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Neighbour from downstairs doesn't stop complaining about my 2 year old.

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HipsterMum · 27/03/2022 19:18

We are a family of academics with 2 boys who are 5 and 2 years old. We are currently renting a lovely flat in a large block of flats where the walls are quite thin. We can hear a lot happening in other flats and unfortunately, our neighbours from downstairs can hear us too. We are not particularly noisy, my husband is at work full time, my eldest child is at school and after school he is usually quietly playing with his toys. My youngest is still waiting for his place in the nursery and as I am currently working from home, I look after him in the house. He is not particularly noisy, we don't allow scooters, big cars around the house but he did just discover running so he does sometimes run from one room to another although we continuously tell him to walk gently. Yet he is still a child.

For 2 years we had no problem with any neighbours. The couples living next to us are lovely so is the elderly gentlemen who is completely understanding of some extra noise especially during school holidays and weekends. My kids are always in their bed at about 6.30 reading and then straight to sleep. They wake up normally at 7.30 am and we encourage them to do quite activities like drawing in the mornings. If they get too loud or start jumping off somewhere in the mornings for example on Sundays, we stop this straight away. They also wear soft slippers at all times.

A few months back an owner of the flat below ours decided to move back in (it was rented out before therefore we had no problems with previous people). He hasn't stopped coming up to us and knocking on our doors since. The first time he did it, we were all sick with covid for 10 days. He came on day 2 of isolation and asked us to take the kids out to the park as he couldnt listen to their little feet. When I hoover the floors at 3 pm , he starts banging. When my youngest runs to the loo he bangs. We had relatives over who we not seen for 4 years because of the lockdown and the kids were meeting them for the first time and were opening presents and being excited he was at our door at 2 pm on Sunday saying we have to tell our kids to simply stop walking because he cannot stand it.

We talked with our landlord about the carpets (we have some mats around but thats not enough) but he wouldn't pay for them and he doesn't want carpets permanently placed in this flat anyway. Furthermore, our eldest has got a bad dust allergy so carpets are really difficult, that's why I hoover quite a lot. We invested in a couple of more rugs but I don't think it will make much of a difference. He threatens us that he will continue to come and bang on our front door because he cannot enjoy his life because of our 2 year old. He says we are not being considerate of others and we should be able to tell our kids to stop because he can hear their steps from 9 am till 6 pm. But I cannot tie them up to their chairs or threaten to punish them each time they walk in the own flat. I am at my end with this man. This man suggests I tire them in the park because that's what real parents do (I doubt he ever had kids) but I cannot be with them in the park every weekend from 9 am till 6, can I? We are out most of the days and i do tire my youngest out with the scooter but kids still walk after the park.

What I am asking of all of you is what else can this neighbour actually legally do? What else can I do? My husband says I should not open the door when I am in the flat alone with the little one and tell the guy to stop this harassment. We don't mind moving somewhere else, possibly on the ground floor in the future but we enjoy this flat at the moment as it is right next to my sons school and we live a happy life here.

I understand many people don't enjoy children with their annoying little feet but bloody hell they are humans and not robots.

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Loginmystery · 27/03/2022 21:27

As you are a family of academics then he must be the one in the wrong. Did you say you’d bought a couple more of rugs? Maybe get a couple more of acoustic underlay.

Longdistance · 27/03/2022 21:29

Tell him that if he wants peace and quiet he needs to buy a detached house in the middle of nowhere. Until then, it’s tough shit! slams door

kagerou · 27/03/2022 21:29

Next time he comes round say that his constant intrusion is boarding on harresment, that you and your children feel stressed and threatend by him and that you are politely requesting that he stops visiting your property.

Repeat this in a letter to him.

If he continues to do so keep a log of each visit and report him to the police.

Legally he can do nothing to you but you can to him as he's infringing on your rights to proper usage of your own home.

AngelinaFibres · 27/03/2022 21:34

Thud, thud, thud, thud ( small child's feet on floor) , bang of door, thud ,thud,thud, metal car hits wooden floor, followed by another 2 or 3, thud ,thud,thud, thud, scraping of chair feet on wooden floor, bang of fork and melamine dish hitting the floor, scraping of chair feet, clatter of box of lego bricks being tipped out on the wooden floor, scraping of a million small bricks as the perfect one is found,sound of adult and child/children's feet backwards and forwards at tidying time and then the bloody hoover starts. To you it is the normal sounds of family life. It will be nowhere near as loud to you because your furnishings and curtains will absorb a lot of the sound. The sound being transmitted down through the floor will be much , much louder . It would be a start if your husband went into the flat downstairs with your neighbour and listened whilst you did all the normal things you do. At least then you could hear what your neighbour hears.

Pythonesque · 27/03/2022 21:40

Personally I think it's more than time your 5 yr old started learning a musical instrument.

(coi teach violin from age 4 upwards [evil laugh])

Abaababa · 27/03/2022 21:43

Second to all that PPs have said about keeping a record, telling neighbour, preferably in writing, any further communication on this will be harassment and then calling police and Council.

In my experience, police, surprisingly, took my situation of being harassed (told builder to never contact me again but he did) very seriously.

Neighbour may also be violating the leasehold agreement with his behaviour. But you would need to work with your landlord on that, and you know your landlord - are they likely to be helpful? As a LL myself, if this happened to my tenants, I would raise hell with the fellow leaseholder, ask for evidence (like noise pollution readings) and make a complaint to the leasehold management company, and freeholder even. But only you know your LL…

TheBeautifulMoors · 27/03/2022 21:43

@Margaretmatcher

A family of academics?????
Gosh. Give the “academics” comment a rest. Geez!
Josephsrose · 27/03/2022 21:44

Wow, really not liking the piling in on the OP here.

He's a bloke, harrassing a woman when her husband isn't about.
Simple as that.

It's a good time to be assertive OP, stand up for yourself and your lovely kids. (I would have been upset too when I was younger, but now I'm 50 I would tell him some home truths in a very straight way. You are being bullied.

Best of luck.

Abaababa · 27/03/2022 21:45

P.S. Bizarre how people are obsessing over the academic comment. Sounds like petty jealousy. FWIW, I appreciated knowing a bit more of your family background and wouldn’t immediately jump to judge you for it.

TheBeautifulMoors · 27/03/2022 21:46

OP, I’m sorry you’re being given a hard time about mentioning your profession. I don’t understand why.

Hopefully, your Dc will get a nursery place soon.

I agree you should not open the door to the neighbour when you’re on your own. Your DH can clean to him when he’s around. You’ve dealt with him enough.

Lunalicious · 27/03/2022 21:48

Ignore the ridiculous academic comments @HipsterMum! For some reason on Mumsnet if you mention you have a PhD or are employed in academia people lose their minds! We are also a family of academics (i.e. my dh and I wfh doing research) and we have our youngest 2 home with us while we wfh... not quite sure why anyone is suggesting that isn't possible? You neighbour needs to get a grip, it is just normal family noise; part and parcel of living in a flat.

Karmakamelion · 27/03/2022 21:48

20:29TabithaTittlemouse

What does your 2 year old do while you are being all academic?
Walks and runs. Didn't you read the op...

sauceyorange · 27/03/2022 21:52

@Toottooot

So you think you’re better than other people because you are academics?
For gods sake. Clearly all she meant was they work from home but relatively quietly. Get over yourself
Chippingin2 · 27/03/2022 21:54

He'd go really mad if he lived below my DC! Yours sound like angels. What if you were sleep training or had a colicky baby?! What if you were avid exercisers or tantric sex people?

This man is not built to live in a flat.

VladmirsPoutine · 27/03/2022 21:54

@Pythonesque

Personally I think it's more than time your 5 yr old started learning a musical instrument.

(coi teach violin from age 4 upwards [evil laugh])

Why be so needlessly spiteful.

Though OP has done as much as she can this would drive me mad. I understand you can't strap a toddler down and there's not much else that can be done but that tiny pitter patter can really grind the gears.

TabithaTittlemouse · 27/03/2022 21:56

@toconclude I asked because it seemed completely unrelated to the post, op explained why it was relevant to the mention it. Stop being a dick.

MossyBottom · 27/03/2022 21:58

You need to give him your landlord's details and specify that carpets would make a huge difference to the noise.

I have some sympathy with the man because uncarpeted floor above you really transmit noise.

hookiewookie29 · 27/03/2022 22:01

Legally, I shouldn't imagine he can do anything. Kids make noise. Anyone who lives in a block of flats make noise. He's harassing you. Tell him if he doesn't stop then you'll take it further.

Fshkiyrcnm1 · 27/03/2022 22:04

Sounds very stressful. Mostly came on to say I'm so impressed by 6.30pm to 7.30am sleeps! Any tips?! Grin (Sorry)

BeanStew22 · 27/03/2022 22:13

Only read page 1: he is harassing you

Tell him verbally to stop, if you have his contact details email (or post a letter & keep a copy).

If he continues after that: report to the police. Your rental agreement will have the ‘rules’ & local council website will have guidelines re noise. All of this sounds like normal life so he will get nowhere with complaints

Don’t answer door to him anymore

321user123 · 27/03/2022 22:14

Maybe they mentioned to mean they are quiet as personalities due to their interests?

That’s what I took it to mean…

I enjoy a LOT of quiet hobbies and they are related to academia. Maybe she could have said that, I don’t know…

Noisyneighneigh · 27/03/2022 22:14

I thought she probably mentioned they were academics to give an idea of their day-to-day life in the flat. You wouldn't imagine an academic to be noisy, for example.

spectre1356 · 27/03/2022 22:17

I had the exact same when I moved into my 1st floor apartment with my 3 year old. Awful neighbour underneath knocked on at 1pm to tell me I HAVE to stop my daughter making a noise because she can't sleep. 3 times she did this until I got so sick of it I took my daughter to nursery and knocked on her apartment and told her she's only a little girl, I won't be stopping her playing in the afternoon, I will stop her from running and if she ever heard her being loud at night then let me know but don't knock on my door again. She never did but she had a face like a slapped arse every time she seen us. She's moved now but just thinking about her face fills me with dread & anger. But it was completely fine when her step child came with a group of friends screaming and playing with silly string on their garden bit directly underneath us 8 at night!

VladmirsPoutine · 27/03/2022 22:18

@Noisyneighneigh

I thought she probably mentioned they were academics to give an idea of their day-to-day life in the flat. You wouldn't imagine an academic to be noisy, for example.
Neither would a stoner tbh.
HipsterMum · 27/03/2022 22:22

Thank you everyone for your responses. I will email the landlord again regarding the carpet installation and see what he can do. We ordered a bigger rug for the living room and both kids got rugs in their rooms where they play things like cars. I don't however think that will resolve much. Soundproofing is pretty bad in this block of flats . Right now I can easily hear people laughing upstairs and moving chairs and my other neighbour's phone vibrating constantly.

No, we are not from Edinburgh although I used to study there and absolutely loved it .

Regarding the comments that I should have arranged childcare and my son is bored and thats why he runs around like its some kind of a bad behaviour and not a normal thing for kids to do I probably won't reply to that. He can barely even talk he is 2. As I mentioned in the original post we are waiting for a place and he will be starting nursery next term.

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