To be finished with voting Tory

[Viviennemary]

I've voted Tory in the last couple of elections. Didn't like Corbyn and thought Keir Stammer was a bit feeble. But after that smug performance by Sunak I am totally not going to vote Tory for a very long time. We are now in a position not to be affected too much by recent rises. Not always been that way of course. I wonder if others are feeling the same. But the lack of any sort of help for less well off people makes me absolutely sick. And all decided by a multi millionaire.

@DrSbaitso

Well, if it's not an issue that affects their votes, they can do what they like and you don't have to tell Mumsnet users what to do about it. It's completely insignificant and irrelevant to the discourse.

Sure, which is why I wasn't the one who started talking about trans people.

There is a small cohort who think their hobby horse is the main driver for lots of voters. It simply isn't.

The vast majority of people will vote based on cost of living, economic opportunities, housing, healthcare etc.

@Vanderpump

There is no such thing as cis women we are women

If we need a prefix, I think real works better for me than cis.

I think the cost of living and financial concerns primarily drive most people's votes. Also social concerns, education and law and order.

Sure, which is why I wasn't the one who started talking about trans people.

No, someone else did. But people aren't bringing it up because it's a relevant issue to voters. And your response, attempting to shut down anyone's concerns as "morally repugnant" and stupid was also because of what a non-issue this is.

Anyway, I did mean it when I said sorry to Sooty earlier, so I'll leave it there.

What took you so long to notice OP? The Tories are what they've always been, doing what they've always done. Are you complaining now because it's finally your own pocket they've got their sticky fingers in? Join the club, it's got a lot of members.

They haven't got their fingers in my pocket. And partygate was the beginning of my distrust of them. But this failure to be concerned with the effects of the cost of living rises is not acceptable. I'm finished with them. I hope they get a roasting in the May elections.

@ilovesooty
gosh thank you - I was expecting to be torn down for being naïve for so long. I suppose that could still happen, this is MN after all.
I have been very honest about my vote with everyone I know, most of whom are Liberal or Green voters. I don't think that there should be any stigma attached to someone admitting that they are wrong and trying to improve.
I feel gutted that I had such faith and in the Conservatives for so long.

I expect they'll get a kicking in May. But people will go back to them in the General Election , like a dog returning to its vomit.

Imagine hating trans people so much that you're ready to ruin your own life over it.

Imagine being so logically challenged that you can’t comprehend that stating the fact people can't change sex, and wanting to safeguard women's spaces, does not mean that you 'hate' people who wish to present as members of the opposite sex.

Imagine thinking it's unreasonable not to want to elect politicians who pretend (you can't possibly believe people like Keir Starmer is incapable of identifying a woman) that they don't know what a woman is in order to placate a small, vocal minority, even though women make up 51% of the population.

@Abhannmor

I expect they'll get a kicking in May. But people will go back to them in the General Election , like a dog returning to its vomit.

If people return to vote Tory it’ll be largely because they don’t know what the alternative is. I’m reasonably politically engaged and I genuinely couldn’t tell you what Labour’s policies for housing, the economy, the cost of living crisis, education, law enforcement etc are. And if I don’t know, then the millions of people who won’t or can’t read white papers and manifestos certainly don’t know. How are they supposed to know whether Labour would be a better government or not? Labour are asleep at the wheel, why aren’t they taking this opportunity to be more vocal about how they intend to solve key issues? Why aren’t party members holding them to account in it? I really am baffled by it.

@QuirkyTurtle

Imagine hating trans people so much that you're ready to ruin your own life over it.

Even if you really believe that some people won’t vote Labour because they “hate” trans people, surely you have to acknowledge that Labour’s position on the issue is untenable for many other groups? The UK has a sizeable BAME population and whilst ethnic minority communities have tended, broadly, to historically vote Labour more often than Tory, the Labour party continues to assume that they’ll always have the majority of the BAME vote blindly; but seem not to realise that many BAME communities are more socially conservative and more religious and woke Labour policies are in direct conflict with their culture and beliefs. They don’t want their elderly mother being called a bigot because she objects to a trans woman carer; women for whom sharing intimate space with an unrelated male is against their religious beliefs don’t want to share a hospital ward with a man who says he feels like a woman; boys identifiying as girls and thinking they have the right to use female toilets and changing rooms is not going to go down well amongst parents in a school where most girls wear a hijab.

Even if you really believe that some people won’t vote Labour because they “hate” trans people, surely you have to acknowledge that Labour’s position on the issue is untenable for many other groups? The UK has a sizeable BAME population and whilst ethnic minority communities have tended, broadly, to historically vote Labour more often than Tory, the Labour party continues to assume that they’ll always have the majority of the BAME vote blindly; but seem not to realise that many BAME communities are more socially conservative and more religious and woke Labour policies are in direct conflict with their culture and beliefs. They don’t want their elderly mother being called a bigot because she objects to a trans woman carer; women for whom sharing intimate space with an unrelated male is against their religious beliefs don’t want to share a hospital ward with a man who says he feels like a woman; boys identifiying as girls and thinking they have the right to use female toilets and changing rooms is not going to go down well amongst parents in a school where most girls wear a hijab.

That's a good point and I hadn't considered that. To be honest I'm talking out of my arse mostly because I'm an immigrant with no voting rights so I don't follow it closely enough.

But can't say I feel sorry for Tory voters who complain about not being able to live while simultaneously shooting themselves in the foot.

Google is free

labour.org.uk/policy-guide-2019/policy-guide-at-a-glance/

This demonstrates the reality of just how much the Conservatives care about women -
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-60941950

Flummoxed every election at people voting for them.
So no.

[quote Butteryflakycrust83]Google is free

labour.org.uk/policy-guide-2019/policy-guide-at-a-glance/[/quote]
That’s not a very effective method of self promotion, is it? I can’t imagine I’d get many job interviews if my recruitment position was “my CV’s on the internet somewhere, go find it.”

Its not my job to win you over if you cannot even be bothered to look up the alternative main party whose information is freely available online.

@Butteryflakycrust83

Its not my job to win you over if you cannot even be bothered to look up the alternative main party whose information is freely available online.

You’re missing my point. I don’t vote Tory but even if I did, I’m not facing any kind of financial hardship and I doubt I’d be looking for Labour’s manifesto.

This is an astoundingly good opportunity for Labour to state loudly, clearly and on platforms which engage a range of voters, exactly what they would do to get the UK through this crisis and out the other side. But they aren’t. And why they aren’t is mystifying. Are you now representative of the party view, that it isn’t their job to win voters around because the information is available online?

That's a good point and I hadn't considered that.

It is a good point. I'd be interested to know if you think those people from BAME backgrounds with religious or cultural concerns about transwomen sharing women's spaces hate trans people and should be denounced as transphobic, or whether it's just white atheists who are demonstrating transphobia by not believing that TWAW.

I voted Tory because I thought they would waste less money on daft schemes

Did you not see how Boris Johnson wasted money on vanity schemes in London?.

@Viviennemary

They haven't got their fingers in my pocket. And partygate was the beginning of my distrust of them. But this failure to be concerned with the effects of the cost of living rises is not acceptable. I'm finished with them. I hope they get a roasting in the May elections.

They haven't got their fingers in my pocket Wow a non-dom billionaire posting on here - who knew?

I’m delighted you’ve seen the light @Viviennemary. Please tell your friends.

Butteryflakycrust83 - thanks for the link. The one thing I particular wanted to see what they want is not there - tax rates, mansion taxes, property taxes, IHT, stamp duty - I cannot see anything about that on the link and as most people tend to vote based on tax and the pound in their pocket it is perhaps telling Labour does not mention it.

@Xenia

Butteryflakycrust83 - thanks for the link. The one thing I particular wanted to see what they want is not there - tax rates, mansion taxes, property taxes, IHT, stamp duty - I cannot see anything about that on the link and as most people tend to vote based on tax and the pound in their pocket it is perhaps telling Labour does not mention it.

If most people voted on tax and the pound in their pocket they'd never vote Tory.

Even under Thatcher, the burden of taxation both as a proportion of GDP and in absolute terms actually rose. As usual with Tories though, taxes were shifted away from the rich to the poor.

But the lack of any sort of help for less well off people makes me absolutely sick. And all decided by a multi millionaire.

This must be a joke. You voted Tory and are surprised that they don't help poor people and that it's a party of millionaires?

It doesn't really require an advanced understanding of politics to grasp a few utter basics, does it.

This would be like voting for UKIP but then feeling unhappy they the turned out to be a little bit hostile to the EU.