Female swimmers beaten by transgender athlete stage podium protest at ‘unfair’ result

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When will the rules change as I completely agree this is unfair and I expect that you will all largely agree with me.

For anyone that doesn't agree, please explain your reasoning to help me better understand.

This reminds me of the weightlifting story from last year.

People that are born female and people who are born male should not be competing in these events together. Our physical bodies are not comparable.

Have as many genders as you can think of, but there are only two possible sexes that you can be born as and that is what eligibility in these competitions should be based on.

AIBU

Don't know how to add poll.

It just confirms the view that women are seen as solely support humans. This is a men's issue! Men need to sort their shit out so that GNC males do not feel unsafe in male spaces. Why is it up to women to budge up and sort out? We're fucking busy. This should never have been our problem.

@Boredoutmymind

your wrong saying only 2 sexes can be born. do some research .

some women are stronger, taller than some men and other women. should these women not be allowed to compete?
transmen can compete with cis men in sports.
so transwomen can compete with cis women in sports.
should we have weight and height classes in all sports?
Where does it end?

too much transphobia on here.

Even my DS at 17 could grasp why this is utter bollocks. His school's female rugby team wasn't doing well. To illustrate the point I suggested the male 1st XI identified as female and competed instead. He laughed and said that would be stupid.

I have absolutely no issue with trans people but competitive sport has to be based on biological sex.

Drop the "cis" nonsense. It's just men and women.

I think that makes you a Cis woman...maybe my definition was clumsy, it's not my field of expertise!! Cis means you don't identify as something other than the gender assigned biologically to you, I guess

No, under this reasoning you'd be non-binary - cis means you positively do identify your gender identity as matching the sex you were born.

Of course it's all bunkem - gender is forced on you by society, and sure perhaps you go along with some of it and perhaps you don't, perhaps you enjoy bits of it because they match your personality - but that's all, it doesn't mean any more than that. Whereas sex is verifiable and real.

Confusing sex and gender out of some squeamishness to say the word is what let them get us where we are. Along with accepting arse about tit logic 'to be kind' where these days, it's not only "like 'girlie' things -> you're a girl" but then the next ridiculous step "since I'm a girl, therefore I'm female"

The pp who said that maybe LT's psychology has made them a winner is actually quite correct. It's a psychology that thinks that their needs matter more than any other person. (Indeed their needs matter than all the other persons). A psychology that literally (if the erect penis in the changing room is anything to go by) gets off out of gaslighting others and controlling the narrative. A psychology that is so fundamentally unempathetic and selfish that actually it surely must veer into psychological disorder.

Totally unfair. There are two sexes - men and women, and nothing in between. No research needed.

I agree op. We have the paralympics because it would give able bodied people and unfair advantage. The difference here is that those born as men will have the advantage. So of course they won't want a separate category. Men always want the advantage.

Cis is the term made up to force team women in with men.

Women is the term needed for women.

Men is the term needed for men.

Using cis makes it look like trans and cis are parts of the same woman circle. They are not.

It is all subterfuge. Woman is enough.

Th swimmer, who is a man, beat women in a sport where he is genetically at an advantage. He deliberately did this as he couldnt win against men. Typical, women are being pushed back again and again and we siply cannot win.

Of course YANBU.
The whole thing is preposterous.
Did you read about the debate in the House of Lords about single-sex wards, in which it emerged that a hospital denied to the police that one of their female patients had been raped, as the rapist (who was caught on camera) was "not male". There is a thread about this on here, which is however confined to the Feminism Board (probably because mumsnetters who are reading the feminist threads can't possibly be interested in such matters.

That should of course have said
"mumsnetters who are NOT reading the feminist threads"

If there’s no problem and women could just try harder why was Thomas 450th in the males league and 1st in the women’s without apparently trying too hard?

Before separate sex categories women’s competitive sports was largely non-existent

@ChocolateIsAlwaysTheAnswer

I cannot believe the other swimmers have not boycotted the whole event. It is an absolute disgrace that this has been allowed.

Because you get called transphobic for questioning it and the vitriol poured on you is huge. I know a woman directly impacted by this, her funding is based on her placements. If she doesn’t win, she doesn’t get funding. She has to quit, as ultimately she’s got bills to pay and being an Olympian doesn’t pay the bills if your not finishing in the top.

She can’t call it out, you can’t protest it. She risks being cancelled, no sponsors and again. No funding.

Exactly.

But it seems, what’s the point! As either way there’s no competition…: except for the egotistical man/trans woman will get a trophy (which should say biggest Dick on the back… or only one with a Dick)

ha ha I had to read that twice @Palladin

Mumsnet likes to hide threads like these...I guess it's not good for sponsorship.

DockOTheBay

MsWalterMitty
I agree op.

I wonder how many trans men are competing in men’s sporting competitions?

It all feels very egotistical, which is ironically mainly a male trait.
I was wondering the same. I would guess none as they know they would be at a disadvantage

For above post

Stop using their words.

Seriously, stop trying to understand and do all the pretzel logic to make it work (it doesn’t).

Woman is the name for an adult human female. No prefix needed, no matter how much some men might want it.

@MingeofDeath

I can't wait to see Antonia Joshua fight in a boxing match...

Ursula Bolt could have a second sprinting career too.

This

Photo didn’t add it seems, it was this:

YANBU
Lia Thomas is a cheat, pure and simple.

Also we’re not cis women we are women! You wouldn’t zebra paint stripes on a horse and then call a zebra a cis zebra!

@Boredoutmymind

your wrong saying only 2 sexes can be born. do some research .

some women are stronger, taller than some men and other women. should these women not be allowed to compete?
transmen can compete with cis men in sports.
so transwomen can compete with cis women in sports.
should we have weight and height classes in all sports?
Where does it end?

too much transphobia on here.

April 1st is that way ———————>

(Though you are of course technically right, women and men can compete in the same sports, of course we will have to be brave and smiley because we will never win as I said to Usain as we shared adjacent starting blocks the other day)

Why the actual fucking fuck is this allowed - if sports is so woke, the need to create new categories for trans men and women. This has made me so sad and angry. Bloody ridiculous!

I firmly believe transgender people should be treated with respect but male bodied people competing in women’s sport is just nonsensical and unfair.

Dd was a swimmer to national level as a teenager. Breaststroke was her best stroke.

She trained 7 times a week with the best swimmers in the area of around the same age groups. Until around age 13 she was the fastest breaststroker in her training sessions, then the slightly older boys could beat her. By 14/15 most of the same age boys were faster than her.

Yet she held all the girls records for that club and was qualifying for nationals, and most of those boys were not swimming the times required for boys to enter county level competition in breaststroke. If one of those boys had decided to say they were a girl they would have beaten her, the best in her area, by being a reasonably good breaststroker boy. The boys who were breaststrokers were massively faster than her.

They all had the same training, they all had the same psychological training. Yes some try harder than others, but to give up as much time and effort to training you’re not looking at people who don’t try.