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I agree with Boris

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ivykaty44 · 06/04/2022 17:04

trib.al/ov5g0nj I can’t stand the throes but agree with this

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bellinisurge · 07/04/2022 13:21

This is very much like Brexit. People who were unhappy about how our country was working were dismissed by Labour as swivel eyed loons - I voted Remain, btw . Failing to listen to people. Patronising them. Feeding them semantic waffle. All failed as a strategy - I would still vote Remain , btw. If Labour thinks that de facto or actual self ID is the right thing, they should say why. And the answer isn't "becoz its kind" when do much is at stake for women.

ilovesooty · 07/04/2022 13:22

@Blossomtoes

Why don't you see that comparing this with Brexit is absurd?

Because it’s not. Brexit divided the country and this is dividing women. Like I said, it’s divide and conquer. Oldest tactic in the political book.

The electorate swallowed his lies on Brexit. Many women will swallow his soundbite on this too it seems.
Soffit · 07/04/2022 13:23

Why would anyone give the biggest player in the game of playing politics so much attention for the fact that he is playing the same old game? He has never shown evidence of having a moral compass or heart felt convictions. That said, I am repulsed by Labour, would not vote for them in their current guise. It’s reassuring to know that I won’t have to spare any thought weighing up candidates, watching the offerings of their propaganda machines. I will definitely be ignoring Election Day,

TheKeatingFive · 07/04/2022 13:23

Many women will swallow his soundbite on this too it seems.

What lie do you think he's telling?

lifeturnsonadime · 07/04/2022 13:23

This is very much like Brexit

Yes it is, it should be a cross party issue.

It's bloody obvious what a woman is and why we have safeguarding needs.

The Labour Party is letting women down.

What I am confused about is why posters like Blossom think that this is the fault of Boris Johnson. You may not like him but HE Is not responsible for the failings of the opposition to make vote winning policies.

ilovesooty · 07/04/2022 13:24

@TheKeatingFive

Many women will swallow his soundbite on this too it seems.

What lie do you think he's telling?

He's lying in pretending to be remotely concerned about women.
Blossomtoes · 07/04/2022 13:25

@Soffit

Why would anyone give the biggest player in the game of playing politics so much attention for the fact that he is playing the same old game? He has never shown evidence of having a moral compass or heart felt convictions. That said, I am repulsed by Labour, would not vote for them in their current guise. It’s reassuring to know that I won’t have to spare any thought weighing up candidates, watching the offerings of their propaganda machines. I will definitely be ignoring Election Day,
Exactly this. I spoilt my vote in 2019 and it looks as if I’ll be doing it at the next general election too. I live in a Tory stronghold though so it makes no difference at all.
NippyWoowoo · 07/04/2022 13:25

@mrsmolks

So for those of you who aren't going to vote Tory now - what are you going to do? Vote for a party that doesn't believe your rights should exist? How can you do that - every vote for labour affirms their belief that they are right. For me this is the most important issue of our generation. The hard fought rights of females to be protected. I would change my vote for any party who stated they believed in the rights of females. Its my job to protect the future of my daughters
But if I vote for the Tories I'm voting for a party that doesn't believe I should exist in a state of comfortable living or ever get on the housing ladder, that family support services should continue to be underfunded, that education and health care should continue to suffer in the state that they're in, and I'd confirm their beliefs that they are right by doing so.
TheKeatingFive · 07/04/2022 13:26

He's lying in pretending to be remotely concerned about women.

That's your interpretation.

I don't think that at all.

What he's actually said is that he is capable of defining one.

Which is a lot more than can be said for Starmer.

lifeturnsonadime · 07/04/2022 13:26

Many women will swallow his soundbite on this too it seems.

Well he's right isn't he, women do not have penises.

But Sir Keir Starmer stating that women do have penises is a soundbite we should swallow?

And we shouldn't care about the impact this will have on us as a sex class?

NippyWoowoo · 07/04/2022 13:30

@TheKeatingFive

Since the Tories have been in government for 12 years and he hasn't done anything to address women's concerns, and so many events affecting women have happened under his watch

At least he can define them.

It's a low bar, I totally agree.

But it puts him head and shoulders ahead of Starmer on this issue.

This should be put on the tombstones of the 147k that died due to his horrific mismanagement of covid.

At least he could define what a woman was.

Soffit · 07/04/2022 13:30

I wish that people would spend less time on taking political candidates and their biased donor/lobbyist-shaped agendas and coverage at face value and turn their attention to the body of literature out there which discusses why they adopt strategies and why this triggers us into supporting /voting. Every day, I come across people infected by ideologies that have been handed down to them by these machines. They passionately espouse these to the extent that they cannot separate fact from opinion and their own developed ideas from inherited ( and necessarily limiting) beliefs. I witness impassioned denials of this. It’s not improving any time soon.

TheKeatingFive · 07/04/2022 13:31

This should be put on the tombstones of the 147k that died due to his horrific mismanagement of covid.

Well, that's the most bizarre piece of whataboutery I've seen today. Congrats.

TotalRhubarb · 07/04/2022 13:31

I agree with Boris.

I fucking hate Boris. Loathe and despise him. But he’s right on this, as anybody with half a brain cell who isn’t puffed up with their own sense of virtue, can see.

I am FURIOUS with Labour and the Lib Dem’s for their utter contempt for me and all other women. And children. And the utter lack of intelligence and mandacity they are showing on this.

That I can’t vote Labour or Lib Dem because if this is THEIR fault, not mine.

lifeturnsonadime · 07/04/2022 13:33

@TheKeatingFive

This should be put on the tombstones of the 147k that died due to his horrific mismanagement of covid.

Well, that's the most bizarre piece of whataboutery I've seen today. Congrats.

I actually think it's a vile post.

People wanting women to have rights and voting for a party which is not intent on removing those rights are not morally responsible for covid deaths.

theschitt · 07/04/2022 13:34

I don't give a shit that Boris cares about me as a woman - but he's dead right on this issue and unfortunately this has become the main issue I'll be voting on in any election - so despite my huge sadness that it has come to this I'll be voting with whoever wants my vote as a human woman. We are at a critical point and I'm giving anyway my hard fought over centuries rights for a tiny group of nasty egotistical men who are quite prepared to tramp all over me and every other woman to get to where they want to be.

bellinisurge · 07/04/2022 13:35

Again, don't give a shit about what a criminally incompetent shithead he (or the rest of them are). I'll spoil my ballot paper unless Starmer's Labour start to talk sense on this. If enough people don't vote Labour (whatever form that takes) then the Tories win.
I called this "do a deal with the devil" time. If you vote Labour now, you are also "doing a deal with the devil" too. I'm not prepared to vote Labour.

NippyWoowoo · 07/04/2022 13:36

@TheKeatingFive

This should be put on the tombstones of the 147k that died due to his horrific mismanagement of covid.

Well, that's the most bizarre piece of whataboutery I've seen today. Congrats.

It isn't though, because what he says doesn't matter, over and over. He always does the exact opposite.

'Whataboutery' I've learned is thrown around on here to shut down views that show obvious hypocrisy in a situation where it doesn't want to be heard, and in this case it's about Boris' words and actions.

Beowulfa · 07/04/2022 13:37

I've never voted Conservative. I've also never voted Labour.

Currently, Labour are doing a superb job of ensuring I will continue to not vote for them. The Tories on the other hand, are making me think.

lifeturnsonadime · 07/04/2022 13:39

NippyWooWoo

What you don't seem to grasp is that people are not going to be voting because they believe what Mr Johnson said they will be voting because they DON"T believe what Mr Starmer says which is that women can have penises.

It is Mr Starmer that is causing the problem here because he is hell bent on removing women's rights.

bellinisurge · 07/04/2022 13:39

Stop calling him Boris. He's not your mate. He's not a TV personality.
He's twigged that this is a vote winner and he's right. It's all he's got left and I don't care. Finally a senior politician is letting the sunlight in on this shitshow of gender ideology

canary1 · 07/04/2022 13:40

I have many problems with Boris and they Tory Party. They have committed many wrongdoings. They are corrupt.

However Boris speak the Truth here- it’s absurd that he should even have to say that biological women should have own spaces for safety, that biological men should not be competing in biological women’s sport. But this is the mad world we live in and Labour haven’t been able to step up in this vital issue, and Boris has.

NippyWoowoo · 07/04/2022 13:41

I actually think it's a vile post.

People wanting women to have rights and voting for a party which is not intent on removing those rights are not morally responsible for covid deaths.

That's a vile misinterpretation of what I said. The theme of this thread is whether or not the things Boris says can be trusted. I don't believe so, his actions have repeatedly shown this to be true, and my reference to the pandemic is one of the many examples of his failings.

TheKeatingFive · 07/04/2022 13:41

It isn't though, because what he says doesn't matter, over and over. He always does the exact opposite.

But why would 'do the exact opposite' of stating biological fact (which is what he's done).

And if he did, he would be exactly the same as Starmer on this issue, not worse.

'Whataboutery' I've learned is thrown around on here to shut down views that show obvious hypocrisy

There is no obvious hypocrisy on this issue unless you think people are wholly right or wholly wrong and that's not a view intelligent adults usually take. Boris can be right on this point and wrong on many others. It so happens this one is important to many people.

maddy68 · 07/04/2022 13:44

Me too. However would definitely still not vote for him