To be finished with voting Tory

[Viviennemary]

I've voted Tory in the last couple of elections. Didn't like Corbyn and thought Keir Stammer was a bit feeble. But after that smug performance by Sunak I am totally not going to vote Tory for a very long time. We are now in a position not to be affected too much by recent rises. Not always been that way of course. I wonder if others are feeling the same. But the lack of any sort of help for less well off people makes me absolutely sick. And all decided by a multi millionaire.

People are incredibly forgiving of being lied to. What they care about is being cold and hungry, and feeling like they've been made a mug of. That does change their vote.

Fairweather tories are often proto socialists.They change their vote when they are affected, and want state support. But given that the Tories have a core vote that isn't affected, they won't change what they are doing because state spending is not what they do. Why would they spend or increase tax for this? If you've not enough money, that's because you haven't succeeded...

I don't agree the country has moved to the right. The current Tories have moved to the left and centre ground which is why they were elected - high spending, massive state, magic money tree discovered.

As for calling people" scum" is that allowed on Mumsnet? Would I be allowed to call Labour "scum" if Labour voters are allowed to call Tories "scum"?

I think you but just did that, and lets face it, its an accusation with a long history.

Labour people don't like Tories. That's not news, is it?

I voted YABU but that's for ever voting for the lying gits in the first place.

I don't think the current Tories have deliberately moved to left - they were forced into those things by the pandemic. And they were forced into such wide support by challenges from the left.
They are desperate to move away from this ASAP and get back to the traditional approach of low support low state intervention etc. We're on our own with our utility bills etc.
They still made sure their mates got rich as part of providing the immense state response to covid to soften the blow of having the state propping up the economy!

@Xenia

I don't agree the country has moved to the right. The current Tories have moved to the left and centre ground which is why they were elected - high spending, massive state, magic money tree discovered.

As for calling people" scum" is that allowed on Mumsnet? Would I be allowed to call Labour "scum" if Labour voters are allowed to call Tories "scum"?

Jesus how right wing do you need to be to think that these contemptible right wing xenophobic populists seem even remotely centrist?

The gaslighting by the right wing media is scarily effective.

Do people not realise that Boris will just say anything to be popular. Do you think he gives a shit about Trans rights? Or actually cares about the definition of a woman?

There was a caller on James O'Brien's show on LBC last week who called to say he'd still support the Tories despite them having broken the law on Covid rules. He said they're far better than Labour. When asked to name a single Labour policy he was opposed to he couldn't. He regurgitated some bullshit he has read in the paper about Ploughman's Lunch (which was a joke by a pub owner, clearly nothing to do with Labour and let's remind ourselves, happened under a Tory government so if the government did have anything to do with it then surely blame the actual government rather than a hypothetical one)

Tory voters are being gaslit - and we are all suffering for it

Do people not realise that Boris will just say anything to be popular. Do you think he gives a shit about Trans rights? Or actually cares about the definition of a woman?

This. And how many U turns has this government made? Thatcher must be turning in her grave!

@Blossomtoes

Do people not realise that Boris will just say anything to be popular. Do you think he gives a shit about Trans rights? Or actually cares about the definition of a woman?

This. And how many U turns has this government made? Thatcher must be turning in her grave!

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@SuitcaseOfWhine

I think Russell Brand pointed out that during COVID we had to save the elderly and disabled, stay indoors and make all these sacrifices to protect them, now the government are happy for them to freeze to death in their homes or not be able to afford to run essential medical equipment.

Shows you that everything they do and say is utter bullshit and us all about them.

No, the problems in the economy are solely down to the pandemic. The outcry was for lockdowns, we're now facing the side effects of such policy decisions. To be perfectly honest it serves some people right. 'Let them eat bloody cake.' Boo-hoo. This is what you the public asked for. The tories, conservatives have zero control over the global supply chains. They're overloaded and prices are sky rocketing as globally we are all competing for these raw materials. My business is working flat out, 7 days a week from 7 am-9 pm. We've never had such high demand.

I will neved vote for any political party at any GE ever again. Over the years they have all proved themselves to be disingenuous. I plan to go to the polling station but spoil my ballot paper. Nothing offensive, somebody has to read it. I intend to crawl " All Liars" or something similar across my ballot paper.

It’s a myth that the tories are good with the economy. They’ve spaffed billions up the wall on fraudulent COVID loans that they can’t be bothered to chase. They won’t put a tax on the oil companies to subsidize the energy price hike- ordinary people will rein in spending and all that eat out to help out and other initiatives to keep businesses alive will have been pointless.

They could have offered proper incentives for everyone to insulate homes and businesses, invested in the power grid, and built renewables infrastructure to make us less reliant on dodgy regimes for power but instead they cut the subsidies and made the planning system hostile.

They have done the square root of fuck all for our food security as you are starting to find out. Wait until shortages are more widespread. Utterly screwed over the NHS. Our roads are full of pot holes.

And don’t get me started on COVID. They are utterly fucking useless.

No positive vision, no leadership. High taxes for nothing. I feel as though we are moving towards being a developing world country instead of one of the richest in the world.

I don't agree the country has moved to the right. The current Tories have moved to the left and centre ground which is why they were elected - high spending, massive state, magic money tree discovered

You should look at the tory party's 2019 manifesto and compare to Le Pen's in France?
The nationalities bill going through the lords, sell off of media that asks hard questions of the Tories (or indeed any party)

Tax cuts for the wealthy, benefit cuts for the working poor, increasing wealth and educational divides and populism, always getting policies into law that appeal to the lowest common denominator... they have no moral compass, only one that points to where Power can be gained for themselves.

Racism and increasing the wealth divide characterise all Tory policies.

But what the Tories do is spend just enough to give the illusion they "care" and to stop the masses revolting (which is a good word to use, as thats exactly what they think of anyone who isn't extremely wealthy)

I have never.

@TracyHorrobin

I will neved vote for any political party at any GE ever again. Over the years they have all proved themselves to be disingenuous. I plan to go to the polling station but spoil my ballot paper. Nothing offensive, somebody has to read it. I intend to crawl " All Liars" or something similar across my ballot paper.

...then you will have enabled the very politics you despise.

If a party won a GE with a turnout of ONE voter, that party would spin it as an "overwhelming win" that represents the "will of the British people"

Just as Boris did over Brexit, despite just 36% of the voting population supporting it.

So am I to understand that the Labour Party doesn't want votes from an ex Tory voter? I'm assuming that's the case after reading some of the sneary responses on here. This always happens on here (and I assume elsewhere on the internet) and I'm fine with that. I'll find some other political party to put my cross against.

I have two good reasons not to vote Labour, despite being a semi floating voter - their stance on trans issues and their nastiness towards people who have previously voted Conservative. I think that the big difference between the parties. People who vote Tory can be nasty about the party itself and their politicians. Labour supporters are nasty about the actual Conservative voters. Certainly doesn't make us feel wanted or needed, so you just carry on doing what you're doing and I'll carry on ignoring your existence.

Not this infantile crap again. Claiming a persons voting choice makes them stupid/immoral. How well has that been working out for Labour?

Tory does not = evil bastards who want all the poor to die
Labour does not = angels from heaven who will save all

I’d never be so stupid as to declare ‘I’d never vote for X’, as if it was some sort of badge of purity. I vote for who I fee will do the better job at the time.

Saying that, for years I did largely vote for Labour. Last election, and probably this one too, I will vote Tory.

This is mainly for two reasons.

1. Labour told me I was not welcome, and that I shouldn’t vote for them. Because they believe that a man can become a woman, and should be treated as one merely on their say so. Whether you agree or not on what issues that can cause, that much can be taken as a fact.

1. We are a disabled family. When the local Tory MP was voted in (usually a strong red wall area) he personally saw me and then helped me to organise for the tribunal to get my PIP decision overturned. I now have an indefinite high rate award. He has been very helpful and engaged in the community. My previous Labour MP, perhaps because they felt so safe, never offered to help and always just had someone send a generic reply to my letters.

I shouldn’t have to justify the ‘why’ of my vote, I certainly wouldn’t expect it from anyone else if they were voting for a different party. But I really hate the simplistic rhetoric decrying me as an evil rich villain who hates disabled, poor (myself?) people.

Never voted Tory in my life. Never will.

I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than vote tory, same as any other election really.

Well hamsters your tory MP appears to have suspiciously socialist leanings and in a red wall seat too, what a surprise. Vote for them again and see where that gets you. Although you have my sympathy if, as 'a disabled family', you're expecting any lasting improvement. Good luck with that.

@knittingaddict Plenty of Tory voters have a go at Labour voters, its not a one way street.

Someone i know who works very hard in the NHS, earns about £20k per year said "I work 40hrs per week to be poor & and Tory supporters are voting to make my life harder"

She was especially thinking of reintroduction of staff parking charges & no pay rise

[quote Alexandra2001]@knittingaddict Plenty of Tory voters have a go at Labour voters, its not a one way street.

Someone i know who works very hard in the NHS, earns about £20k per year said "I work 40hrs per week to be poor & and Tory supporters are voting to make my life harder"

She was especially thinking of reintroduction of staff parking charges & no pay rise[/quote]
I'm sorry, but the vitriol and the "scum" comments about voters (rather than policies, politicians and party) only go one way.

@longwayoff does it feel good to be so condescending to a disabled person because of her voting choice? I hope the righteous rush of endorphins gets you through the morning.

Unless you’ve felt the terror of seeing one of the only streams of income you have being stopped, and having to cope with the shock of a PIP assessor blatantly lying about your extensively medically documented condition, then you can’t know the relief I felt at someone finally agreeing to help me.

So no, I won’t be voting out the only useful MP this area has ever had, just in case he might transform into a version of the previously useless one. Sorry to disappoint.

I'm not entering into a 'how disabled are you'? contest so tell yourself what you like if it makes you happy.

@Portillista

I voted Conservative all my life - until the last election and Brexit. I would now not vote Conservative because they implemented lockdowns, to which I have been vehemently opposed. I could never vote Labour, so the Lib Dems can have my vote - not that it will do them much good, as my ward is in such a firmly Conservative seat that it makes no difference (other than to me).

Out city was always Tory and went Lib Dem in last general election. Amersham too. So it can and does happen.