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I agree with Boris

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ivykaty44 · 06/04/2022 17:04

trib.al/ov5g0nj I can’t stand the throes but agree with this

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Mumoblue · 07/04/2022 10:37

I get that people are worried what Labour would do- I’m worried I won’t be able to live another few years under Tory rule.

TheKeatingFive · 07/04/2022 10:38

I’m worried I won’t be able to live another few years under Tory rule.

We really need to hold Labour to account for the fact that they've made themselves unelectable for many.

RufusthefIoraImissingreindeer · 07/04/2022 10:39

Thanks scribbling

Worked well for them didn't it

BogRollBOGOF · 07/04/2022 10:40

I'll vote for any party depending on their recent performance and policies. I came close to spoiling my vote last time round, but on looking at my constituency decided that for the long term interest of keeping the deposit and putting future candidates in, I'd hold my nose and vote for the minority party with xxx votes against the safe seat's xx,xxx majority.

Generally I find it interesting to listen to people with different points of view. I can learn from them, it may or may not change my behaviour, but it seems that at every election I have to snooze a core of staunch Labour voters, not because we have different opinions, but because of their hectoring, insulting tone of argument. If Labour and the other parties can understand that a woman is an adult human female, and have a decent set of viable policies, I am can be persuaded to vote for them. But they continue to ignore 51% of the population and dig themselves into the mire and insult those who disagree.

If we can't accept what a woman is, we can't sort out issues like discrepancies in womens health (Shewsbury & Telford maternity scandal, gynae waiting lists being the most heavily affected specialism by post-pandemic waiting lists). Women vote more about policies like education. If we ignore what women are and what they and their children need to thrive, the whole country suffers.
Do I trust the current batch of Tories to sort it out, not really, but the other parties don't stand a chance while they navel gaze and drink TRA kool aid.

Boris Johnson is a shit, but that's pretty transparent. Why are the other leaders so unable to get their act together and present a credible alternative after 12 years of austerity?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/04/2022 10:43

The Lib Dems of course, swimming in support from the electorate and can afford to turn people away. They are even more ideologically hidebound than Labour, with a strong TRA presence.

Mumoblue · 07/04/2022 10:48

@TheKeatingFive

Well, yeah. We also need to hold the Tories to account for the current crisis but that’s not happening either.
I’m not saying it’s an easy choice, especially with this issue cropping up again and again but in the end I have to vote for the party that’s less likely to see me starve.

ScrollingLeaves · 07/04/2022 10:50

It’s the whiff of ideology and propagandist language that is insupportable imo. especially in schools and the NHS

TheKeatingFive · 07/04/2022 10:51

I’m not saying it’s an easy choice, especially with this issue cropping up again and again but in the end I have to vote for the party that’s less likely to see me starve.

Of course. I don't think anyone's saying you shouldn't vote for whoever you need to.

It is a terrible shame that it has come to this.

Turningpurple · 07/04/2022 10:54

@Mumoblue

I get that people are worried what Labour would do- I’m worried I won’t be able to live another few years under Tory rule.
I understand that. My partner is disabled and it's a concern.

However, seeing the treatment of my daughter, who is gay, by the groups that are meant to support her (and the huge impact that has had on her mental health) makes me afraid for her and her life too.

That's the problem. Lots of us are sat trying to decide which loved one we throw under the bus.

That's not the fault of voters.

HarrietPierce7 · 07/04/2022 10:56

Johnson has made that statement for political expediency. He doesn't give a flying fuck about the situation but he's realised it maybe a vote winner.

caringcarer · 07/04/2022 10:56

I also agree with Boris and Liz Truss on this and I'm pleased they have given a straightforward response. Also do think Boris is doing well with Ukrainian situation too. UK is helping more than most EU countries.

Turningpurple · 07/04/2022 10:57

@HarrietPierce7

Johnson has made that statement for political expediency. He doesn't give a flying fuck about the situation but he's realised it maybe a vote winner.
Which is the same reason Keir Starmer has his position, is it not?

Its the same on both sides.

TheKeatingFive · 07/04/2022 10:58

Johnson has made that statement for political expediency. He doesn't give a flying fuck about the situation but he's realised it maybe a vote winner.

Of course. But he's only scoring the enormous open goal that Starmer has left for him.

And Christ almighty, winning votes is what they're supposed to do. It's their job. Have the left just lost sight of this fact entirely?

caringcarer · 07/04/2022 11:01

I personally think trans people should compete against each other in sport. Their own little Olympics. There are becoming more and more trans people so it makes sense.

HRTQueen · 07/04/2022 11:02

Well the left can claim that votes don’t matter what does is being morally superior

Except only they believe in their nonsense

Vanderpump · 07/04/2022 11:04

I'm at the point of not having a party that I can support and vote for

HashtagShitShop · 07/04/2022 11:10

Personally I believe that Boris does believe in what he says. But I don't believe it's for the political reasons he has spun it as, I believe its more the prejudice side of him that sees Muslim women as letter boxes and other offensive things he's spouted rather than backing women as women. I believe a spin doctor has seized his opinion and taught him the 'politically correct way' to phrase it because its a hot topic and they know that it would be a vote winner against Labour.

However, as a northern 24/7 unpaid female carer for a disabled mother who have both been shit on from great heights by both the Conservative government and my first term Conservative mp (previously a Labour stronghold) who makes the rules up as she goes, is only seen when the press or tory ministers are around, literally bold face lies to the press and pm about what the main issues of the area are to suit her arse kissing agenda..... Never ever ever would I vote tory.

Essentially I'm politically homeless.

SpinningTheSeedsOfLove · 07/04/2022 11:11

@Hasselhoffsheadband

An awful lot of people will suffer if the tories have another stint in power.

So Labour need to pull their fucking finger out of their arse then don't they?

Because women just aren't going to vote for a party who are openly telling them 'we don't give a shit about you and we don't need your vote from people like you anyway'.

Yes to this post. It encapsulates the anger and despair that I feel about the Labour Party on women's rights. The fucking Labour Party ffs.

Harriet Taylor Mill must be spinning. More than me, even.

LouisRenault · 07/04/2022 11:18

he's realised it maybe a vote winner.

In order to form a government, a party needs to win an election.

In order to win an election, they need to persuade people to vote for them

In order to persuade people to vote for them, they need to come up with policies that are popular with voters. That is, vote winners.

(Someone needs to explain this to Keir Starmer.)

Lynnthesearesexnotgenderpeople · 07/04/2022 11:25

@HarrietPierce7

Johnson has made that statement for political expediency. He doesn't give a flying fuck about the situation but he's realised it maybe a vote winner.
I'm kind of laughing at all the people who think they are so clever for seeing through Boris and realising that he has only said this to win votes. Of course he has, that's hardly astute political analysis to understand that.

The problem is, Labour is saying the exact opposite of the things that will win them votes!

Phobiaphobic · 07/04/2022 11:31

@SpinningTheSeedsOfLove

Yes Johnson is a shit who has presided over an unprecedented erosion of women's rights and damage to children.

But look at it this way - women in the UK, frequently co-ordinating and triangulating via MN, have forced their own Prime Minister to make a statement on what is happening.

The cat is now out of the bag.

There can be no more back room deals for MPs like Crispin Blunt. No more misuse of the despatch box by MPs like Penny Mordaunt to trumpet TWAW and TMAM apropos of nothing and to the bewilderment of many.

The cat is out of the bag and running down the road.

And women in other countries can use this UK model for fighting back. They can see what works, what doesn't, where the arguments and the images hit home, and where they don't, where the law can and should be used, and where it is weak, where regulators can be involved, and where they can't.

The cat has run up Millbank and is climbing Big Ben.

This. I'm so proud of British women, and the men who have fought for them.
Couchbettato · 07/04/2022 11:34

Turningpurple could not have put it better myself.

I was raised by a feminist woman who instilled feminist core values in me from a young age, however in my adulthood she's been shown to be a more liberal feminist who sees this particular issue as a non-issue, or perhaps cares less in her older age.

We're poor as chips and have voted Labour entirely in local and general elections. We're still poor.

I've personal encounters of the negative side effects of the TWAW mantra and it's highly important to me that women are recognised in law as adult human females, but it's also really important to me that I can eat, that I can feed my son, that my mental health is taken seriously, that my employment rights are upheld. But how can my sex based rights at work be upheld if people can merely identify into women? After all most of my work grievances so far have been because I am, indeed, a woman. From issues during pregnancy and pregnancy loss to maternity leave and even my job posting after maternity leave and breastfeeding.

Who do I throw under the bus? My family? My nan, who is 70 and still works full time to support us, the poor working younger generations? My mum? My son, who's education and access to additional support relies heavily on acknowledging we're a working class family, or women?

I'm so glad what has been said, got said. I'm just troubled it came out of Boris.

Phobiaphobic · 07/04/2022 11:35

@Turningpurple

I have no idea how I will vote. I have time.

However, I can't believe so many people think they make a good point by insulting people.

Hasn't worked in the last view general elections or with Brexit.why would it work now?

They never learn, because in their heads they are virtuous and morally superior so anything they say or do is just fine.
standupsitdownturnaround · 07/04/2022 11:35

I agree with Boris.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/04/2022 11:35

Johnson has made that statement for political expediency. He doesn't give a flying fuck about the situation but he's realised it maybe a vote winner

It seems most people with sense realise this perfectly well, but what's less clear is the purpose of Starmer's stance. No doubt it'll secure the backing of noisy activists and the extreme left, but that's not going to be enough to win an election is it?

It really is disturbing to see how far he's clearly in hock to these people and it's about time it stopped, if only so that we could have a proper opposition