I agree with Boris

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trib.al/ov5g0nj I can’t stand the throes but agree with this

Yes, a lot of 'what ifs' and hypothetical situations

I’m sorry. Do you think women being raped in prisons and hospital wards is a ‘hypothetical’ situation? The safeguarding of women and children being ignored for mens feelings? Do they not count as vulnerable members of society?

And yes, this snuck in under a Tory government. But they seem to be the only ones waking up to what this ideology means, and the ONLY ones not fully endorsing it.

I was on a thread recently where at one point a poster said they used to vote tory but are now ashamed of doing that and want to vote differently moving on

You’d think that would be quite a positive, cue posters saying how great it was that she had finally come round, filling a thread with positive information with how great labour are and what they are going to do with the country

Nope, mainly just insults telling her how stupid she was and how much damage she had done by voting tory

Thats all some of these posters have, no information about labour or alternative parties just insults and hyperbole

(And no….I’m not voting tory)

Someone on one of these threads was smart enough to refer to Sun Tzu's golden bridge to bring your enemies over to your side. And that the sports scandal will help people to walk away from gender woo. I agree with that.
I also think this is the Tory version of that. It allows people to feel ok about supporting Johnson again after all his shit. Or not voting Labour which amounts to Tory electoral success.
Why are Labour so fucking stupid? They won in 1997 (and twice more after) because they gave undecided people a reason to vote Labour. They persist with self ID or de facto Self ID and they are back in the wilderness. Maybe for ever. And everyone who is going to suffer under the Tories (all of us to varying degrees) should blame them.

Yes, a lot of 'what ifs' and hypothetical situations

The defining of women out of existence isn't a hypothetical situation and is the sort of thing that might directly affect you much after the fact.

I was going to vote Labour for the first time (council elections coming up) but have gone back to Tory. The men in women's sport is the 'most blatantly obvious on where the truth lies' issue there has ever been imv. Sorry Labour you are being cowards against twitterati risks etc

It snuck in under a Tory government but Labour, as the Opposition, is supposed to be looking out for damn fool policies like this. It's supposed to be the guard dog.

And guaranteed whether or not a trans woman can compete with other women in a cycling competition is the last thing on their minds

They'd probably care if their daughter was in the race as well

Well, unlike most on here, my DD did race bicycles, track, road and time trials and we'd both be incensed if a trans women was allowed to compete... they are taking a place away from a female athlete regardless of who wins the race.

However, its the UCI that has banned them competing in 'cycle races NOT Boris who has zero respect for women or the children he has sired.

So anyone one who is genuinely interested in womens rights, nailing their colours to his mast is probably going to be disappointed.

He says what is expedient at the time, its the hall mark of a populist, i judge him on what he & his party in Govt has done for women and children, chucking 300k children into absolute poverty together with primarily their mothers too, means no matter what he says on Trans, its always trumped by his actions.

This quote was in The Times piece: 'a government source said that privately Conservative MPs had been pushing for the previous government policy to be abandoned. “I have never seen so many MPs lobby against a particular policy than [the trans conversion ban],” the source said. Genuinely huge numbers of Tory MPs really worried about it." '
So I'm hoping that his statement is something the vast majority of the Conservative Party agrees with, no matter who is leader. It certainly seems to be.

So anyone one who is genuinely interested in womens rights, nailing their colours to his mast is probably going to be disappointed.

It's not really about any of this though, is it? If people nail their colours to the opposition's mast they're totally sunk.

Support for Boris isn't coming from a belief that he's pro woman's rights, but relief that someone is able to state basic facts on this issue

They can campaign for third gender neutral spaces, a private hospital room if they don’t want to be on a male ward, a third category in sport, a separate wing in a male prison etc (Quote)

Women’s spaces should be off limits. And I don’t care how many mantrums on Twitter that statement would cause

Exactly.
Gender Neutral spaces - but keep Women’s spaces separate from men.

Women need protection against predators who can just say “ I’m identifying as a woman now” to get an open sesame to Women’s and girl’s spaces.

My hope is: Boris stating this, to an enormously positive and relieved reaction, will hopefully affect the stupidity and misogyny of Labour and Lib Dems.

They must redeem themselves. Or they’re sunk.

hmm ,. and if i remember rightly the intellect of many trump supporters was called into question and his presidency was farce
its not for nothing that johnson and trump shared some similarites or should that be quite a few ? and of course they both got on very well

we have our own clown running the country , the difference is americans got theirs out . england is dumb enough to vote theirs back in again

I thought we worked out in about 2018 that this wasn't the way to win hearts and minds?

I thought we worked out in about 2018 that this wasn't the way to win hearts and minds?

Apparently not no 🤦‍♀️

@Callipygion

You are aware Boris Johnson is a habitual liar aren’t you. I wouldn’t believe a word that that man utters, he probably really thinks the opposite but is just saying what he thinks you want to hear to put HIMSELF in a good light.

This is utterly hilarious. The opposite is said about starmer. Starmer is lying, of course he really knows what a woman is, just vote him in and then try to change the policies. Hes only saying twaw because he thinks that's the kind thing to do and we all want to hear it.

Just funny hearing the same in reverse about boris.

If things continue with the same momentum as they are now then I do think that Labour will have to rethink things before the next election. However, so much damage has already been done. When they thought it might be a vote winner, the Labour Party were willing to completely shit on women, willing to basically erase women in law (if any man can legally become a woman with no gatekeeping), and Labour politicians openly said that they didn't believe that women were entitled to any single sex spaces and that they didn't need the votes of 'bigots'.

That is a lot to come back from. We now know that all of the 'good guy' rhetoric from Labour is just totally performative bollocks, they despise us just as much as every other bloody party does.

It will continue

Its will now be Labour’s Achilles heel.

Labour will have to make a choice. I don’t have faith in Starmer to make the right choice one that I believe is right anyway and secondly one which will not drive away voters

@Bignanny30

We can’t say that transgender is okay on one hand and then say that those who have transgendered can’t take part in their chosen sport or career.

@Bignanny30

Sports are sex separated for a reason.

A male on medication to alter hormone levels can still take part in sport in their own sex class.

A female on medication to alter hormone levels is excluded from taking part in sport in their own sex class as performance enhancing drugs are banned.

What career paths are males excluded from?
What career paths are females excluded from?

If you are referring to career paths which require person to person contact and consent. Then explain how the need to obtain consent or no consent (eg the police and prison service staff can strip search a female without her consent) is to be managed.

I will vote Conservative for the first time it Labour continue down this path.

Wow. Given the absolute shitshow of the country whilst he is in power, the massive number of people in or facing poverty, the way disabled people are being treated, the clear disdain for the nation as he partied whilst nobody could visit their loved ones a they died in hospital, the massive contracts handed to his friends for services which never materialised, and the Gray report finding a “Serious failure of leadership”, despite all that, you would vote for conservative because he made one comment about this? He hasn’t made a policy or a ruling, he just answered a question he was asked, and happened to say a word salad that matches your view on this, and that will make you vote for him?

An awful lot of people will suffer if the tories have another stint in power.

he just answered a question he was asked, and happened to say a word salad that matches your view on this, and that will make you vote for him?

I don't think you understand what word salad means.

He gave a clear, scientifically sound answer, in direct contrast to the actual word salad offered up by Starmer. This is exactly what many people were waiting to hear.

You are really going to have to try and get your head around this rather than just berating people. Politics 101.

It's so infuriating. Labour have allowed Boris to become the hero, the little boy that broke the spell and pointed out that the emperor had no clothes.

They've shown they are going to put ideology over reality, to not say what the truth is, and we know they know the truth, to win votes. When it comes to running the country I'm afraid I'll choose reality.

An awful lot of people will suffer if the tories have another stint in power.

So Labour need to pull their fucking finger out of their arse then don't they?

Because women just aren't going to vote for a party who are openly telling them 'we don't give a shit about you and we don't need your vote from people like you anyway'.

He knows he's losing popularity and will now say anything to gain voters. The man is a habitual liar. I will never ever vote conservative, they are morally repugnant.

Yes Johnson is a shit who has presided over an unprecedented erosion of women's rights and damage to children.

But look at it this way - women in the UK, frequently co-ordinating and triangulating via MN, have forced their own Prime Minister to make a statement on what is happening.

The cat is now out of the bag.

There can be no more back room deals for MPs like Crispin Blunt. No more misuse of the despatch box by MPs like Penny Mordaunt to trumpet TWAW and TMAM apropos of nothing and to the bewilderment of many.

The cat is out of the bag and running down the road.

And women in other countries can use this UK model for fighting back. They can see what works, what doesn't, where the arguments and the images hit home, and where they don't, where the law can and should be used, and where it is weak, where regulators can be involved, and where they can't.

The cat has run up Millbank and is climbing Big Ben.

I agree CoConut but on this issue he's right. Labour are a train wreck and seriously can't be trusted with our votes on this issue. Not something I usually say, but I agree with Boris.

Wonderful thought Spinning!