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I agree with Boris

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ivykaty44 · 06/04/2022 17:04

trib.al/ov5g0nj I can’t stand the throes but agree with this

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ArtVandalay · 06/04/2022 19:48

100%. At last someone has the bollocks to say it.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 06/04/2022 19:49

I don't like him and I think he talks a lot of baloney. But not on this. Best thing he's ever said.

Wedonttalkaboutrats · 06/04/2022 19:50

@Bignanny30

We can’t say that transgender is okay on one hand and then say that those who have transgendered can’t take part in their chosen sport or career.
Huh? Um yes we can. In exactly the same way we can say we love bananas but we wouldn’t use them in a strawberry daiquiri.
cocacolalover56 · 06/04/2022 19:50

@ivykaty44

trib.al/ov5g0nj I can’t stand the throes but agree with this
honestly same ... I'm a big boris fan Blush
chaosrabbitland · 06/04/2022 19:50

yes he is right and i do agree with him , however this does not change the fact that i think hes an inept bumbling lier and it sure as hell does not mean id vote conservative , the party of austerity , where they are rich and we are all ok to be poor as fuck struggling to make ends meet whilst taxes get hiked even higher to pay for social care and our wondrous nhs , except of course they wont , the money will just vanish into a black pit of nothingness and give it 2 years and care for the elderly will still be just as poor , the nhs still just as crap .

the housing crisis will still be the same , it was this party that sold off huge amounts of council stock under thatcher , and cameron revived it and even tried to force housing associations to do it as well , so more and more lower income vulnerable familes forced out of the extortionate private rental market , residing in temp accomodation up and down the country whilst they wait for councils to get them a place .

boatloads of economic migrants coming into dover every other week or in good weather by the day and put up in hotels , costing a fortune to be kept , probably only a handfull of them actual refugees fleeing danger , but our goverment still have no plan how to process them quickly and deport them , but ukrainien ones fleeing danger have to wait ages or jump through hoops to be allowed to come in .

sorry i dont give a fuck if boris johnson knows what woman is and keir starmer appears not to or wont say , i want a goverment that isnt a shambolic embarressment and cares about the people of the uk . i want things to get better and all the while people vote tory because boris got brexit done and now oh he knows what a woman is they fucking wont !

Tilltheend99 · 06/04/2022 19:53

@Mnusernc

Are we actually going to have to vote Tory? Do Labour hate us that much?
Because a guy who cheated on his wife while she was undergoing cancer treatment and can say how many kids he has is a real champion of women’s rights.

Vote for who you want but let’s not pretend that the torrid are progressive on anything.

Plus his neighbours reported him for potential DV www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/police-called-to-loud-altercation-at-boris-johnsons-home

Mumoftwoinprimary · 06/04/2022 19:53

@Bignanny30

We can’t say that transgender is okay on one hand and then say that those who have transgendered can’t take part in their chosen sport or career.
But they can! Just a few weeks ago Emily Bridges was racing in the BUSA. She was dressed as Emily, calling herself Emily and racing in the men’s race. And winning. And being embraced by her (seemingly) completely accepting teammates.

Now Emily Bridges almost certainly can’t become a pro cyclist because she was dropped by British Cycling pre transition. Because she wasn’t quick enough. Like the thousands of other people who also have a male sexed body who went before her and thousands will come after her.

British cycling are bloody brutal. They have to be. It is how they win all those medals.

It doesn’t mean Emily can’t have a great time for the rest of her life enjoying cycling. She just can’t race as a woman.

Tilltheend99 · 06/04/2022 19:53

*can’t

Checkandcheckagain · 06/04/2022 19:53

As long ago as 1973 people who started out as male who had surgery to change gender were then nursed on female wards. I think that was the correct decision.

WeCouldBeSpearows · 06/04/2022 19:54

It's terrifying how many people seem to be quick to base their vote on one soundbite. Something that he's never expressed before. Something that he's not discussed in parliament, or is seeking to legislate on as far as we can tell. And he has, conveniently said it just before council elections when his opposition is getting criticised for saying the opposite.

He's devious. And people have fallen for it.

namethattunein1 · 06/04/2022 19:56

@WeCouldBeSpearows

It's terrifying how many people seem to be quick to base their vote on one soundbite. Something that he's never expressed before. Something that he's not discussed in parliament, or is seeking to legislate on as far as we can tell. And he has, conveniently said it just before council elections when his opposition is getting criticised for saying the opposite.

He's devious. And people have fallen for it.

OR some -people are thick as pig shit.....
DrSbaitso · 06/04/2022 19:56

@ZaZathecat

There are more important issues at stake in the next election though, like not leaving the poor and vulnerable to starve.
Indeed, so surely Labour will not push on with self ID if it loses it too many votes, right?

I had this conversation on here the other day. Needless to say, it's only ever the opposition on this issue that should get over it and overlook it for the greater good.

Cait33 · 06/04/2022 19:56

@somewhereoverthechipshop

I do too. He’s an arse and I am not a conservative voter and never have been...however I’m relieved someone had the balls to say it.
Totally agree that a) Boris is an arse and b) he's right on this occasion but I fear it was stupidity rather than balls that made him say it. 🙄
EvilGoldfish · 06/04/2022 19:58

As long ago as 1973 people who started out as male who had surgery to change gender

@Checkandcheckagain are you aware of what’s going on? There used to be vanishingly few men who were, as per the ‘old fashioned’ term, transsexual. They tended to be gay men, who usually had surgery.

Self-ID means that people like Phillip Bunce can identify as a woman one day, win ‘woman of the year in business’ award, then pop back to being a man again the day after.

Turningpurple · 06/04/2022 19:58

@Bignanny30

We can’t say that transgender is okay on one hand and then say that those who have transgendered can’t take part in their chosen sport or career.
Of course we can

Why would you think we can't?

Why would you think it's OK for biological females to be told they can't play in their chosen sport because their place went to a biological male?

JaneJeffer · 06/04/2022 19:58

@Checkandcheckagain

As long ago as 1973 people who started out as male who had surgery to change gender were then nursed on female wards. I think that was the correct decision.
Surgery is not a requirement any more. A man should not be on a womens' ward.
HRTQueen · 06/04/2022 19:58

In the last week it’s become a political hot topic

Good it should be

We want to hear what our politicians think about the issue.

And we now know the opinions of the leaders of the two main parties. One has chosen to sit on the fence to not upset a small group of people and one hasn’t

BanditoShipman · 06/04/2022 19:59

@Pyri

Yes it’s frightening

First the Daily Mail

Now Boris

Just need Piers Morgan to pop his odious little head up to say something we agree with and it will be a full house

Don’t want to give anyone a heart attack but Piers did an article recently standing up for JK Rowling! Never thought I’d agree with him on anything! And now I agree with Boris too!

Bizarre times we live in

BringMeTea · 06/04/2022 19:59

Me too! Depressing as hell that it is not universally supported by mps.

TheKeatingFive · 06/04/2022 19:59

As long ago as 1973 people who started out as male who had surgery to change gender

How would having surgery enable you to change gender?

FishfingersAndCustard86 · 06/04/2022 19:59

Funny.

Only ever see one side of this debate flinging personal insults at others for their voting choices.

Wonder why that is.

DrSbaitso · 06/04/2022 20:00

@Bignanny30

We can’t say that transgender is okay on one hand and then say that those who have transgendered can’t take part in their chosen sport or career.
Nobody has said this. Trans athletes can still compete in their correct sex class. Sex and gender are separate things and bodies race, not identities.

They may be too shit to shine in their correct sex class but so are most people. That's what competitive sport is all about.

forinborin · 06/04/2022 20:00

As someone originally from Ukraine, I find myself more and more of a Boris fan.
I wanted to bring here some pieces of art where grateful Ukrainian artists depict Boris in very romantised / heroic settings... but MN is probably not ready for that yet.

Weirdwonders · 06/04/2022 20:01

He waited until the public opinion on this was clear then jumped in. Never a leader, always a follower. Can’t give him that much credit, sorry.

TheKeatingFive · 06/04/2022 20:02

It's terrifying how many people seem to be quick to base their vote on one soundbite

I find it more terrifying that Labour are ignorant of basic biological facts and incapable of listening to women on this issue.

Horses for courses, huh?