I agree with Boris

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trib.al/ov5g0nj I can’t stand the throes but agree with this

I wonder how many Partygate fines are due to be dished out tomorrow? Because this looks like a dead cat to me.

@TheKeatingFive I’m truly relieved to actually hear someone actually say this out loud. I’ve felt like I’m going insane. I see myself as really open minded and accepting of others but really cannot get my head round the very real impact of a biological male claiming to be a woman. I’m fine with someone being a trans woman just not a woman.

it would be very uncomfortable for someone who is trans to be on a ward other than that of the gender they identify as.
Why does their comfort trump that of women?

I haven’t clicked the link to the video but I think I know exactly what you’re referring to as it came up on my YouTube feed earlier. I feel exactly the same and I’m so disgusted with myself I’m going for a shower.

(Still wouldn’t vote for them though).

@SpinningTheSeedsOfLove

it would be very uncomfortable for someone who is trans to be on a ward other than that of the gender they identify as

And what about my discomfort and that of the hundreds of thousands of biological women passing through the hands of the NHS every year?

Are we of absolutely no consequence here? I do not want to share female spaces with males, and the EHRC guidance says I don't have to in hospital wards. The 'trans' is irrelevant. It's about the 'male'.

Third spaces are needed, or men need to be more tolerant.

(Obviously I am happy to share spaces with biological females, however they present.)

This!

So fed up of hearing that Transwomen feeling uncomfortable is so much more important than biological women being uncomfortable. Or biological females being pushed our of female spaces.

As long as transwomen feel comfortable, the rest doesn't matter

@FishfingersAndCustard86

Funny.

Only ever see one side of this debate flinging personal insults at others for their voting choices.

Wonder why that is.

Yes

And in some of the most patronising, supercilious posts

The problem with letting it influence your vote is that once he's been voted back into power his interest in the whole issue with women's safe spaces and women's sports and everything else connected with women's rights will likely just fade away.

If then, he decides trans rights will make him more popular then that's what he'll be espousing.

He's got form for jumping on whatever issue suits his purpose at the time. He's an amoral liar, completely untrustworthy.

He was extremely pro Europe until he wasn't.

@Attictroll

He's right but can't vote for the party of austerity and partygate. I think he knows it will make sense to a wide group. Also Carrie seems like she gets the issue tbh.

I can’t vote Tory, either- but unless the other Parties step up and stop this unfair advantage, people will be voting Conservative as they feel so strongly about keeping men out of Women’s sports and women only spaces.

If you're hitching your hopes on that prick to get legislation to protect women spaces, good luck with that.

We don’t need any new legislation, it’s already there, The Equality Act!
Stonewall and other bastards have deliberately misrepresented this law to bodies such as NHS, Police, education, etc etc etc. and they’ve got away with it for now.
All Johnson is doing is clarifying what the law already says and if Labour cannot do that, they don’t deserve to be in power. I actually loathe Johnson and the conservatives but I will not vote for a party which will not protect and support the rights of women and girls.

@Runaway1

Me too. A very uncomfortable place to be!

Me too and yes it's uncomfortable. But on this one Boris is spot on.

Men feeling uncomfortable bothers me not one tiny little bit.

@SpinningTheSeedsOfLove

it would be very uncomfortable for someone who is trans to be on a ward other than that of the gender they identify as

And what about my discomfort and that of the hundreds of thousands of biological women passing through the hands of the NHS every year?

Are we of absolutely no consequence here? I do not want to share female spaces with males, and the EHRC guidance says I don't have to in hospital wards. The 'trans' is irrelevant. It's about the 'male'.

Third spaces are needed, or men need to be more tolerant.

(Obviously I am happy to share spaces with biological females, however they present.)

There needs to be a campaign from transwomen towards males to be more tolerant, so that transwomen don't feel 'unsafe' in spaces based on their sex. Call me cynical but....

He’s right.

@HRTQueen
You see, he hasn’t though. The trans debate is just another chapter in the so called “culture wars” which pits about 5% of adults on the fringe left - eg, “the woke brigade” - against 5% on the fringe right, eg the hard brexiters and food banks are wonderful lot.

The vast majority of the country meanwhile couldn’t give a toss about those issues. Which is why both Labour and the Tories try to avoid talking about them as much as possible - as there’s virtually zero political capital to be made from them except with the fringe 10% - but saying something daft will give opponents ammunition.

Anyway, the electorate - the sane/boring 90% at least, will vote on the economy, taxes, public services and housing - same as always. IE the boring shit that actually improves or destroys peoples lives. Not the culture wars bollocks.

Currently Labour are polling around 40% and the Tories 35%, which would probably translate to Labour most seats, but some ways off a majority.

I loathe Johnson and I loathe the Tories, and I won't vote for them.

But he's not wrong is he? I mean, it's fucking obvious to anyone who isn't a massive lunatic or ideologue that men shouldn't be in women's sport and children shouldn't be damaged.

Much as I hate to admit it ... I agree with Boris too .... (ooo .. that feels a bit strange ....)

I suspect that this whole thing is actually a relatively low number of very loud activists who have made the public believe that women are under attack from trans women. I know nobody in real life who is even remotely concerned by this hysterical issue

Yes of course, six of us with socks. Next you'll be saying we are funded by the right wing or Christian evangelicals or the like. Then we get a full house with the "hysterical" misogyny.

Wow all these things all six of us never even thought about for the last 18+ years while this whole issue has been bubbling along.

Do any of you realise that if self id becomes law, all womens issues disappear.

The pay gap, well if all the staff in a company are female and "female" there is no gap.

How many women in poverty, halved instantly, because men who Id as women will also be counted in the stats.
1in 5 women raped/sexually assaulted becomes 1 in 2, instant crime lowering.
Female cancers halved already because "people" get breast cancer.
Male prison estate usually has 14000 men in it, if they all decide to be female, and going by studies done it's very possible, then so many times fewer crimes committed by men, great women can walk the streets at night. Oh wait no, maybe not.

VAWG no such thing it's all women on women violence, no need at all for refuges for women any more, no need for police to be notified, it's nothing, just a spat between the ladies.
You think of your favourite soap box issue. If it involves women, it will be affected.

Anyway, the electorate - the sane/boring 90% at least, will vote on the economy, taxes, public services and housing - same as always. IE the boring shit that actually improves or destroys peoples lives. Not the culture wars bollocks

Spot on.

@Stellaris22

It's worrying that the cost of living crisis and everything the Tories have done to destroy peoples lives and shamelessly bend the rules for themselves can be so easily ignored.

Everyone has different priorities, but to vote for a party that has behaved appallingly and ignored people suffering with rising bills is hard to hear.

This.

He's saying what people want to hear ( he's right though).

Because he knows it'll get votes despite everything else they've done wrong.

This is being said now on the day of NI increase and week they are being fined.

@oakleaffy
When it comes down to it, the vast vast majority of people will care far more about the cost of food. And being able to heat their homes. And NHS waiting lists. And their kids being able to find a job and a place to live.

@Blossomtoes

I believe in saying what you mean *@TheKeatingFive*. Words matter.

Starmer has said what he believes and he has said that he wants self ID and a ban on trans therapies. He's said that he backs these things and he will bring them in if in power. He means it. His words matter necause they mean an undermining of all women's rights and he is not rethinking his position on anything.

@pigsDOfly

The problem with letting it influence your vote is that once he's been voted back into power his interest in the whole issue with women's safe spaces and women's sports and everything else connected with women's rights will likely just fade away.

If then, he decides trans rights will make him more popular then that's what he'll be espousing.

He's got form for jumping on whatever issue suits his purpose at the time. He's an amoral liar, completely untrustworthy.

He was extremely pro Europe until he wasn't.

And doesn't that make you even more angry with Labour and all the other political parties for fucking it all up and selling women's rights down the river?

Because I'm bloody furious Labour has handed this to Johnson. Ffs.

God it pains me to say it but I agree with Boris on this subject too.
What kind of world are we living in where Boris is the voice of reason (on this topic anyway).

I can't vote Tory though, but I also can't vote Green, Labour, Lib Dem.

Captain Buckethead (or whatever he was called!) it is then!

@Proudboomer

Not a fan but if he is the only one who is going to protect Womens rights , sports and spaces then I will hold my nose and give him my vote.

The cynic in me says he is so desperate he would support mass murderers if there were enough mass murderers to vote Tory (and stop the disaster that the local elections are going to be in a couple of weeks) . He has decided to notice women because some overpaid intern has written a paper telling him woke fifteen year olds don’t vote ,there are more women than brave and stunning trans people , and a lot of women are upset and might vote against their Tory candidates if he doesn’t make the right sort of noises.

Good...We're not living in Saudi. It's biologically impossible and functionally unnecessary our our society to change sex, you can be who you want to be regardless of gender.

It's cheating.