Will Labour ever get back in?

[Blueblossompinksky]

My understanding is that the labour majority was in part because of the Scottish vote, which seems to have gone to the SNP.

I realise it’s unlikely that the Tories will get back in with such a large majority as 2019 but will there actually be enough seats for Labour to win?

@Mistygreyeyes

Johnson cocks up and the next day yet another labour bashing thread with hundreds of ex labour voters (yeah right ) promising to vote for the tories because Labour don't know what a woman is. What about a thread criticising the actual government for the numerous cluster fucks they've caused which involve millions of women and children like austerity ? But no lets divert attention. Again..

Yes I know. What a coincidence 🤔

The funny thing is, Tories blatantly do not give a monster fuck about women either, or anyone below the poverty line, the disabled, public sector workers, kids who barely get fed, basically anyone under the age of 50. I could go on.....

@AgentProvocateur

Not now that they’ve alienated 50% of the population by their inability to define a woman.

I'm pretty gender critical, but when it comes to looking at the bigger picture Labour are the only hope for working class women and children. It might help some people to remember which party has done the most damage to our sex with its policies in the last 12 years. It is often mentioned on here that labour and Lib Dem's don't know what a woman is, but what are the Tories position on trans rights? Or rather, what party has been in power for the last 12 years. I'll give you a clue, it ain't labour. At the end of the day we will have to decide, as a country, whether trans rights are more important than feeding people, protecting the NHS, investing in public services...or are we saying that arguing about trans rights are more important than families not having to choose between heating and eating.

Unfortunately the shitty authoritarian atmosphere created by the extremely privileged and sexist adherents of gender identity politics, means that in real life, lots of us don’t feel free to talk about this. We can’t because we fear the consequences for ourselves or others if we do. MN deserves praise for allowing women to talk to each other about their lives, which current mainstream political party thinking would say is being ‘hateful’.

Again. Not voting Labour does not mean voting Conservative.

What @Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky said

Perfectly put

'Who wants the lying head the ball crazy clown car gender nutter party in. Lol. Not me.'

Nor me. 😂

Sorry but nobody’s arguing about trans rights. Trans people have rights under the Equality Act like everyone else and that’s all good.

We’re arguing about women’s rights, under severe attack from an authoritarian, anti-democratic, wildly misogynistic political agenda.

Not until they grow up and start standing for something other than a typical British class-based power stitch-up, and remember who they’re supposed to stand for.

They could get in again but I don’t think Keir Starmer is ever going to be PM. This man apparently has decided to go around saying that he doesn’t know what socialism is and feels the need to be called Sir. He isn’t a creature of the Labour Party.

Labour should be the ones calling out the shit that the Tories are doing to the UK, but no they don’t - they leave it to Marcus Rashford.

but what are the Tories position on trans rights? Or rather, what party has been in power for the last 12 years. I'll give you a clue, it ain't labour.

The UK is massively behind other western nations (US, Canada, NZ, Aus) in the progression of trans rights at the expense of women and this is part due to having the Conservatives in power for the last decade, without them it would have been much worse. It is also likely due to UK being 'distracted' by Brexit, and then that rolling into COVID and now the potential for WW3, which has meant thankfully less progress on Gender ideology in the UK

@Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky

Expanding the definition of women to include men, and on the basis of their own declaration which is what Labour unacceptably want to do, destroys any hope of evidence based policy making

Want to tackle issues around woman’s pay or violence against women or the under representation of women in politics or womens poverty or improving woman’s health? How do you do that when you don’t know if you counting biological women or including men who feel like women? Whose testimony are you listening too - biological womens or men who feel like women? Are they not very different experiences?

And the evidence of the last years shows us that there is nothing women have that TW won’t try & get in on. Programmes to increase womens representation in politics & STEM , sport, the menopause & even still birth ffs

It’s not just that we will be forced to include TW in all women related things, it’s that they will be privileged over women because they already are. Witness how rules and guidelines everywhere are being torn up in the face of objections from women to appease them

Plus as said above. Men no matter how they present are not women & I will not vote for any party whose MPs are hell bent in paddling such patent fucking nonsense

Perfectly put, thank you @Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky

The pathway to government for Labour is a coalition. Can't see it happening otherwise.

Labour party, who are they?

Sorry but nobody’s arguing about trans rights. Trans people have rights under the Equality Act like everyone else and that’s all good.

We’re arguing about women’s rights, under severe attack from an authoritarian, anti-democratic, wildly misogynistic political agenda.

^Exactly.

'Who wants the lying head the ball crazy clown car gender nutter party in. Lol. Not me.'

Nor me.

Nor me.
But that doesn't mean I'll automatically vote Labour - they have to listen to, and address, women's concerns before I'll vote for them again.

@maltravers

I don’t like the tories, but how can I vote Labour when they are so awful about acknowledging the need to balance rights so as to protect women? They don’t even know what a woman is it seems. Yeah right.

This

@PastMyBestBeforeDate

Trouble is that the opposition benches are stuffed full of MPs who, no matter what their party's future stance on TWAW, are on record talking complete nonsense. Every interviewer for the rest of their career can cast doubt on anything they say by bringing this up.

And on the govt benches I give you...

Jacob Rees Mogg
Nadine Dorries
Boris Johnson
Dominic Raab
Liz Truss

...need I go on?

@GrendelsGrandma

I can't understand people who say gender stuff would stop them voting labour. I understand the precise point, but overall a pro-welfare state, pro-workers' rights party will always be better for women.

I think it's all about demographics really, currently the electoral landscape is still dominated by older people's interests. At some time we'll reach a tipping point and parties will have to reform because the old political identities don't hold for younger generations.

Personally I'd like to see a third party, like the Lib Dems but better. With an actual vision for the country. Brexit has made everything so negative and hate-filled.

Have a read of this. Because this is happening now, and the GRA that labour have said they would pass isn’t even in place.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4507790-Hospital-told-police-patient-not-raped-because-attacker-transgender?pg=1

I can’t see it happening at the next election

We need a new leader but I just don’t know who. The party seems stuck in who they really want to represent

The comments Starmer made about gender (sex) recently will come back to haunt him

Why did the Tories vote against the move to make misogyny a hate crime? Are they the party for women ?

Why did the Tories vote against the move to make misogyny a hate crime? Are they the party for women ?

Obviously not. But that doesn't mean Labour are, sadly.

There isn’t a party for women. It’s a question of choosing which one is least worst for everyone. And it’s sure as hell not the Tories.

@SecretSpAD yes they're all awful and you can add Grant Schapps to that list but this is a thread about Labour.

No woman I know will ever vote for Labour again after their dystopian misogyny has been revealed. If they can’t define a woman, they can fuck off. Any woman would have to be nuts to vote for them. Yes you may care hugely about poverty etc, but we didn’t ask Labour to prioritise the erasure of women. Something that will harm the most vulnerable women in society much more than any others.

The most experienced campaigners for women’s rights in the country, from Joan Smith to Julie Bindel couldn’t have been more strongly against misogyny being made a hate crime. They laid out their reasons clearly and brilliantly. Essentially it would completely backfire.

And how can you possibly have a specific hate crime against a group of people you can’t even define?