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Will Labour ever get back in?

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Blueblossompinksky · 20/03/2022 10:32

My understanding is that the labour majority was in part because of the Scottish vote, which seems to have gone to the SNP.

I realise it’s unlikely that the Tories will get back in with such a large majority as 2019 but will there actually be enough seats for Labour to win?

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MapleMay11 · 20/03/2022 21:54

If anyone wants to a very good reason not to vote Labour, take a look at Wales.

This alone would put me off voting Labour but there are many other reasons. I don't see the Labour party getting into power for many years in its current form.

jcyclops · 20/03/2022 21:59

Will Labour ever get back in?
Yes they will, but not until they are led by someone like Lisa Nandy's son.

Elodie9 · 20/03/2022 21:59

Urbanbuddha least worse option then given that democracy is better than any other way?
If Tory spin had not grabbed and run with this "What is a woman" debate they would have found something else because that is just what their PR does.

urbanbuddha · 20/03/2022 22:18

Democracy means voting for the party or person who best represents the views you agree with. And for me atm that's neither Labour or Conservative.

StoneofDestiny · 20/03/2022 22:34

Why would anybody vote Labour when you can have a Tory Government led by a bloke who equates Brexit to the Ukrainian invasion and slaughter of innocents. A Tory PM who talks to the Chiefs of Industry about Peppa Pig. A Tory Government who broke their own laws about lockdown and lied about it. A PM who let the unelected Cummings run the country and who surrounds himself with some of the most odious figures in politics.
Hell no, Johnson and the Tories are so fantastically trustworthy with Johnson himself a proven prolific liar, blundering decision maker and racist and misogynistic oaf ............why on Earth would any person with a working moral compass want to vote them out?

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 20/03/2022 22:57

More than one party is available

A number of posters have said a number of times that just because they don’t vote labour doesn’t mean they will vote tory…and still more have said that labour are not the most logical vote to remove the tories in their constituency

urbanbuddha · 20/03/2022 23:01

Why would anybody vote Labour when you can have a Tory Government led by a bloke who equates Brexit to the Ukrainian invasion and slaughter of innocents. A Tory PM who talks to the Chiefs of Industry about Peppa Pig. A Tory Government who broke their own laws about lockdown and lied about it. A PM who let the unelected Cummings run the country and who surrounds himself with some of the most odious figures in politics.
Hell no, Johnson and the Tories are so fantastically trustworthy with Johnson himself a proven prolific liar, blundering decision maker and racist and misogynistic oaf ............why on Earth would any person with a working moral compass want to vote them out?

What a pity Labour can't grasp how very serious and damaging its lack of a firm stance on women's rights is. Maybe you could let them know.

ilovesooty · 20/03/2022 23:07

@urbanbuddha

Why would anybody vote Labour when you can have a Tory Government led by a bloke who equates Brexit to the Ukrainian invasion and slaughter of innocents. A Tory PM who talks to the Chiefs of Industry about Peppa Pig. A Tory Government who broke their own laws about lockdown and lied about it. A PM who let the unelected Cummings run the country and who surrounds himself with some of the most odious figures in politics. Hell no, Johnson and the Tories are so fantastically trustworthy with Johnson himself a proven prolific liar, blundering decision maker and racist and misogynistic oaf ............why on Earth would any person with a working moral compass want to vote them out?

What a pity Labour can't grasp how very serious and damaging its lack of a firm stance on women's rights is. Maybe you could let them know.

What evidence do you have that it is damaging in terms of their prospects of being elected? Are there surveys in existence that prove that is the case?
Copin · 20/03/2022 23:11

Labour have been ahead in the polls for a couple of months now. Does that mean they will win in 2024? No, but I don’t think you can discount it.

urbanbuddha · 20/03/2022 23:23

What evidence do you have that it is damaging in terms of their prospects of being elected? Are there surveys in existence that prove that is the case?

2019 General Election.

Birdy474 · 20/03/2022 23:34

@jcyclops

Will Labour ever get back in? Yes they will, but not until they are led by someone like Lisa Nandy's son.
Lisa Nandy was caught on video saying she'd incarcerate rapists inside women's prisons. Is he much different from his mum or does the apple not fall far from the tree.
Florenz · 20/03/2022 23:37

How on earth can people not see how damaging it is? In 2 years time, the Daily Mail or Sun put on their front page "Labour Don't Believe in Women" and Labour MPs are challenged to refute it, and they can't. That's the election over. Why the fuck can't they see this when it's blindly obvious to everyone else? What the fuck is wrong with them?

Yeahthat · 20/03/2022 23:48

@Copin

Labour have been ahead in the polls for a couple of months now. Does that mean they will win in 2024? No, but I don’t think you can discount it.
If they didn't have at least a narrow lead in the polls now, given partygate, horrific inflation etc, then Labour may as well abolish itself.
MuggleMadness · 20/03/2022 23:49

@Alicesweewonders

Serious question; Has anyone asked Boris what definition of a women is?
I think his response would belong in a mens magazine (or worse!f) but thankfully there are more people in the CP than the aptly initialled prime minister BJ
Yeahthat · 20/03/2022 23:56

@RoccosGirl

The most experienced campaigners for women’s rights in the country, from Joan Smith to Julie Bindel couldn’t have been more strongly against misogyny being made a hate crime. They laid out their reasons clearly and brilliantly. Essentially it would completely backfire.

And how can you possibly have a specific hate crime against a group of people you can’t even define?

The woke 'feminists' - the ones that Starmer, Nandy et al are getting their ideas from - cancelled Julie Bindel. I'm sure Nottingham University recently cancelled a talk by her as a danger to their students.
AllOfUsAreDead · 21/03/2022 00:21

@urbanbuddha

But we are going to allow all of that to happen because Labour don't know what a woman is. Nor does Boris! Someone quoted earlier that he refused to say that only women have a cervix. So he is the exact same as Labour, and yet you'll all vote for him and the measures to make our lives worse?

Not voting Labour does not equal voting Conservative.
Unfortunately Labour is refusing to listen to women's very valid concerns and that's a line in the sand for me. I value the NHS but I also want DD to have safe spaces if she needs them and to be able to compete fairly in competitive sports if it turns out that's her thing. It's a shame Keir Starmer can't show the same committment to women's issues that he did to anti-semitism. He doesn't even seem to acknowledge or understand the concerns.

Boris is actually worse really. He has gotten how many women pregnant and then ran off? He seems to see himself as simply a sperm donor. And we allow this behaviour to be applauded.

No-one I know, of any political persuasion, applauds this behaviour. He has the public schoolboy's attitude that women are lesser beings and he himself seems to view them as disposable. That's deplorable. But it doesn't give Labour the right to ignore women's views.

But nor do the tories, or lib dems. So who do you have left, the greens? Snp are no better, they are introducing mixed sex toilets only into schools and teaching 4 year olds that they might be trans. Good way to confuse the poor kids. Bj considers women to be no more than objects. And we know what the tories are like, we've had them in for 12 years now, has anything improved? It's not like you're trading a non sexist party for a sexist party, they all are.

Loads of people applaud this behaviour, I imagine most of his cabinet does. Certainly a lot of his party won't give a shit. Bet most of his Eton buddies had a good laugh whenever he did it again.

Nothing gives Labour or anyone else the right to ignore women's views no. But don't kid yourself that the tories care is all I'm saying. You mean fuck all to them, trust me. They only care about themselves.

AllOfUsAreDead · 21/03/2022 00:23

@Slothtoes

AllofUs I agree with what you’re saying and think it’s awful that someone with Boris Johnson’s lack of integrity is running the country- but that’s a huge insult to sperm donors, who have actually done something altruistic for other people. Smile
True but I didnt know what else to call him in reference to him having kids. He's certainly no father that's for sure. Can give him a lot of swear words as a description... Grin
TooBigForMyBoots · 21/03/2022 00:30

The tories are a disgrace but Labour have well and truly planted their flag in the TWAW ground and for that reason they deserve to lose.

PM Johnson has refused to say that only women have a cervix.
GRA Reform is a Conservative policy introduced under Theresa May.
The Conservative government with their 80 seat majority could enshrine the rights of women. They haven't.
The Conservative government with their 80 seat majority could make misogyny a hate crime. They didn't.
Rates of trans presenting folk and TRAs has grown massively under successive Tory governments.
Penny Mordaunt has repeatedly used her position on the Front Bench to push TWAW and oppose common sense ammendments by the HoL. She is tipped as a potential future leader and PM.
Crispin Blunt, Conservative MP, has reported women for retweeting JKR.

On top of all that, the Tory party is a shit party for women.

urbanbuddha · 21/03/2022 00:33

But don't kid yourself that the tories care is all I'm saying. You mean fuck all to them, trust me. They only care about themselves.

I know the Tories don't care. I'd cut off my right hand before I'd vote for them. However it's massively discouraging that Labour - with one or two honourable exceptions - don't give a flying about women's rights. Who will I vote for? I don't know yet but I know for certain that it won't be Labour with its current stance. It's incredibly poor that the line from Labour supporyers seems to be "Boris is an arse so you'll have to vote Labour". Sorry guys, my vote is precious. You'll have to give me something more than that.

ilovesooty · 21/03/2022 01:44

@urbanbuddha

What evidence do you have that it is damaging in terms of their prospects of being elected? Are there surveys in existence that prove that is the case?

2019 General Election.

I don't consider that evidence of that particular issue resulting alone in Labour's failure to be elected.
ilovesooty · 21/03/2022 01:46

@Florenz

How on earth can people not see how damaging it is? In 2 years time, the Daily Mail or Sun put on their front page "Labour Don't Believe in Women" and Labour MPs are challenged to refute it, and they can't. That's the election over. Why the fuck can't they see this when it's blindly obvious to everyone else? What the fuck is wrong with them?
There is nothing wrong with me, thank you.
ilovesooty · 21/03/2022 01:48

@TooBigForMyBoots

The tories are a disgrace but Labour have well and truly planted their flag in the TWAW ground and for that reason they deserve to lose.

PM Johnson has refused to say that only women have a cervix.
GRA Reform is a Conservative policy introduced under Theresa May.
The Conservative government with their 80 seat majority could enshrine the rights of women. They haven't.
The Conservative government with their 80 seat majority could make misogyny a hate crime. They didn't.
Rates of trans presenting folk and TRAs has grown massively under successive Tory governments.
Penny Mordaunt has repeatedly used her position on the Front Bench to push TWAW and oppose common sense ammendments by the HoL. She is tipped as a potential future leader and PM.
Crispin Blunt, Conservative MP, has reported women for retweeting JKR.

On top of all that, the Tory party is a shit party for women.

Well said.
MangyInseam · 21/03/2022 02:06

Ever? Sure, I imagine so. Soon? I am not so sure.

I think a lot of people would liek a change, even many people who are not attached to any particular party. Not just because of the issues around this particular PM and government, but many people think that it's better of one party does not have things to easy and stay in power too long. It also helps to create a certain amount of balance in policy approaches.

But Labour seems like they are actually trying to stay out of power a lot of the time. Or maybe it's that they don't see actually trying to win enough votes to govern as their real job? They behave like a minor party rather than a group that might expect to have a change at winning an election.

It's true that becoming irrelevant in Scotland is a problem for them, but so is the fact that their constituency now is a fairly narrow group - urban university educated socially liberal people. The more they narrow their appeal, the worse chance they have, but narrowing seems to be their direction of travel, even now.

Maybe it means that it is time for a new party to take their place as the second major party, as they themselves did in the past. But I can't see who that would be.

MangyInseam · 21/03/2022 02:06

Ack - please excuse typos, I am obviously sleepy!

Florenz · 21/03/2022 02:13

I honestly despair at Labour. They blame the "right wing press" quite often. The right wing press has been around for as long as there has been a press. Labour has been in in power several times since then. They know the Sun and Daily Mail are going to report negatively on whatever they do. So why don't they take it into account instead of just throwing up their hands? In Chess you have to think about 30 moves ahead, Labour struggle to think one move ahead, they do something, the right wing press reports negatively on it, and Labour throw up their hands saying "what can we do".

I honestly don't know what the solution is. Where are these politicians coming from? Why are they all so absolutely useless?