Will Labour ever get back in?

[Blueblossompinksky]

My understanding is that the labour majority was in part because of the Scottish vote, which seems to have gone to the SNP.

I realise it’s unlikely that the Tories will get back in with such a large majority as 2019 but will there actually be enough seats for Labour to win?

I'm pretty gender critical, but when it comes to looking at the bigger picture Labour are the only hope for working class women and children.

Labour seems to despise working class people, though. Would their policies benefit the working classes more than those of the Tories? In some ways, but it isn't just their stance on women that has alienated the working classes - not even mainly that frankly. Calling them a bunch of racists voting against their own interests did that quite thoroughly. They just don't seem to be able to really wrap their heads around the problems wc people have with globalism, identity politics in general, nor can they seem to get over their own embarrassment over anything that might possibly be construed as patriotic feeling or love of place.

Also - I'd point out that just because a particular idea, like making misogyny a hate crime, sounds pro-woman, doesn't mean it is actually a good policy, even for women. There are many people who have doubts about that particular idea or hate crime legislation in general, and it doesn't mean they don't care about women.

As a mother to a little girl I will not be able to vote for Labour until they are willing to realign their stance on gender politics.

I would fit the category of urban university educated socially liberal people and Labour have lost my vote.

Not until they remember what constitutes a woman.

I think there will be some Labour wins also Lib Dem's as a deliberate attempt to show non acceptance of Tory lies and sleaze. So much stuff that Cons have done they deserve a bloody nose.
Council elections in May might give a foretaste of that.
Also hope SNP lose seats

I hope not!

I've come to the conclusion that they don't want to be in power right now. They would prefer to be able to heckle from the other side but not have to deal with any of the issues that are actually going on at the moment. I mean who would want to deal with brexit, covid, Russia, etc?

This.

It's the only reason I can think of why someone like Keir Starmer would pin his colours to the trans rights mast and make it clear that his party values a tiny minority over 50% of the population.

Even if you do think trans rights are more important than women's rights, it makes zero sense to say so out loud if you want to get elected.

If it isn't a deliberate ploy to keep them comfortably shouting from the opposition benches and embroiled in student level identity politics rather than engaging with real issues then they must be staggeringly inept, which is another good reason not to vote for them.

And I say that as someone who was planning to vote for them.

I don't think the Labour party leadership want to be in government. I am becoming ever more convinced that they are desperately sabotaging themselves in order to lose just enough votes that they won't have a realistic chance of winning. It's like Ireland's deliberately poor Eurovision entries, after a string of wins meant they had to bear the cost and inconvenience of staging the contest repeatedly.

Being a more attractive prospect than Johnson to lead the country should be an open goal, and yet every time, that football is kicked away from the goal.

No, they cater for the extreme left now, most of Mumsnet.

@urbanbuddha

But don't kid yourself that the tories care is all I'm saying. You mean fuck all to them, trust me. They only care about themselves.

I know the Tories don't care. I'd cut off my right hand before I'd vote for them. However it's massively discouraging that Labour - with one or two honourable exceptions - don't give a flying about women's rights. Who will I vote for? I don't know yet but I know for certain that it won't be Labour with its current stance. It's incredibly poor that the line from Labour supporyers seems to be "Boris is an arse so you'll have to vote Labour". Sorry guys, my vote is precious. You'll have to give me something more than that.

Oh honestly I have no idea who to vote for, I am politically homeless. I don't follow any of them particularly. I just don't see how Labour is so bad when tories do the exact same thing. But they are actually worse, they are currently destroying lives and forcing people into poverty.

I won't vote tory or snp. It probably will be a case of flip a coin and go for either labour or lib dem. Although what someone else said is probably true, labour probably don't want to be in charge now as they'll have to fix the fuck ups tories have made. And honestly I'd maybe prefer to see johnson stay until he has a breakdown, he deserves it.

Labour supporter all my life besides one brief foray to Lib Dem in 2010 much to my eternal regret. Corbyn lover. 😂
I'm educated to post-doctorate, urban, socially liberal, and will NEVER vote Tory, but I'm quite honestly stumped on who to vote for next time!
Until there's a credible alternative combining the good bits of non Tory parties (eg good green policies, actual values around the nhs as opposed to lip service) I can't see how any other party is going to get enough votes to get these absolute self serving rats out of govt.
Makes me feel nauseous

@CMZ2018

No, they cater for the extreme left now, most of Mumsnet.

I don’t doubt mumsnet is more left than right but it’s certainly not extreme left

I mean that fairly obvious even if you just take this thread as ‘evidence’

That said I'd vote labour 100x over rather than vote Tory, but I don't for one minute think labour will gain enough of a critical mass.
And I dislike not using my vote tactically...
I imagine there are lots of people in my boat... with no credible alt.
Just hope they don't vote Tory :/

Please, please, please put Yvette Cooper in charge before it's too late.

A calm, intelligent, credible woman versus a serial lying, blundering buffoon in a general election?

Proverb below

Why do people assume it will be Boris Johnson leading them into the next election? The people saying 'But Boris' are not fighting the right battle.

@MangyInseam

their constituency now is a fairly narrow group - urban university educated socially liberal people. The more they narrow their appeal, the worse chance they have, but narrowing seems to be their direction of travel, even now.

100% this, but the narrowing is a consequence of the last three leaders they have chosen:

1. Former backroom policy advisor, PPE at Oxford, son of a left-wing intellectual, grew up in North London.
2. Old-school leftie vegetarian hippy, lived in North London for the last 40+ years, famous for the consistency of his opinions i.e. never changed his mind on anything.
3. High profile lawyer, grew up in Surrey, left wing parents named him after a socialist icon, now lives in North London.

Miliband and Starmer just don't come across as comfortable outside their normal social milieu. Corbyn is a different kind of stereotype - the earnest activist who struggles to connect with normal people.

There will be no change in Labour until they elect a different type of leader. The TWAW debate is symptomatic of that - these people just don't speak our language. Blair had people like Alastair Campbell and John Prescott around him who kept him connected to the ordinary person in the street. In fact, Campbell has written an open letter to Starmer urging him to be less woke.

No woman should vote for Labour.

Don't ignore the election-it wasn't that long ago that women made sacrifices in order that we should get the vote, the power that so many "trans allies" are now willing to give away-so go to the ballot and spoil your paper.

A spoiled paper is a protest and you are still taking part in the election.

Listen to Labour MPs on Woman's Hour, stuttering over how complex it is to define a woman and then withdraw your support for them.

Russell Brand did a great podcast with an American academic about how the left has lost its way, and become totally alien to the erstwhile core voters.

Nah doubt it because they’re knobs.

@PinkFluffyUnicornSlippers

Nah doubt it because they’re knobs.

Such an intelligent response(!) oh dear…

itsnotover

Ive seen many posts about boris being a twat

One assumes you are also having a pop at those people for their ‘intelligent responses’

@PinkFluffyUnicornSlippers 🤣 made me laugh. I agree!

Listen to Labour MPs on Woman's Hour, stuttering over how complex it is to define a woman...

Are they as bad as PM Johnson when asked by GB News @MoonUnderWater?