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Will Smith resigns from the Academy

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runnerblade95 · 02/04/2022 00:18

I hope that this is recent enough for those that were stating that my previous thread was too late and a duplicate.

www.instagram.com/p/Cb05PZqPtOn/?utm_medium=copy_link

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Lbushsgkm · 02/04/2022 10:12

People seem to keep missing the point that there’s all likelihood Rock didn’t know anything about the alopecia

(he’s also said as much and I’ve heard many other commentators in UK and US say since they hadn’t been aware of it either).

I certainly didn’t – she’s had short hair for years and suits it, I just assumed it was a style choice.

Lbushsgkm · 02/04/2022 10:18

@Abouttoblow

I genuinely don't understand why everyone ignores the fact that Jada opened up about sleeping with someone else and the feelings she developed for that person, saying her husband was OK with it. On a podcast with her husband, who was clearly not OK with it.
Right...? 🤷🏽‍♂️

It’s obviously relevant to whatever’s going on with those people.

notanotheroneagain · 02/04/2022 10:19

Unlikely that Chris did not know. She has been well publicising it.

Chris has a thing for her and has been hounding her for years - some say it was the actress he said he had unrequited love for.

Anyway, he jokes about her pretty much every year.

He made a show about black women hair, and once tried to yank Oprah's hair saying she had a wig - she did not.

I think he knew - if not he should have also guessed chemo.

HangingRock25 · 02/04/2022 10:24

Not many people knew about the alopecia, it wasn't well publicised. I asked around my online and real life friends, a handful are diehard Will Smith fans. Not one of them knew. Also, as Chris knows, black women sport the buzz cut style and rock it well, it's a familiar hair style for black women so he would have assumed like I did and like my friends did; Jada's hair do is a black hair style. Nothing more to it than that. Generally if it's alopecia they wear a wig.

PupInAPram · 02/04/2022 10:28

@GoodJanetBadJanet

Oh God, who cares. The amount of shit that usually flies under the radar and gets ignored. Will Smith slaps someone on stage and all hell breaks loose
He is hugely influential including with many young people. He is modelling behaviour to them. Get annoyed, lash out. That's why it's a big deal.
Covetthee · 02/04/2022 10:29

yes chris made a tastless joke but violence in regards to that is not the proportional reaction this situation. 2 seconds before he was roasting penelope cruz.. thats what comedians do and get paid to do

All the women going on about will ‘defending’ his woman, he did NOT do that, he bloody laughed along with everyone else, if he was that concerned about jada he wouldnt have laughed.

Will himself has made jokes about an alopecia sufferer years ago on a chat show. Lets also not forget the amount of bald jokes he made on fresh prince towards uncle.

Rock has been very open about his past incidents with bullying and being physically abused. No one is mentioning that are they? If they didnt know then its fair to see most probably didnt know about jada and her condition

Imagine next time gervais takes at someone they get up and slap him, or a transgender gets up and hits chapelle because they dont like this joke.

you can voice your disgust at stuff without resorting to violence.

Assume majority here are parents, you spend a lot of time telling your kids to not hit.. so on NO level can this behaviour be condoned.

notanotheroneagain · 02/04/2022 10:29

If you don't know much Jada maybe, you won't know.

But she is very much in Chri's radar.

VladmirsPoutine · 02/04/2022 10:49

@bonfireheart

Who really cares apart from the people involved?
A lot of people are morally outraged. They want Will to be arrested, jailed and pretty much anything else you can think of. If this had been Robert Pattinson (sp?) it would less 'what a monster, will someone think about the children' and more 'poor man, a careless moment of rage, who amongst us has not' etc etc.
Lbushsgkm · 02/04/2022 10:52

@notanotheroneagain

Unlikely that Chris did not know. She has been well publicising it.

Chris has a thing for her and has been hounding her for years - some say it was the actress he said he had unrequited love for.

Anyway, he jokes about her pretty much every year.

He made a show about black women hair, and once tried to yank Oprah's hair saying she had a wig - she did not.

I think he knew - if not he should have also guessed chemo.

Honestly not everyone is paying attention to what she’s up to.

I’ve seen Rock‘s film about hair.

I know he’s made jokes about them in the past, I’m sure they’re not the only ones.

I get the feeling that if he’s made them the butt of jokes several times (his literal brief as presenter) it’s because he knows she’s a bit pompous. And that’s the whole reason they’ve gone for this ‘roast’ style at the oscars since RG – it’s perceived to be a room full of self-important, over-privileged people who take themselves too seriously.

The piss-take jokes are meant to be all about deflating that. The more precious you are (eg making it known with the organisers that there must not be jokes about you, as the smiths reportedly did), the more likely you are to be a target of jokes.

Pulling Oprah’s hair sounds dodgy. How do you feel that relates to this incident?

Of course, if he knew she had alopecia, the joke was in poor taste. However he’s said he didn’t, and I’ve heard many people say the same (including people involved with showbiz in the US).

Saying he should assume she’s ill in some way because she has short hair (and she had very short hair for years already before the alopecia, and looks great with it) – no, there’s no ‘should’ or ‘ought to’ there imo.

Changeforthis79 · 02/04/2022 10:57

I had alopecia a few years ago and that 'joke' is shit and unfunny but why we are still talking about this I really don't know!

Lbushsgkm · 02/04/2022 10:57

GoodJanetBadJanet

“Oh God, who cares.
The amount of shit that usually flies under the radar and gets ignored.
Will Smith slaps someone on stage and all hell breaks loose”

I think people are genuinely shocked. It was a pretty crazy incident.

phoenixrosehere · 02/04/2022 11:03

I don’t agree with what either these two did and simply hope it means the end of these hosts making “cringey” jokes about people’s appearances and personal lives that have nothing to do with the awards show itself. It’s always been a bit awkward watching the people they’re joking about have an uncomfortable grin on their face when they do it.

Tbh, probably the first time people have ever talked about the Oscars for this long in years.

Lbushsgkm · 02/04/2022 11:29

@phoenixrosehere

I don’t agree with what either these two did and simply hope it means the end of these hosts making “cringey” jokes about people’s appearances and personal lives that have nothing to do with the awards show itself. It’s always been a bit awkward watching the people they’re joking about have an uncomfortable grin on their face when they do it.

Tbh, probably the first time people have ever talked about the Oscars for this long in years.

Yeah think it was funny once because no one was expecting it. The worst is that roast programme they do in the US where someone just sits and gets roasted. Don’t get it at all.
SheldonesqueTheBstard · 02/04/2022 11:31

Neither man behaved well.

WS should never have got physical.
He has recognised his behaviour was well out of order and apologised. It does not change matters of course but he has issued a public apology and stepped down from the Academy. The right thing to do.

I wonder if CR has apologised to JPS. Apparently he did not know she suffered from Alopecia. He can’t help but know now. Or does she not matter?

Codywolf · 02/04/2022 11:31

I spoke with my DP and said to him that if he ever did what will smith did that would be it for us as I am perfectly capable of defending myself and it felt very 1800s
Big man needs to defend his weak woman from mean words, It disgraceful that this is happened.

Diverseopinions · 02/04/2022 11:33

I think that there are a lot of wrongs here. Firstly, the Academy. They should have purused all the gags before the show and decided if THEY thought they were acceptable. They need to do this with someone who is au fait with topical references. I say this cos a poster on this forum suggested that the joke may have been a risque reference to a fling Will had had with Demi Moore ( who played GI Jane). They makes a difference. I can kind of see that this would fit and be likely as it makes the gag near the edge, because otherwise it isn't really funny to point out similarity to GI Jane. Dog.. Lots of people must have said that to her/in media, already. (As

. It's lame as a gag, just about the shaved head, and Chris is sharp and witty

There was some hesitation/prevarication about what should be done and who was right. Clearly the stars who comforted Will thought he had some right on his side. Did he? The Academy should have been pre-prepared for some issues with some jokes.

Shouldn't it gave been noted before the show that a cruel jibe about hair loss would've told - and someone decide before hand if alopecia is acceptable territory for comedy?.

And then what kind of show is the Oscars? If, as some have said, children watch it and it sends them a wrong message about legitimate targets of ribaldry, then that joke should have been cut. If the Oscars are 18+ and they want to use the 'art can be valid even if it offends' defence, then that is different...but,maybe , at least warn Jada she is going to feature and it is a no holds barred event.

The Oscars will be remembered for this incident and the swearing, and some guests may, in future, emulate the assault, if they don't impose a sanction ..but they the organisers have themselves to blame for wanting to be cutting edgy and establishment, at the same time.

And it is a question of degrees. If someone made fun of my autistic adult son's behaviour, I might swear at them. Hypothetically, some jokes, against sick children perhaps, might lead to most of the audience wanting to hit Rock.

I think Piers Morgan made a fair point that it was a slap and not a punch. An open-hand slap is seen.as an admonishment , like a woman slapping a man's face if he touches her inappropriately. We wouldn't do it today, but they did it in the 1950s with impunity. We've moved now to the point where all violence is judged as wrong, which is very good I think, and for the best. But let's acknowledge that the strike wasn't aimed to maim.

The cancel culture if today is wrong. If Smith gets barred, effectively, from making films, that will have elements of a child being ostracized in the playground for one ill-judged action or mistake. It won't be nice and will seem revengeful .

There's a lot of confusion over 'Did Will Laugh at first? ' "Did Jada laugh when she saw Chris being hit?' Not nice to hit someone, if you don't really think what they said was wrong. It all brings some ambiguity into the scenario. Will really shouldn't jump to be the hard guy, every time his wife frowns - not if he himself is cool about the humour. . Will has defended his wife and warned off interviewing journalists before - a Spanish one. Should Jada say to him: " Please, you don't need to do this".

Chris Rock comes off well. De-escalating by saying "I won't" (do it again) is good..being professional is always the right move. Denzil Washington too, I agree with, in his comment about the Devil.

It could be one of those situations where everyone is wrong and everyone is right.

junglejane66 · 02/04/2022 11:47

Violence is never acceptable, the man is a thug, end of

phoenixrosehere · 02/04/2022 11:49

Yeah think it was funny once because no one was expecting it. The worst is that roast programme they do in the US where someone just sits and gets roasted. Don’t get it at all.

I think that’s a bit different since the person being roasted knows exactly what they’re signing up for and do it back often (typically comedians themselves or known celebrities needing a bit of cash) but with this, I don’t understand why he chose to make a joke about her. She was there to support her husband and that was it.

StormzyinaTCup · 02/04/2022 12:21

@notanotheroneagain

If you don't know much Jada maybe, you won't know. But she is very much in Chri's radar.
I agree with this, Jada has been on CR’s radar for many years so I’m inclined to think he was aware.

I wonder if CR has apologised to JPS. Apparently he did not know she suffered from Alopecia. He can’t help but know now. Or does she not matter?

I’m still waiting for the apology - I guess that tells you enough, he doesn’t feel it’s necessary and that she is fair game. Zero accountability on his part and back to ‘carry on mysoginist’.

They are both a pair of idiots but its a fag paper between the two as far as I’m concerned.

stuntbubbles · 02/04/2022 12:57

I think that there are a lot of wrongs here. Firstly, the Academy. They should have purused all the gags before the show and decided if THEY thought they were acceptable. They need to do this with someone who is au fait with topical references.
They do. You don’t think the Oscars are scripted and those scripts vetted? But this was off-script, improvised. How are they supposed to vet that?

HangingRock25 · 02/04/2022 13:04

@stuntbubbles

I think that there are a lot of wrongs here. Firstly, the Academy. They should have purused all the gags before the show and decided if THEY thought they were acceptable. They need to do this with someone who is au fait with topical references. They do. You don’t think the Oscars are scripted and those scripts vetted? But this was off-script, improvised. How are they supposed to vet that?
How do we know it was improvised? Has CR said this?
SheldonesqueTheBstard · 02/04/2022 13:13

CR has been quiet.

Some have not…

“Academy sources told Rolling Stone on Monday that Chris Rock’s G.I. Jane 2 joke—which earned him an onstage whack in the face from Will Smith—was not part of pre-ceremony rehearsals.”

I’m all for a bit of improvisation. I think this was more than an off-the-cuff pop.

As others have said, she has been in his sights for a while now.

So aye. Fag papers and that.

Lbushsgkm · 02/04/2022 13:15

@phoenixrosehere

Yeah think it was funny once because no one was expecting it. The worst is that roast programme they do in the US where someone just sits and gets roasted. Don’t get it at all.

I think that’s a bit different since the person being roasted knows exactly what they’re signing up for and do it back often (typically comedians themselves or known celebrities needing a bit of cash) but with this, I don’t understand why he chose to make a joke about her. She was there to support her husband and that was it.

I was really just agreeing with your general point about finding the US roast tradition odd and awkward to watch.
HangingRock25 · 02/04/2022 13:16

@SheldonesqueTheBstard

CR has been quiet.

Some have not…

“Academy sources told Rolling Stone on Monday that Chris Rock’s G.I. Jane 2 joke—which earned him an onstage whack in the face from Will Smith—was not part of pre-ceremony rehearsals.”

I’m all for a bit of improvisation. I think this was more than an off-the-cuff pop.

As others have said, she has been in his sights for a while now.

So aye. Fag papers and that.

Thanks for that, that explains more.
Lbushsgkm · 02/04/2022 13:19

That being said, the Ricky Gervais clip now circulating again from an earlier show is actually hilarious.