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To be finished with voting Tory

417 replies

Viviennemary · 03/04/2022 16:47

I've voted Tory in the last couple of elections. Didn't like Corbyn and thought Keir Stammer was a bit feeble. But after that smug performance by Sunak I am totally not going to vote Tory for a very long time. We are now in a position not to be affected too much by recent rises. Not always been that way of course. I wonder if others are feeling the same. But the lack of any sort of help for less well off people makes me absolutely sick. And all decided by a multi millionaire.

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NannyOggsWhiskyStash · 04/04/2022 18:32

@TheMarvelousMrsMaisel

I never voted tory.

Bit late to regret it now isn't it? This is what YOU voted for. Miserable life's for everyone and grannies freezing to death. Be careful what you wish for.

This. Like the Tories have ever given a shit about anyone but home counties rich people and oligarchs
Awalkintime · 04/04/2022 18:44

[quote EthelTheAardvark]This demonstrates the reality of just how much the Conservatives care about women -
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-60941950[/quote]
Misogyny in health care has always been an issue regardless of who is in power. This is nothing new. Waiting times have gone up for all health issues due to the pandemic but access to women's health has always been a challenge regardless of who is in the hot seat. Labour were just the same.

EthelTheAardvark · 04/04/2022 19:01

Waiting times have gone up for all health issues due to the pandemic

The point is that they are worse in gynaecology than anywhere else.

Labour were just the same

The Tories have been in power 12 years, so this is irrelevant.

Awalkintime · 04/04/2022 19:15

@EthelTheAardvark

Waiting times have gone up for all health issues due to the pandemic

The point is that they are worse in gynaecology than anywhere else.

Labour were just the same

The Tories have been in power 12 years, so this is irrelevant.

They are worse in gynae due to misogyny which will still exist if Labour are in power. Always has, always will.

It is relevant when changes to smear testing age change occurred under Labour. It is relevant when they closed the local maternity services in my area meaning some people have an hours travel for emergency care when giving birth. They couldn't even access A n E if they were desperate as they shut all those too meaning the golden hour for stroke patients is non existent in my area.

Labour started the demolition of the NHS, Tories have continued it.

Giraffesandbottoms · 04/04/2022 19:20

This thread is peak mumsnet. Total lack of understanding that someone might have their own reasons for voting differently. I personally don’t care for the Green Party but I see that someone who feels fervently about compost might want to vote for them.

A thread for people to come and pat themselves on the back for being so wonderful and moral by voting labour, whilst demonising anyone who votes Conservative…it’s actually comical in its way. Aren’t the left so tolerant 😃

SuitcaseOfWhine · 04/04/2022 19:20

I think Russell Brand pointed out that during COVID we had to save the elderly and disabled, stay indoors and make all these sacrifices to protect them, now the government are happy for them to freeze to death in their homes or not be able to afford to run essential medical equipment.

Shows you that everything they do and say is utter bullshit and us all about them.

Blossomtoes · 04/04/2022 19:24

@Xenia

Labour is much worse and has not won an election since 2005. It wants to take more money from people through higher taxes and wants to eradicate women in a sense and cannot even define what a woman is. It is woke central.
Utter bollocks @Xenia. You don’t believe that for a second, you’ve just found a socially acceptable excuse to do what you’ve done all along. Cut you and you’d bleed blue and always would.
LardyDee · 04/04/2022 19:26

@Giraffesandbottoms

This thread is peak mumsnet. Total lack of understanding that someone might have their own reasons for voting differently. I personally don’t care for the Green Party but I see that someone who feels fervently about compost might want to vote for them.

A thread for people to come and pat themselves on the back for being so wonderful and moral by voting labour, whilst demonising anyone who votes Conservative…it’s actually comical in its way. Aren’t the left so tolerant 😃

It's not really so much demonising her for voting Conservative (although I'm quite happy to do that, voting is a moral choice). If she voted Tory because she didn't like immigrants and wanted lower taxes then it would be understandable. It's more that she voted Tory and then was surprised that they didn't help poor people. And that a lot of the people involved in the party are actually very rich Grin
SuitcaseOfWhine · 04/04/2022 19:26

The vast majority of people will vote based on cost of living, economic opportunities, housing, healthcare etc.

Agree with this. Other issues are raised on MN which are important, but if people aren't able to heat their homes or eat properly and there is no sign of progress, people will vote for someone else.

Giraffesandbottoms · 04/04/2022 19:33

@LardyDee

Saying that voting is a moral choice is incredibly simplistic and actually not correct, really, given the entirely subjective nature of morality. There isn’t a “good” party and an “evil” party, despite what many posters here seem to think.

However I do totally take your point re the second part of the paragraph. I do think voting Conservative it’s pretty clear you’re helping those with more money, and pretending you don’t know otherwise is silly.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/04/2022 19:36

The focus is entirely by media (and transphobes within the party like Rosie Duffield) who constantly ask stupid questions.

Why do they ask these "stupid questions", do you think? You sound like you can't possibly fathom why anyone would care? Clearly they do. Rosie Duffield simply doesn't subscribe to gender identity ideology, why would that make her a "transphobe"?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/04/2022 19:38

What I'm saying, in a nutshell, is that Labour could win back a lot of female voters if it declared that a woman is an adult human female, and will protect single sex spaces, provisions, rights and so on on that basis.

Do you think that would be a reasonable position to take, if it meant winning enough votes to overthrow this current bunch of vampires and vultures?

Excellent question. Come on, surely the greater good is more important than divisive identity politics?

JackieWeaverHandforthCouncil · 04/04/2022 19:38

You voted for this. People like you said you knew what you were voting for. You also didn’t give a shit when you thought the negative impacts would only fall on others but now your gas bill has shot up, now you give a shit. Too late. See you in the food bank queue by the end of the year.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/04/2022 19:39

I'm trying to establish if you would make the same compromise/sacrifice you're berating other people for not making. It seems not. And that's entirely your choice. But surely if it's a sticking point for you, you can see why it's a sticking point for others?

Apparently not.

LardyDee · 04/04/2022 19:50

Saying that voting is a moral choice is incredibly simplistic and actually not correct, really, given the entirely subjective nature of morality.

Of course it's a moral choice! When you choose who to vote for you are making moral choices, whether you acknowledge it or not. It's almost the exemplar of a moral decision.

What's slightly telling is that the next bit of your post is rather defensive, and seems to be based on a presumption that if you did accept that politics is applied morality then Tory voters would not come out of it well. That certainly didn't come from my post Grin

babybythesea · 04/04/2022 20:09

I definitely don't agree with the Labour stance on women.

However, I also care massively about education. At the moment, all I hear is Boris saying how 'they' kept schools running through lockdowns, and the release of the white paper yesterday saying that 90% instead of 50% of children will be expected to reach 'expected level of achievement.'

It sounds good, but we are yet to have a single week with all staff members in. The funding for the IT promised never arrived. The air filter thing arrived on the same day that restrictions were lifted (this to a classroom in the centre of the school with no exterior windows - we have two classrooms like this and only one filter.) I worked in the school in lockdown but was also part of the weekly rota driving around the area checking on children we had concerns about (delivering work in paper form if they couldn't access the internet, delivering other bits the family might need, just checking in with any vulnervable pupils). I am a TA buying things out of my own pocket for the children when we don't have enough left in the budget to buy it.
The aim 40% increase in achievement rate comes after COVID - a third of my class were ill with it last week so not only are we not catching them up, we are still having issues with missing chunks of learning. It is not matched by any significant increase in funding. Do twice as well, with a few pennies of extra money.
Even with any increase in budget they plan to give to schools, this will not put us back at the funding level of 2010, and it's been Tories all the way since then.

Meanwhile, although they want the rise in standards in English and Maths, OFSTED are looking to ensure that we don't focus too much on English and Maths as they want us to cover so much more, as there were concerns raised about the curriculum narrowing to get kids through the required tests.

OFSTED are also looking to ensure that every word in every reading book is decodeable so we've had to shelve (not bin!) loads of our reading books which contained the odd word deemed unsuitable. But the test I had to do with the Year 1 children today, reading comprehension, contained some words that are not phonetically decodable. So when are we teaching them these words, as we had to take out the reading books which contained them following advice from our last 'pre-OFSTED health check.'

While the Tories prance around, announcing all the wonderful things that they are doing in schools while ignoring the reality of buildings falling apart, not enough funding for classroom equipment never mind staff, and massively ignoring what children actually need, I will never, ever vote Tory.

Unless what they mean is that they are coming into school in person to help us ensure that the child who attacks others and has already been excluded multiple times because of it, actually has the 1-2-1 he needs by providing the extra bodies on the ground, and also hearing children read to ensure that they get the practice they need to catch up. If that is what Boris means by what he is doing to support schools, then I will apologise to him and await the MP who will turn up and actually give us the help we need to keep the kids safe and ensure they get the best education we can offer.

JackieWeaverHandforthCouncil · 04/04/2022 20:29

OP got sucked in to believe the real enemy was culture war bullshit like ‘cancel culture’ which is only a thing on Twitter when all along the Tories and their donors were picking her and her children’s pockets.

Hmm what’s more outrageous? A footballer bending their knee or not being able to pay your Leccy bill or eat and it being made a criminal offence to protest about it? No sympathy. You said you knew what you were voting for.

Bet Daily Mail are gutted Harry and Megan fucked off to America. Tories have run out of diversions now Covid’s lower level news and Putin hasn’t launched a nuclear attack.

Blossomtoes · 04/04/2022 20:57

Bet Daily Mail are gutted Harry and Megan fucked off to America. Tories have run out of diversions now Covid’s lower level news and Putin hasn’t launched a nuclear attack

They’ve still got Andrew.

Xenia · 04/04/2022 21:25

I have a lot of reasons the Tories are best.

For those saying the less well off are neglected the minimum wage just went right up. The NI threshold is going up to over £12k. There have been measures to spread heating costs and council tax for those with houses in the lower bands. We have only 1m out of work compared with 3m when I graduated. Everythnig is not perfec (and I want a low spend small state Tory party and I definitely sadly do not currently have that but at least it is heaps better than Labour).

People may not agree with me but unless Labour pulls a rabbit out of the hate which convinces red wall voters to vote Labour in England they will lose yet again. So it does not matter how much the left think they are right - unless they can convince the middle ground voters to vote Labour they will not win.

LexMitior · 04/04/2022 21:47

@HobgoblinGold

Regardless of leader the focus was always wrong with tories. Now the middle classes who voted Tory are no longer being helped by the tories you finally see. Tories are and always have been scum. Honestly, Shame on everyone who voted for them.
Historically it is this vote change removes the Tories from power.

A lot of people who consider themselves "middle class" are about to find out otherwise. I remember "middle class" in the 1980s. It looked and was very different to what people think now and it was a small group of people. We are going back to that time.

daimbarsatemydogsbone · 04/04/2022 21:56

@SuitcaseOfWhine

The vast majority of people will vote based on cost of living, economic opportunities, housing, healthcare etc.

Agree with this. Other issues are raised on MN which are important, but if people aren't able to heat their homes or eat properly and there is no sign of progress, people will vote for someone else.

No ordinary person would vote Tory on those issues.
daimbarsatemydogsbone · 04/04/2022 22:00

@Xenia

I have a lot of reasons the Tories are best.

For those saying the less well off are neglected the minimum wage just went right up. The NI threshold is going up to over £12k. There have been measures to spread heating costs and council tax for those with houses in the lower bands. We have only 1m out of work compared with 3m when I graduated. Everythnig is not perfec (and I want a low spend small state Tory party and I definitely sadly do not currently have that but at least it is heaps better than Labour).

People may not agree with me but unless Labour pulls a rabbit out of the hate which convinces red wall voters to vote Labour in England they will lose yet again. So it does not matter how much the left think they are right - unless they can convince the middle ground voters to vote Labour they will not win.

You have a point, the whole country has moved so far to the right now, any attempt to enact any decent and fair policies has people running away crying about socialism as if it’s the work of the devil. Meanwhile capitalism is shafting evenone except the millionaire Tories.
Viviennemary · 04/04/2022 22:02

A non dom billionaire That made me laugh. Ive been called a few things but thats a first. Grin I wish. Grin

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Blossomtoes · 04/04/2022 22:05

So it does not matter how much the left think they are right - unless they can convince the middle ground voters to vote Labour they will not win

You’ve clearly not heard the old adage that opposition’s don’t win elections; governments lose them.

summerlovin94 · 04/04/2022 22:09

How anyone can vote Tory, and especially for Boris Johnson after all his lies have come to light, is beyond me.

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