I agree with Boris

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trib.al/ov5g0nj I can’t stand the throes but agree with this

@bellinisurge

A woman was raped in hospital and disbelieved for a year because of gender ideology. It happened. It's not hypothetical. It's happening now.

And which party has been in power for the last 12 years? Whose watch did it happen on?

I agree with him but I also think (a) he only wants recognition of what a woman is so he can fuck us over and (b) if the lay of the land changed tomorrow he'd change with it.

Still politically homeless.

So for those of you who aren't going to vote Tory now - what are you going to do? Vote for a party that doesn't believe your rights should exist? How can you do that - every vote for labour affirms their belief that they are right. For me this is the most important issue of our generation. The hard fought rights of females to be protected. I would change my vote for any party who stated they believed in the rights of females. Its my job to protect the future of my daughters

[quote Phobiaphobic]@ilovesooty Yes, keep yourself pure. Don't associate with anyone who might sully your virtue.[/quote]
I thought that the prevailing sentiment was that insulting people and their viewpoints isn't persuasive?

I'm far less concerned by how women are defined than I am about poverty, the growing chasm between rich and poor and societal deprivation.

He has a proven track record of lying.

That's true, but who's lying right now?

The man who says the basic facts of biology matter or the man who says that men can have a cervix?

And which party has been in power for the last 12 years? Whose watch did it happen on?

Agreed, and no one knew what was going on especially as it got hitched to LGB. At least though there has been a little listening now. Also GRA ill thought out in 2004 was Blair I think.

I thought that the prevailing sentiment was that insulting people and their viewpoints isn't persuasive?

It isn't.

But some people are trying to influence others votes and some aren't. So the stakes are very different.

I'm far less concerned by how women are defined than I am about poverty, the growing chasm between rich and poor and societal deprivation.

Why do you think the issues are unconnected?

And which party has been in power for the last 12 years? Whose watch did it happen on?

Unfortunately the government has made mistakes and allowed a lobby group to redefine laws erroneously.

However the Prime Minister of our country, whether you like him or not, made it clear that the law will no longer be misinterpreted and spoke in favour of the protection of women and children.

The interim Cass Report has been published under the current government which urges caution with transitioning minors.

In the meantime the Labour Party thinks women can have penises, support Self ID and will promote a trend of harming children who do not conform to gender stereotypes.

I have more confidence that the Tory Government will take action to roll-back the impact of Stonewall and the misinterpretation it made of Equality Laws than the Labour Party which is intent on doubling down in favour of self ID.

Since the Tories have been in government for 12 years and he hasn't done anything to address women's concerns, and so many events affecting women have happened under his watch I have no belief in his sincerity or conviction now.

@TheKeatingFive

I thought that the prevailing sentiment was that insulting people and their viewpoints isn't persuasive?

It isn't.

But some people are trying to influence others votes and some aren't. So the stakes are very different.

That simply isn’t true. I haven’t seen a single post calculated to change anyone else’s vote. There’s been endless insult on both sides, six of one and half dozen of the other.

The worst thing about this entire debacle is the way it’s turning women against each other. Classic divide and conquer tactics. It worked with Brexit and now we’re seeing a rerun. It’s absolutely heartbreaking.

Smh @ the gullibility on display. When Boris was confronted with Brexit, he admitted making a decision based upon which point of view would serve his political ambitions. Once again, he has spotted a gap in the market and adopted a position to channel the floating voters into the Tory camp. It is not even lying. It is playing politics. He does it well. I think that Carrie would go totally ballistic if he showed any meaningful support for the likes of JK Rowling and others. If it’s going to lay the golden egg, then that’s the goose for Boris ( and chances are that he will get through several geese during a term in office just as he will partners!)

That simply isn’t true. I haven’t seen a single post calculated to change anyone else’s vote.

Nonsense, there are plenty strongly gunning for Labour on here.

The Tories are firmly focused on the next election- hence, a pre- set tax cut in two years time and cabinet members paying lip service to this point of view.

I think that Carrie would go totally ballistic if he showed any meaningful support for the likes of JK Rowling and others.

One of Carrie's best mates has already shown very strong public support for Rowling, so I'm not sure why you think Carrie wouldn't be supportive of this position.

I agree with him too. And the screamingly vocal people crashing all over social media to say it's illegal to discriminate against someone because of their gender- they're not? These bio males say their gender is female. They're not being hypothetically excluded from a women's category because they're female, are they? They're being excluded because they're biological men. You can argue with the social construct of gender all you like. You can't argue with biological fact.

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Re ‘gullibility’ on display.
No one is being particularly gullible.
Boris just said the unsayable about the Emperor’s New Clothes and people are relieved.

It worked with Brexit and now we’re seeing a rerun. It’s absolutely heartbreaking.

Why do you keep blaming Mr Johnson for Mr Starmers policy failing?

Why don't you see that comparing this with Brexit is absurd? Like Brexit Self ID will impose a permanent change that many people, especially women, will find very difficult to live with.

If you can't name women you can't have women's rights.

Once self ID is the law , like Brexit, it will be nigh on impossible to roll back.

Since the Tories have been in government for 12 years and he hasn't done anything to address women's concerns, and so many events affecting women have happened under his watch

At least he can define them.

It's a low bar, I totally agree.

But it puts him head and shoulders ahead of Starmer on this issue.

@TheKeatingFive

That simply isn’t true. I haven’t seen a single post calculated to change anyone else’s vote.

Nonsense, there are plenty strongly gunning for Labour on here.

And vice versa. If you’re going to quote me, please don’t cherry pick.

@Westchesterarms - you are certainly right that I am not a natural Conservative. But I am not Labour either.

Thing is, because I am neither of these things, I really look for results, not words. In my job, I have watched the blind rolling out institutionally of trans policy that appeared not to deal with safeguarding, balance of risk to women and girls, and just the most moronic assessment of "TWAW". If you challenge people on this, they call you a bigot.

It is deeply institutional and in my experience, that power comes from the top in order to change language, change policies, all of which would need the approval of government Ministers. I am glad Johnson said something, but you see, I am not that impressed. The fact is that a lot of Conservatives support this stuff, and it was very harmful. S

I am quite serious when I say I would like him to announce a review of government policy in this area - and put pressure on those who, none to subtly, advanced their careers on the backs of women. A lot of them need to be accountable, and they are not.

I would actually vote for him if he did. But he will not, I suspect, because his colleagues (except for Truss who has been consistent and impressive on this) supported these policies. I would frankly like a few of them to be encouraged to leave government instead immediately.

Why don't you see that comparing this with Brexit is absurd?

Because it’s not. Brexit divided the country and this is dividing women. Like I said, it’s divide and conquer. Oldest tactic in the political book.

And vice versa.

I don't think so, most people in support of Boris' stance here would be very far from natural Tory supporters.

If you’re going to quote me, please don’t cherry pick.

I'll do what I like within guidelines

Like I said, it’s divide and conquer.

I don't disagree, but it isn't the Tories who decided to pit women's rights against trans rights.

@Blossomtoes

Why don't you see that comparing this with Brexit is absurd?

Because it’s not. Brexit divided the country and this is dividing women. Like I said, it’s divide and conquer. Oldest tactic in the political book.

But why are you saying that Mr Johnson stating the obvious, that the emperor has no clothes is the person dividing and conquering rather than Mr Starmer who is lying by claiming that women can have penises?

I think you are wrong about which party is causing this issue. This is on Labour for telling lies and the policy that it plans to introduce to remove women's rights.