word from an adult human female.

No but his government is responsible for the situation women find themselves in right now. And transwonen allowed onto biologically female wards has happened under a Conservative government. Actions speak louder than words .

I dealt with this point upthread. Yes mistakes have been made by allowing a lobby group redefine the Equality Act, BUT, the push back has started.

A Labour Government would destroy all single sex spaces by replacing Single Sex spaces with Self ID.

Why would I vote to end the right to these spaces now that the impact of the removal of those spaces on women has been made crystal clear.

What an odd proposition to actually make things worse?

Mistakes have been made

So one soundbite from our opportunistic PM is going to excuse 12 years of misgovernment?