LGB vs LGBTQI etc

[Whoistheexpert]

Why was the T (and others) ever added to the LGB acronym?

The T (trans) is surely related to gender and not ones sexual orientation?

Am I missing something 😵‍💫

Puberty can begin at age 9 in boys though, would you prefer them to go in the gents alone?

Bloody hell kids should be going to the appropriate loo for their sex well before the age of 9!!! Most us have plenty of experience of hovering outside the gents waiting for a six or seven year old ds shouting 'make sure you wash your hands'!

Single sex spaces not gender. You seem quite confused. And why would it be so terrible for little boys to go in the gents? Are you saying men can be dangerous.

@bellinisurge

"They still can't and I don't get why the existence of single gender spaces is such a big deal in the first place, are you worried trans women are going to take your partners? Have you been personally victimised by a trans person? I most certainly haven't. Plenty of cis men have made me feel unsafe though."

If my partner wants to sleep with a transwoman or trans man they are free to do so. As long as they end their relationship with me. Similarly another man or woman.
This "are you worried we're prettier than you" is just more tedious mean girls bullshit that I have no interest in.

What's the worry then? That all transwomen are going to be attracted to you? I don't get it.

I'll pee in a cubicle next to the hulk if it means people can identify as their preferred gender.

That's nice dear, but what about the women who don't feel the same as you? Or do they not matter 'as long as people (men) can identify as their preferred gender?

Anyone would think @Cheetocat that you realise that women and children shouldn't be near adult men they don't know when vulnerable

My son started using the gents age 8/9 - he wanted to.

I have never actually been somewhere and thought "phew, there's only women here", it doesn't cross my mind

Sure. It doesn't affect you. I get that.

But what about women who've been taped or abused by men and may be triggered by a male body? Shouldn't they have the right (for example) to have counselling/therapy in a female only environment?

You’re very subservient to men and their feelings cheet. You need to work on that inferiority complex.

"What's the worry then? That all transwomen are going to be attracted to you? I don't get it."
You trotted out this "are you scared you're going to lose your partner to a trans person ". Like all the shit photos on social media of transwomen saying "GC women hate me because im so pretty ".

In that case, how do you know you wont realise you were wrong about this topic in a few years if things you're passionate about can suddenly change? You know this trend of women gathering together and acting victimised by all trans people is fairly recent?

Yeah it is fairly recent, it kind of started when men began posting stuff on twitter like 'I'm a woman and if you don't think so you can suck my dick'....funny that isn't it?

I can go out in the world and be seen as a woman without being judged for it or feeling unsafe

Good for you. I've been judged for being a woman many times and have felt 'unsafe' because of men more times that I can remember.

Transwomen are the safest demographic in the UK. The least likely to be attacked or murdered yet we are constantly told they are the most 'unsafe' and 'vulnerable'. Utter bullshit.

Those that have severe dysphoria should get help for their mental health, but dysphoria doesn't mean you are the wrong sex. We don't 'affirm' people with anorexia by telling them they are fat and sending them off to get a gastric band.

Puberty blockers are a harmless pause button eh? More bullshit.

90%+ of all children with dysphoria grow out of it. (Proving that it isn't anything innate) Yet almost 100% of kids who start on blockers go on to cross sex hormones.

Also an lgbtq+ person here who is happy to have the T included, as are all my gay/lesvbian/bi friends. We understand what it is to be othered, to be attacked simply because of who we are, to be told we are a danger to children, to be called perverted, to be made to feel ashamed, to be closeted...we stand with our trans brothers and sisters.

They still can't and I don't get why the existence of single gender spaces is such a big deal in the first place, are you worried trans women are going to take your partners?

Hilarious. No I promise you that is not something I worry about.

God I'm bored of this.

Men can't be women whatever special identities they may have.

T is an umbrella term which includes cross dressers. Let that sink in. Men who fetishise women.

I think some of you think it's about men with dysphoria who need to change their bodies. It isn't. Most of them keep their penis, and even if you are talking about a gay male who decides to transition surgically why does he need to be in womens spaces?

This is not about a community. It's turned into a cult.

It's not about inclusion.

It's turned into intrusion.

I will not stand by and watch lesbians bullied and coerced, our biological reality role played abs larped or our non conforming kids become life long medical patients.

The T has become a big male Tantrum, a mens rights movement, authoritarian and I'm saying no.

Yeah it is fairly recent, it kind of started when men began posting stuff on twitter like 'I'm a woman and if you don't think so you can suck my dick'....funny that isn't it?

YY. I'm not sure if this poster is being deliberately obtuse or is genuinely so.

When young girls and women arc having double mastectomies it must make all of us think what is going on

Girls as young as 13.

Why are girls doing this

It’s deeply troubling

10 or even 5 years ago this wasn’t happening

Why now

Girls and women mutilating their bodies in the hope of what ?

@Cheetocat

Why have you felt unsafe around men?

Do you think they are all attracted to you?

Do you think male violence towards women is about attraction rather than power?

How can I tell the difference between a man and a transwoman?

If you felt unsafe around men and I feel unsafe around men and I can discern no difference between men and transwomen, why is it unacceptable for me to feel unsafe around transwomen?

If the man you were scared of had told you he was a transwoman would your fear have disappeared?

If it did, would that have increased or decreased the likelihood of you being raped or murdered?

Lesbians won’t rape me even if they find me attractive and lesbians won’t rape me to exert their dominance over me. All men, including transwomen, are a potential threat to me on a way that no woman or transman is, lesbian or not.

As a bi woman with a lot of lesbian friends - no, nobody I know feels sidelined. My friendship group and wider social circle is very supportive of trans people remaining included under the LGBT+ umbrella, including my oldest friend (who is a lesbian) working with young trans people in a local community support organisation (not 100% identifying info but if she's seeing this she'll know it's her and I know she has a stalk through MN occasionally... hello ).

I don’t consider myself any sort of expert, but I am bi (just out of a LTR of 15y) and recently returned to the dating world and it feels like another planet where everything in the old ‘LGB’ space is given over to trans issues. Online just feels like a horrible troll-fest!

I have to admit to probably having been living under some sort of rock the last decade

I can understand how it must feel like that. The misogyny of the trans movement took my breath away at first but it's wallpaper now.

So remind me again how exactly these women have your imaginary 'cis' privilege?
A man's FEELINGS being given priority over women's reality is the fucking definition oppression.

This. Wake up.

@MadameDragon

Yet another member of the LGB happy to include the T and bored of straight people having any opinion about it.

You do realise @madamdragon that 80% of transwomen are literally straight men - so if you really are bored of straight people having an opinion about who's included in LGB'T' you will be ignoring the T.

@jeaux90

God I'm bored of this.

Men can't be women whatever special identities they may have.

T is an umbrella term which includes cross dressers. Let that sink in. Men who fetishise women.

I think some of you think it's about men with dysphoria who need to change their bodies. It isn't. Most of them keep their penis, and even if you are talking about a gay male who decides to transition surgically why does he need to be in womens spaces?

This is not about a community. It's turned into a cult.

It's not about inclusion.

It's turned into intrusion.

I will not stand by and watch lesbians bullied and coerced, our biological reality role played abs larped or our non conforming kids become life long medical patients.

The T has become a big male Tantrum, a mens rights movement, authoritarian and I'm saying no.

This. With fucking bells on.

It was definitely LGBsoc at my large 90s university, not LGBT and certainly not any other letters. Maybe there was trans club but I wasn't aware of any 🤷‍♀️ it feels like retconning history, like "a trans woman threw the first brick at Stonewall" which is also not true as far as I know. I occasionally used to go to gay clubs with my friends and there weren't any obvious trans people there then.

This was the late 90s, as well.

@Ijustreallywantacat

I'm an active part of an LGBT (mostly L) group IRL. We include and ard not threatened by transwomen. There is no talk of the cotton ceiling, and people are very welcome to say no and are not called transphobic. Some transwomen in my circle are dating cis women, some are dating other transwomenm and they are lesbians according to us and them. I have never, ever felt uncomfortable in a bathroom with them and for the most part, you wouldn't know. It's all very well being gender critical. I certainly have my thoughts. But being dismissive and scaremongering towards trans people does nothing but alienate them, as well as the vast majority of LGB people, including me, who welcome them. I was in an LGBT youth group in my younger teen years and we included the T then.

Fine for you to not mind sharing a bathroom with males but it is not your place to suggest that all other women should be fine with this, too.