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… to wonder why people continue having more children if they cannot cope with the ones that they already have?

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NetflixMom21 · 01/04/2022 08:50

… or am I just being extremely judgemental?

A couple of recent interactions and conversations with people that I know has got me thinking about this. In one situation; the person in question already has a couple of children plus a couple of stepchildren which they have 50% of the time, they are always complaining of having no money, they have openly said that they max out their credit cards to survive and pay their bills every month and are in a lot of debt because of it… now they have just announced that they are having another child.

In the second situation; the person in question has 5 children. The first child was born with a severe disability and they were told that it could possibly be genetic and that if they had anymore children, those children could have a disability too. The second child was also born with a disability, but not as severe as the first. The person then went onto having 3 more children, of which, another child has a similar disability to the first 2. So 3 out of 5 children are disabled. This person now admits that they are unable to cope and it massively impacts on the care that they are able to give their children.

In the third situation; someone that I know was born with cystic fibrosis (they are the first born child of the family). They nearly died as a young child and was only just about saved by a lung transplant which they were incredibly lucky to get. The parents have gone on to have more and more children, even though they know that they have the gene for cystic fibrosis and any child that they have may be born with it too and after watching how badly their first child has suffered. Well another child has been born with it, and suffers horrendously already (they are reception/year 1 age) and unless they receive a lung transplant, they might not even make it to a teenager.

My own situation; I have a progressive disability myself and also a child that has a disability. I know that I will never have anymore children (I am looking into surgical procedures to ensure this) because I know that firstly, I will not be able to cope with my own illness and that is not fair on the child especially as I know that there is a possibility of me having another child with a disability, and secondly; I do not know how much independence my child will go onto have as a teenager and adult, and if I had another child, it would impact on the level of care that I am able provide for my child and that isn’t fair on them.

AIBU to wonder why people in these situations continue having more and more children rather than focusing on the ones that they have, and then constantly complain of being unable to cope?!

OP posts:
ArmWrestlingWithChasNDave · 01/04/2022 18:46

I'm wondering if this thread was inspired by the incredibly frustrating one running, where the couple has £50 a month after bills and are expecting a planned baby. Ffs.

Buttercup54321 · 01/04/2022 19:17

Extremely judgemental and really none of your business.

ProfessorScarlett · 01/04/2022 19:23

Yanbu. It seems very irresponsible. Often it's the kids who suffer, plus the strain on public services.

Steelesauce · 01/04/2022 19:25

YANBU. And I am a single parent of 3. I know I am overwhelmed and frazzled. My ex didn't become useless until the 3rd child when he became addicted to prescription drugs. He left and became an awful person and is no longer allowed to see the children.

I refuse to bow down to the single mum stereotype though, I work full time in a good professional job. I earn good money to support them and have good promotion promise to earn more as they become financially demanding teens. Yes I moan I am exhausted and I know its all my own fault. Id understand completely if someone judged me, I judge myself for being so silly!

ManAlive24 · 01/04/2022 19:26

OP, you'll get torn to pieces but I actually agree.

imamumgetmeoutofhere · 01/04/2022 19:27

Not your uterus, not your opinion

Gardeningcreature · 01/04/2022 19:33

I agree op. I worked in education for years. Totally heartbreaking the way some parents treat their children. Then what do they do? Go on and have more.
I really cannot understand why you would keep having more, when by your own admission, you cannot cope with the ones you have.

RampantIvy · 01/04/2022 19:36

@Buttercup54321

Extremely judgemental and really none of your business.
So, what would you suggest?
creacher · 01/04/2022 19:36

@drpet49

**I agree 100% OP.

Why on earth do people have children when they know there is a strong possibility of that child having a life limiting disability? It’s absolutely cruel to that poor child (especially the ones in your third scenario). How CAN parents be so cruel as to bring probable early death and immense suffering to their children?**

^This

I'm don't like to judge but I agree with this.

creacher · 01/04/2022 19:37

It's sad when you see children and wonder how they'll fare when their parent (and carer) passes away.

RampantIvy · 01/04/2022 19:39

I will repeat what I asked upthread for the benefit of @Buttercup54321 and @imamumgetmeoutofhere

Can those who think the OP is being extremely judgemental defend or justify why it is OK for women to choose to continue to have babies in very unfavourable circumstances?

SmellyOldOwls · 01/04/2022 19:54

@aSofaNearYou

Usually I assume they got pregnant by accident.

I suppose of those that don't, the impulse to have more children was just irresistible, some people seem to feel it very strongly.

God yes. When I'm not ovulating I think aw i would sort of like another baby but definitely shouldn't. When I am ovulating all sense goes out the window and my hormones seem to try to take control of the situation. I have to have stern talks with myself. I actually want to get sterilised because the hormonal drive is so incredibly strong but I can't see doctors agreeing to it.
RampantIvy · 01/04/2022 19:59

I suppose of those that don't, the impulse to have more children was just irresistible, some people seem to feel it very strongly.

I think that women who have to satisfy their urge to have more children when it is a really bad idea give the rest of the female population a bad name. We might have cravings, but we don't have to give into them.

Thesefeetaremadeforwalking · 01/04/2022 20:02

Does anyone ever actually know the cost of raising a child?

Here are some scary figures ;

www.wealthify.com/blog/what-s-the-average-cost-of-having-a-child-in-the-uk

WanderingFruitWonderer · 01/04/2022 20:07

I sort of agree, but also understand that life can be messy and complicated, and often doesn't go to plan for people.
I also think, where would the line be drawn with this? At what point does the creation of a new life change from being acceptable, to irresponsible? Because, if you're being purist about it, and taking it to its logical conclusion, you could say it's always somewhat selfish and irresponsible to have children! Because it's impossible to have a life here totally free of suffering. Climate change has brought an added dimension to this unfortunate fact. But few people would argue that it's wrong to reproduce full stop. So, I don't know who could decide where that line is...

Vapeyvapevape · 01/04/2022 20:07

Does anyone ever actually know the cost of raising a child

I swear I'd be millionaire if I hadn't had children!

malificent7 · 01/04/2022 20:15

I get it op. I had my 1st child as a single mum without any thought on how to provide for her...it was very tough.

I love dd to bits and work ft to provide but I'm not having any more partly because of money but mostly as she is a very anxious child and i need to focus on her.

habibihabibi · 01/04/2022 20:17

I swear I'd be millionaire if I hadn't had children!
My friend jokes he should have called his children Aston and Martin because he certainly can't afford the car of his dreams after having them..

Cyw2018 · 01/04/2022 20:17

@WanderingFruitWonderer

I sort of agree, but also understand that life can be messy and complicated, and often doesn't go to plan for people. I also think, where would the line be drawn with this? At what point does the creation of a new life change from being acceptable, to irresponsible? Because, if you're being purist about it, and taking it to its logical conclusion, you could say it's always somewhat selfish and irresponsible to have children! Because it's impossible to have a life here totally free of suffering. Climate change has brought an added dimension to this unfortunate fact. But few people would argue that it's wrong to reproduce full stop. So, I don't know who could decide where that line is...
also understand that life can be messy and complicated, and often doesn't go to plan for people.

Surely that is reason to have less kids not more.

Which mothers in Ukraine do you think are having better luck getting their young kids out to safety (considering their DH are having to stay behind), the ones with 2 kids or the ones with 5+ kids?

We live in a country with low infant mortality, having more than 2 kids is a life style choice, and even if you can afford it it is a risky one if circumstances change.

Sometimeswinning · 01/04/2022 20:27

I judge! It's human nature. It's selfish and putting your needs first which is also human nature. I've seen families with an obvious genetic condition try and try again for the child who doesn't inherit the gene. People are so desperate to cover their eyes to the obvious sometimes.

Boomboomboomboomboomno · 01/04/2022 20:38

@Vapeyvapevape if only more people thought like that. People just don't get it

pucelleauxblanchesmains · 01/04/2022 20:39

I think sadly a lot of people who can't cope, can't cope precisely because they don't have the capacity to plan or conceptualise the future in a way that might stop them having children they can't afford, if that makes sense. If you have a chaotic life you're far less likely to take the time to really think about whether another child might be a good idea.
On a related but different note, there are some women who have baby after baby for emotional fulfilment they don't or can't get elsewhere, and once the baby grows a bit they lose interest and want another.

Boomboomboomboomboomno · 01/04/2022 20:42

@tootiredtothinkofanewname

Stapleton143 · 01/04/2022 20:44

The mothers with only disabled children will likely never be grandmothers, whereas a healthy child might decide to have many in-the future. I will never be a grandmother, I am relatively happy about that.

Boomboomboomboomboomno · 01/04/2022 20:46

Oops meant@tootired

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