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Female swimmers beaten by transgender athlete stage podium protest at ‘unfair’ result

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whytcvv · 19/03/2022 05:47

When will the rules change as I completely agree this is unfair and I expect that you will all largely agree with me.

For anyone that doesn't agree, please explain your reasoning to help me better understand.

This reminds me of the weightlifting story from last year.

People that are born female and people who are born male should not be competing in these events together. Our physical bodies are not comparable.

Have as many genders as you can think of, but there are only two possible sexes that you can be born as and that is what eligibility in these competitions should be based on.

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Ratpatootie · 19/03/2022 14:10

Just watch showjumping, Dressage and Eventing. Men and women compete exactly the same in them.

RedPanda901 · 19/03/2022 14:10

@lassupthebrew

This is completely wrong. It is cheating. Lia should hand the medal back accept they got it all wrong and present it to the real winner.

Then recognise biology means that they cannot both transition and compete. You choose one, you lose the other. Simple.

That will sort the truly dysphoric from the ones taking advantage of a creed. Of which there are far too many.

Lia could have put any talent to really positive use by NOT crushing the dreams of young women just because they could - a blatantly male thing to do - and instead coaching them to win versus other women - if they have any real talent that is.

This is what anyone who truly believed they were a woman would surely do, knowing this is fair and helps other women not hurts them.

Lia clearly acted like a man and put personal glory first.

I notice that on social media many transgender people - those with an inner gender identity whatever that is - are silent as they can see defending this is not a good look, But cannot easily lose the mantra as it is a belief system they are trapped within.

If this debacle changes any minds and frees them from this dangerous ideology then it might be one positive those women who should have been 1st,2nd and third can take from the unfairness.

However, many transsexuals are openly condemning this and calling it what it is - cheating. Without hesitation.

I am one.

Transsexuals generally transition young without having to harm the lives of those around them or leave a trail of heartbreak from wives and children. Transsexuals almost always have surgery as we are driven by body dysphoria not some mystery inner identity apparently fixed just by demanding use of a pronoun or the need to eradicate all gatekeeping which is so traumatic (as in a hassle for them to fool the doctors). Transsexuals find it almost impossible to live with this for decades without seeking help,

Yet transsexuals seem almost in unison out there saying the same thing. This is wrong. It should not be allowed. Despite being the ones who will have overwhelmingly made the most physical changes versus those who often have made none because an inner identity is what they have and that needs no change - just affirmation.

That transsexuals would not compete and know why biology matters in sport shatters the suggestion that those with a new found gender identity have any credible argument at all. We accept competitive sport is a price to pay for fixing our lives. It is deeply frustrating to us that most see trans as now a monologue. But our voices are drowned out as we are tiny in number compared to the new tranny army.

It's lovely to hear your perspective!
Helleofabore · 19/03/2022 14:11

Yes Ratpatootie. There is a horse involved.

It is widely acknowledged that in equestrian events there is not male body advantage

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 19/03/2022 14:12

@QuebecBagnet

And according to the other swimmers this person frequently drops their towel in the changing room making it very clear to all that they still have a penis. So now some of the women don’t want to get changed there. Why would this swimmer do that?
Quite ... imagine being the actual female athletes in that changing room. You've lost out to a cheat who then accidentally shows you his dick. For the 5th time.

But hey, it's only women, who gives a shit Confused

Bollocks989 · 19/03/2022 14:13

Yanbu

Why are we standing for it?

Glittertwins · 19/03/2022 14:13

@itsgettingweird : there are definitely rules on swimwear including transparency of the material so I would have thought bare chested poolside would be included?

Strawberry33 · 19/03/2022 14:13

Yes 🙌 every word of this!!

Lunificent · 19/03/2022 14:14

I don’t identify with the strong feeling on either side of this argument.My thoughts are that it is perfectly fine for someone who was born a man to identify as a woman. It must be horrendous to be born in the wrong body and I support their assertion that they are female.
But, I think this person would have to accept some compromise, in their lives, however unfortunate that may be for them. I don’t think it’s fair that someone with male strength should compete as a woman even if they ide tidy as a woman.. I know there is a continuum of physical strength but the difference between men and women in this regard is so significant that it has to be taken account of.

DuckyNoMates · 19/03/2022 14:14

@Ratpatootie

Just watch showjumping, Dressage and Eventing. Men and women compete exactly the same in them.
What sex is the horse?
Glittertwins · 19/03/2022 14:16

@Helleofabore

Yes Ratpatootie. There is a horse involved.

It is widely acknowledged that in equestrian events there is not male body advantage

Quite. There is no advantage here.
Toadsinholes · 19/03/2022 14:18

My dd swims competitively at a high level. I’d be bloody raging if in a few years time all her hard work is taken away from her when she’s (hopefully) at the Olympics/worlds/commonwealths by being beaten by a MAN who is 6’4 and the size of a tank pretending he’s a woman. It’s 100% unfair. It’s also not remotely transphobic to say so - i couldn’t give a shit if he wants to present as a woman, but if that’s the case, he has to quit competitive sport.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 19/03/2022 14:18

Do you know what - if choosing the side of the female athletes here and being fucking furious they are being cheated out of opportunities and being subject to the perverted locker room actions of this individual mean I'm transphobic then so be it. I'm at the point now where I really couldn't give a fuck, so yeah - I'm transphobic.

Any crafty souls reading fancy making me a badge?

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 19/03/2022 14:20

@DrivingHomeChristmas

Are there any stats on how many times Transpeople don’t win at races? Maybe she was the best because she was so motivated and worked hard? It must take a lot of determination to be a trans athlete and maybe that determination is in her sport preparation too.
If a competitor in the Tour De France used an electric bike but lost does that mean he or she isn't a cheat?

Women .... just try harder. FFS Angry

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 19/03/2022 14:21

@Ratpatootie

Just watch showjumping, Dressage and Eventing. Men and women compete exactly the same in them.
Dying laughing at this - the HORSE is the main "athlete" in these events, the riders guide them around. Male or female, there is no physiological advantage to the rider.

There are other sports in which men and women compete together too, because male physical advantages aren't relevant. Darts, for example. Some forms of shooting, another one. Snooker too.

Mumofboys109 · 19/03/2022 14:22

@QuebecBagnet

Haven’t the professional USA swim body moved to saying testosterone needs to be under a certain level for three years before being allowed to compete? The college swim body needs to move to this. This swimmer wouldn’t have been allowed to compete under these rules. Because it’s unfair!
@QuebecBagnet

The testosterone levels being low still doesn’t actually fix the advantage that occurred during puberty- it doesn’t shrink lung capacity, muscles or growth. It’s bizarre that they make out this evens the playing field because
It doesnt. The physical advantage during puberty is pretty much irreversible.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 19/03/2022 14:23

And I think there was significant coverage and analysis at his last race to show that actually he was significantly holding back, something in the range of movement in kicks to show that in fact, he wasn't even going at full throttle.

Men in sport, are you a bit crap? Then identify as a woman and go on to thrash them Confused

GriddleScone · 19/03/2022 14:23

@Boredoutmymind

your wrong saying only 2 sexes can be born. do some research .

some women are stronger, taller than some men and other women. should these women not be allowed to compete?
transmen can compete with cis men in sports.
so transwomen can compete with cis women in sports.
should we have weight and height classes in all sports?
Where does it end?

too much transphobia on here.

Indeed where does this end? Perhaps we should all compete in one big happy event. No sex categories, no equipment regulations, no age categories and no allowance for disability. I bet I could trounce my toddler in the swimming pool, even though he is tall for his age.
Glittertwins · 19/03/2022 14:25

The permitted testosterone level is still a heck of a lot higher than any natal female's and that female would be considered as doping to achieve it.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 19/03/2022 14:26

@DrivingHomeChristmas

My daughter has learning disabilities. It has taken years of work and fighting the system for her to be able to acccess a level 3 course at college. She has to have a TA and various other support. She has come top in every exam in her year. Not because of the concessions she has but because she has worked so hard after fighting to be on the course. It’s not just about physique and biology- sportspeople will tell you it’s psychology far more than training.
Your daughter sounds pretty awesome, you must be incredibly proud of her!

It's naive however to claim biology doesn't significantly affect sporting advantage.

LaingsAcidTab · 19/03/2022 14:27

@Boredoutmymind

your wrong saying only 2 sexes can be born. do some research .

some women are stronger, taller than some men and other women. should these women not be allowed to compete?
transmen can compete with cis men in sports.
so transwomen can compete with cis women in sports.
should we have weight and height classes in all sports?
Where does it end?

too much transphobia on here.

Look up projection, then do what you suggest and do some research about male bodies that have gone through puberty and irreversible muscle and bone development.

Pfft.

berlinbabylon · 19/03/2022 14:27

@Ratpatootie

Just watch showjumping, Dressage and Eventing. Men and women compete exactly the same in them.
Yes - in some sports it is fine. But it's a minority.
HomeHomeInTheRange · 19/03/2022 14:29

@WeCouldBeSpearows

AND the researcher themselves later clarified that the material was about disorder and not relevant to her human trans debate

I only posted in relation to the multiple 'there are only two sexes' comments. I've said nothing about transgender, and I wasn't posting the article in relation to that discussion.

OK; the researcher has clarified that the report is about disorder and dies not challenge the fact that human sex is binary, I.e male and female.
Clarabe1 · 19/03/2022 14:31

The only way women can stop this is by refusing to compete against transgender athletes and staging walk outs. It’s not being transphobic is been real- a biological female cannot compete against a biological male.It’s just fact.

Helleofabore · 19/03/2022 14:34

Are there any stats on how many times Transpeople don’t win at races? Maybe she was the best because she was so motivated and worked hard? It must take a lot of determination to be a trans athlete and maybe that determination is in her sport preparation too.

I forgot this little gem. It is indeed the 'women you need to try harder' argument.

I mean really, @DrivingHomeChristmas, why on earth would any person ignore the science to come out with this.

So a male is in the 400s ranking for their sport as a male, and then miraculously becomes no. 1 after transition? And you propose it is to do with 'determination', 'motivation', and 'working hard'? Do you even read what you have written?

So, a male's determination to be a trans athlete trumps a female's determination and training to be a female athlete because???? They are just more determined?

Or it could be because of a virilised puberty. ....

As tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz puts it nicely.

If a competitor in the Tour De France used an electric bike but lost does that mean he or she isn't a cheat?

Or in DrivingHome's case, they are just 'more determined' and found an 'innovative' way to win. It is about as logical.

berlinbabylon · 19/03/2022 14:40

@Clarabe1

The only way women can stop this is by refusing to compete against transgender athletes and staging walk outs. It’s not being transphobic is been real- a biological female cannot compete against a biological male.It’s just fact.
Yes. People say they can't, but various sports said they wouldn't compete against the Russians and they were excluded from those events.

So it can and should work. The other women should simply agree not to compete. They all have to do it though - not just some.

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