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To wonder why more people are not emetophobic?

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EmetophobicElle · 26/03/2022 12:32

I'm severely emetophobic to the extent that it affects all areas of my life. I'm phobic of being being sick, seeing anyone be sick, (this means I avoid lots of situations where someone may be sick - e.g. the cinema, theatre, restaurants, supermarkets, theme parks), seeing vomit (or vomit-like substances), catching Norovirus/stomach bugs (so have lots of cleaning compulsions and extensive avoidance etc). I know I need to get better from this and I'm having CBT at the moment.

However I was watching Last Leg last night where Josh Widdicombe was saying he's just recovered from a really nasty stomach bug and that it was awful etc. and I just wondered why are more people not phobic of vomiting and sickness bugs?

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ouch321 · 26/03/2022 22:00

Better that than the substances that emerge from the 'other end'.

NewbieDivergent · 26/03/2022 22:04

My sister has this and its affected her whole life,she is also childless through this.

EleanorDeCleaner · 26/03/2022 22:05

I'm 50 and I've been severely emetophobic my whole life. I still take medication for it - I'd struggle to work and function normally without it. I've had multiple treatments, the most effective of which was CBT, but I'll never "get over it" and there are still many situations I'll avoid or which will influence my behaviour. I had a wobble today in fact.

The whole point of a phobia is that it's irrational. I believe that when you experience something, either when very young or very vulnerable, for some reason the brain associates that experience with a sensation of fear or horror or terror or pain which, over time, becomes totally out of proportion with reality.

I suspect most people experienced vomiting as a kid as "just one of those things", unpleasant but much briefer than, say, a terrible headache or week-long flu. So they never associated anything bad with it.

But say a 4 year old child wakes up vomiting out of control, with no prior warning, and gets a bollocking from her very intimidating stepfather for messing her bed and then her mother is revolted at having to clean it up and doesn't touch or comfort her, that child is likely to associate vomiting with the worst feeling of helplessness, horror and despair forever more.

Eyeplayer · 26/03/2022 22:08

I get what you’re saying. I feel the same about flying. Like how can people be ok with being trapped in highly flammable box a million miles up in the sky

My daughter has a bad fear of vomiting and I do worry it will limit her in life

onlyconnect · 26/03/2022 22:26

I have it. Like others say, it is not just "not liking vomit". It can be quite debilitating. It restricts me certainly.
I have tried CBT which didn't help. The Thrive programme did help to a degree.

whenwillthemadnessend · 26/03/2022 22:35

My dd has it abs is getting help now by cbt and exposure therapy

On the whole she can enjoy life but school is very hard for her. Her attendance flits between 85-90 percent and she won't get as high grades as she could have if she didn't have this phobia.

She will not get in a plane now so it affects us all as we can't get her to come on holiday with us. This breaks my heart

Going to school For her is like going to school with a gun to her head the whole day.

She is the bravest person I know as she manages to do this 90% of the time.

To all of you out there. There is help and there is medication that can help you live a good life.

We haven't used meds but I wouldn't rule it out

❤️💐

Throckmorton · 26/03/2022 22:36

Well that's true but literally any person you meet might be carrying a sickness bug and literally every food could be covered in food poisoning bacteria and literally every surface/object might have viral particles on it that could cause vomiting.

Emetophobia is one of the few phobias for which people have inpatient hospital treatment on the NHS (which I have had) and for a reason!

I'm not saying it's not a cripling phobia, just that other ones are too. I have had a phobia in the past (thankfully now mostly gone, with treatment) and it was all-consuming

bumblingbovine49 · 26/03/2022 22:51

I don't like vomiting, I don't imagine many people do but I actually prefer it to feeling nauseous. Feeling nauseous for a long time without being able to relieve the feeling with vomiting is my idea of hell. Vomiting is pretty unpleasant but it is usually over pretty quickly and generally you feel a bit better afterwards,even if it is only a temporary respite.

Obviously cleaning up is not nice all but sometimes is necessary.

AlmostAJillSandwich · 26/03/2022 22:55

I'm affraid of the wretching part making me wet myself, or it coming out both ends if a bug, finally experienced the second last year thanks to a bout of noro :(

Somethingsnappy · 26/03/2022 23:20

It would be interesting to know what has triggered this particular phobia for sufferers. Something from their childhoods? Does anyone who has this phobia have any insight into what caused theirs?

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 26/03/2022 23:47

You answered your own question when you said it effects every aspect of your life. Most people do not want a phobia ruining their lives.

You have an anxiety illness, there is absolutely no rational reason to fear being sick. It's an entirely normal way for your body to get rid of something it's doesn't like.

By avoiding doing something due to the fear of being sick you trained your brain to properly fear something that is in reality is a minor inconvenience (if it even actually happens which it may not!)

EmetophobicElle · 26/03/2022 23:55

@Tonsiltrouble

I’m emetophobic, it’s a disaster if one of the children is sick (I’ve taken many a 3am shower just in case). I can’t clean up anyone’s sick (except the kids) and get panicked if I learn that another child has been sick near my child, or in a timeframe that might put them at risk. Even baby posset was upsetting for me, and my first had reflux which was vile.

That said, it does not stop me from living a relatively normal life. I would not avoid the theatre or the cinema as I don’t consider that to be a particularly likely vomit source. Restaurants with dirty/sticky tables give me the ick though. And street food. At a theme park I would probably be fine; I don’t think I’ve seen much sick there, and the supermarket isn’t especially sicky either.

I’ve managed to do two whole pregnancies without a single vom (though I did feel pretty sick) and tend not to vomit with tummy bugs either. I seem to be able to go to great lengths to avoid actually vomiting.

That's really encouraging to read. I'm sorry you still do have this horrible phobia though!
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EmetophobicElle · 27/03/2022 00:01

[quote JKDcot]@EmetophobicElle I have struggled with emetophobia since I was a teenager. I’m now 40….
I have tried the Thrive program and CBT but found it hasn’t helped me much. I still go into a complete panic when or if I feel nauseous.
I avoid triggers, I won’t go on a boat, won’t fly on a small plane, sit in the front seat in any car/bus, run a mile if anyone says noro, won’t eat cheap meat or food past the sell by date

Now I get that’sa long list and might seem mad to some. But I think they’re so sensible things regular people do I’m just extra precautionary

The one thing I had to manage was pregnancy. I wanted to be a mother. Morning sickness was the biggest fear I could have thought about. But. I did it. I hated it. Won’t do it again. But I got through it.

I have methods to help if I feel nauseous and some great friends who I lean on for support. You can handle it x[/quote]
Hi JKDcot,

I'm so sorry you've had to struggle with this condition for a long time- that's similar to my own story- I've had Emetophobia and OCD since age 7 and I'm in my early 30s now.
I have found the same with CBT so far but I'm hoping that the approach was just wrong last time and that CBT can still help me this time.

Well done with coping through pregnancy- that's a huge achievement for an Emetophobe.

Which methods do you find helpful if you feel nauseous?

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EmetophobicElle · 27/03/2022 00:03

@Somethingsnappy

It would be interesting to know what has triggered this particular phobia for sufferers. Something from their childhoods? Does anyone who has this phobia have any insight into what caused theirs?
Well everyone is different but I think serious family illness and some other traumatic memories associated with vomiting and choking caused mine.
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giggly · 27/03/2022 03:59

@JKDcot

I am also emetophobic and can understand your perspective *@EmetophobicElle*

I think as it’s our worst fear, all the build up and rituals put in place to avoid it make the issue bigger. So many things “could” trigger you getting sick, so it takes over day to day life.

I think others with a more rational dislike of it only really think about it on the few occasions they feel unwell.

I wish I could fix this phobia but really still struggle

You can “fix it” all phobias are completely treatable. CBT or EMDR are your best bets.
pinkstripeycat · 27/03/2022 04:14

Loads of people are. I can’t read your post past the title I’m so bad

thewhatsit · 27/03/2022 04:29

I’m still quite confused about the question, even having read all the responses.

I don’t like seeing sick but I have young DC and though I didn’t have morning sickness - both times were probably in fact the longest I’ve ever gone without being sick! - it means cleaning up sick pretty regularly. Both were sicky babies but then the worse one grew out of it and was only sick once past 1 year. The other one who was less sicky is now as a child quite prone to being sick - she seems to catch sickness bugs every few months that no one else in the house gets. I’m quite used now to directing her to be sick on me to spare whatever we are sitting / lying on before I can get us to a bathroom.

It’s a fairly unpleasant part of life but I wouldn’t want to ruin my life by avoiding it and I don’t find it any more unpleasant than lots of things. Nappies were sometimes more disgusting than sick and I was well acquainted with them too… 🤷‍♀️

1forAll74 · 27/03/2022 05:01

I hate seeing people being sick, retching in the toilet or on the floor or wherever. but I wouldn't have a problem cleaning all the mess up at all/

LimeSegment · 27/03/2022 05:48

I wouldn't say it's nice but I'm fine with vomiting. I find nausea a lot worse so if I ever start feeling sick I make myself vomit straight away if I can.

I understand you have a phobia OP but you aren't being very self aware here, or understanding of others.

Other people can be just as impacted by other phobias. You can't rationalise that yours is the worst and can't be avoided but others aren't that bad and can be avoided. The problem is just in your mind, going to the cinema for example, is realistically a 100% chance no vomit activity. And unlike for example, being at heights, vomiting isn't dangerous (the opposite, it can save your life if you injest poisen). The exact same way you see potential for vomit everywhere, others may see the potential for their phobia.

thalassa00 · 27/03/2022 05:56

@EmetophobicElle solidarity, I have this too - I could have written your post, and have been scrolling incredulously at all the posters saying "it's just sick" etc. 

I come out in a cold sweat if I read on a local Facebook page that "there's a bug doing the rounds", or, worse, if I hear there's a vomiting bug doing the rounds at school (I try not to listen to other parents' chatter at drop-off/pick-up, as I am paranoid that everyone is talking about how their DC have been recently sick).

Just like @bumblenbean , after I hear about a bug or feel that we have been in a situation where we might have picked something up, I then calculate how long since the potential exposure and work out when I feel "safe" that no-one has caught anything. A lot of worrying goes on during that possible 'incubation period', and hypervigilance for any symptoms in me or another family member (silently!! - I do try to keep all my worry in my head, I am very conscious about not wanting to pass this anxiety on to my DC).

I have a lot of cleaning rituals that I do whenever we return from anywhere public (and especially when DC come back from school Wink) - although I think they are proportionate and sensible (of course I do! ). I too am very avoidant - eg I have only ever been to soft play once, for me that is the worst place (especially as it seems kids often do get vomiting bugs from soft play).

I will avoid public toilets when out and about, and try and hold on for as long as possible, for fear that people have been being sick in them and I will catch something. I've had to temper this somewhat since DC toilet trained and of course if they need to go when out, I have to take them! I suppose that's a bit like exposure therapy? (I try and tell myself in the hours afterwards "look, we went to a public toilet today and everyone is still fine, no-one caught anything").

I also get very VERY angry at people disregarding the "48hr rule" and going out and about whilst contagious with a vomiting bug. Especially sending kids to school whilst infectious. WHY inflict this avoidable misery on the rest of us? I really wish public health gave more prominence to vomiting bugs, and especially noro - I think it should be a notifiable disease (it is in other countries).

For me, my phobia isn't the act of being sick (or helping a family member who is being sick) that is the issue - as pp say that is unpleasant but you just get on with it. I was sick a lot in my pregnancies. It's a) the cleaning - again not the act of cleaning, just that takes ages to get through all the washing/drying, and I panic about the duvet etc getting sick on (hard to wash!) - and b) the disruption to plans. I often have a lot going on, and the thought of having to cancel plans and let people down as a vomiting bug makes its way around the family is the worst thing, I think.

@Somethingsnappy Does anyone who has this phobia have any insight into what caused theirs?

I have wondered about this. I have vivid memories of a school holiday ruined by a vomiting bug when I was in primary (went through whole family in sequence). It stopped us going on a planned holiday to my grandparents' house, which I used to love. I remember it being a really quiet and boring holiday. So I think that's the root of it, and it ties in with "potential disruption to plans" being a big part of my phobia.

However, I wouldn't say I was phobic right from that point - I don't remember being avoidant or hypervigilant about sickness bugs until I became a parent.

I'm working on my emetophobia with my therapist and really hoping it will reduce the time and mental effort that I expend on this. One strategy that I have found helpful is to bring my focus back to the present, like mindfulness - "no-one is being sick right now, if someone is sick in the next second/minute/hour/day I will deal with it then, but in this moment everything is OK". And repeat.

Daffodil

CoalCraft · 27/03/2022 06:11

I find being sick very unpleasant and also dislike hearing/seeing someone being sick and seeing sick on the ground. If my daughter's sick and my husband isn't around to help, i have to do my absolute best not to breathe through my nose as the smell males me gag.

But there are lots of unpleasant things in life. I don't like having blood drawn, I don't like pelvic exams and I don't like lateral flow tests, and I regard vomit and vomiting as being in a similar vein. I know it's going to be unpleasant and uncomfortable, but I also know it won't kill me and that once it's over, it's over, so I just grin and bear it.

Hebeee · 27/03/2022 06:40

@Somethingsnappy I'm 55 and for me it started when I was about five, in school when a classmate threw up all over a large piece of art we were all working on. I later found a bit of her (yellow!) vom on my blue cardigan and for some unfathomable reason got scared that I'd be next to throw up in class in front of everyone.

From then onwards I hated eating out - at parties and suchlike - and refused to eat anything out of my home environment in case I was sick. Then, a couple of years later (when I was seven or eight) a friend threw up then fainted in assembly and I became convinced I'd do similar so - and I absolutely adored school and was a bright pupil - I began pretending to be ill to avoid going to school just in case. I was off for a couple of weeks with a 'cold', then my mum insisted there was nothing wrong with me so I'd have to go back. She literally had to drag me there and I ended up in the headmaster's office being threatened with the cane if I played truant again ☹️

Another incident occurred when we had a fish and chip supper one Friday evening (I was definitely eight then) and next morning I was really sick. Not sure what convinced me, but I decided it was the chips fault....so I point blank refused to eat chips of any kind for SEVEN years, till I was on a school trip to France, just after my 15th birthday 🙄 Suffice to say I was fine after eating some!

I also once saw a younger kid helped off a bus by their mum, only to puke in the street. That freaked me out about travelling on buses for ages.

I continued to eat out rarely as I grew up. Family occasions were fun (not!!!) as I'd only eat salads in restaurants at home or on holiday and I was extremely picky on the rare occasion I went for tea at friends' houses. When I was sixteen I'd been to an under 18s disco at the local YMCA. On returning home I was starving so my mum made me a mushroom omelette. I spent the night throwing up - probably the (undercooked?) omelette - and I've not eaten mushrooms or omelettes ever since... almost forty years!

Fortunately when I was pregnant with DS I didn't have morning sickness and amazingly he wasn't a sicky baby/child - apart from milky vom (which curiously I was fine with). I can only recall him being sick twice and one of those was when he choked on a raw carrot when he was three. I was fine with that too. Otoh, when he threw up in the bed aged about five, I had to get DH to deal with it. I couldn't clear up someone else's vom, even now.

In fact, when my eighty-something mum (who had Alzheimer's) was unwell with a d&v bug, she had a locum doctor visit the house and I had to excuse myself when mum said she thought she was going to throw up. I felt a complete idiot but couldn't bear the thought of being in the room if she puked.

Likewise DH - the only time he's been sick around me, DS (who was 17) took him to the loo and stayed with him. I couldn't deal with it.

I also once, extremely irrationally, asked one of DS's eighteen year old female friends to leave our home after she got terribly drunk and I was worried she'd vom everywhere.

These days I'm actually not too bad - I can eat out ok, but do avoid obvious stuff that might cause food poisoning and I wouldn't eat at certain family members' or friends' homes.

Luckily 🤞 I'm not sick very often. As a child I was car sick (the leather upholstery in my dad's car always set me off), but that passed and I'm fine on boats/planes. I hate going to the cinema or theatre though as I always had a fear - strangely not of others being sick - that during the performance/film I'd get ill in the middle of a row of seats and be unable to get out before puking everywhere.

Last time I threw up was five years ago. DH was away, which was good as I hate others seeing me vom too.

I've never sought any help for this as I hadn't considered it a real problem - just an idiosyncracy of mine.

I'm sorry you are like this too, @EmetophobicElle ☹️

whenwillthemadnessend · 27/03/2022 06:44

Some of these comments like the one below this one just show how people have little understanding of this phobia and probably all phobia.

If I'm not scared why should
You be.

If your afraid of spiders for example imagine living life with the possibility of a huge spider landing on your shoulder at any moment

This is life for an emet

It's like living life with a man following you around with a gun to your head. The fear can be that real

whenwillthemadnessend · 27/03/2022 06:44

My comments refer to coalcraft

merrymelodies · 27/03/2022 07:00

Having nursed DC through years of gastric upsets, it doesn't bother me except that I hate to see them suffer. It's not fun to clean up, either.