Female swimmers beaten by transgender athlete stage podium protest at ‘unfair’ result

[whytcvv]

When will the rules change as I completely agree this is unfair and I expect that you will all largely agree with me.

For anyone that doesn't agree, please explain your reasoning to help me better understand.

This reminds me of the weightlifting story from last year.

People that are born female and people who are born male should not be competing in these events together. Our physical bodies are not comparable.

Have as many genders as you can think of, but there are only two possible sexes that you can be born as and that is what eligibility in these competitions should be based on.

AIBU

Don't know how to add poll.

You can have as many genders as you like. Fill your boots.
But there are only two sexes. Two.

I'm not a vet, but I know what a dog is.

Repeat Repeat and Repeat until the world wakes up to this lunacy hopefully before the complete eradication of women’s sport.

They are male and cheats!

I expect some time in the future that there will be a big reveal. The whole world has been scammed in some elaborate hoax. The hoax is to cancel woman. The biggest scam ever pulled off.

Men competing against women its hilarious and yet it has been pulled off.

your wrong saying only 2 sexes can be born. do some research

You're actually being serious?

@OutsideVoice

There is (or was) a trans man swimmer with (iirc) Harvard swimming team. This person was wholeheartedly accepted and was held up as some sort of woke mascot. I mean, of course she was accepted, she was never any threat to the male competitors.

In theory a female on hormone medication will gain compeditive advantage. Being able to openly medicate and gain advantage has not been seen in sport yet.

But its an advantage only one sex will have.

That female can not medicate as the male swimmer can and is currently doing.

In order to swim in the womens races that female is and must self exclud from the "preferred" US healthcare option open to transgender persons.

Equality of the sexes!!

I am a very big woman - well well above average male height. I am a big man in size terms.

I had a distinct advantage in womens basketball which we played in my home country but when it came to running, dance, ballet - I was at a distinct disadvantage!

I still do not compete in anyway with the average 6ft 2 male on strength. I am strong but not when compared to a man who has laid down muscle mass, bone development etc as a male with all the advantages that testosterone has. Reducing your testosterone levels may make you less aggressive but it does not reverse the years of testosterone advantage.

Keir Starmer said he recognised the right of trans women to be women but also recognised the rights of women to have safe places - you total waste of space Keir. So you do not respect genetically born women - we have no safe place.

I do not see the debate raging on what is a man.

The majority of women support anyone living as their true selves.

However, they do not support the woke clap trap which seeks to marginalise the genetically female population. If this was true where is the trans men are men brigade shouting out

Hope you don’t mind OP.

Anyone wanting to see previous discussion on this, here is the thread. I have been updating it with the results as they come in. But lots of discussion on it too.

I will update it with Thomas’ latest times later today after they swim.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4414643-Penn-s-Lia-Thomas-breaks-200-500-Free-records-in-meet-with-Princeton-Cornell

I cannot believe the other swimmers have not boycotted the whole event.
It is an absolute disgrace that this has been allowed.

@Boredoutmymind

your wrong saying only 2 sexes can be born. do some research .

some women are stronger, taller than some men and other women. should these women not be allowed to compete?
transmen can compete with cis men in sports.
so transwomen can compete with cis women in sports.
should we have weight and height classes in all sports?
Where does it end?

too much transphobia on here.

This is a view, not transphobia. Education is the answer.

I don't think there should be a separate category for trans women. Where would that end? They can compete in the mens/open.

Why not just have men and women compete against each other in all sport?

You won't get an answer to that as facts ad sense don't matter. Serving men is all that matters.

I think that makes you a Cis woman...maybe my definition was clumsy, it's not my field of expertise!! Cis means you don't identify as something other than the gender assigned biologically to you, I guess

That would just mean 'not trans' though and the GI lobby really have to try and force our identities into a structure they need to support those. So no, cis is not just 'not trans because I know I'm a woman', it's something to do with identity - it's a changed definition of woman from just a biological fact.

In the old world of logic, I am a woman.
If we accept GI, I am suddenly trans as I absolutely do not identify as a woman. It's not that I mind being trans tbh in the broader sense but clearly there is no good outcome from labelling me as such as I don't identify as trans either.

Cis is an insult and misgendering and no reasonable person will call people that. It's something for you to call yourself if you feel that narrow box fits. It's not an identity to force on others.

Absolutely crazy. I am always astounded at how normally rational people get sucked into believing this twaddle.

@TigerMTV

It’s cheating. There should be a separate comp for trans women to be able to compete.

Why?

Should there be a separate category for Christians? For Flat-Earthers? For tatooed people? For cos-players?

What is the justification or need for sports to be categorised by belief?

@Boredoutmymind

your wrong saying only 2 sexes can be born. do some research .

some women are stronger, taller than some men and other women. should these women not be allowed to compete?
transmen can compete with cis men in sports.
so transwomen can compete with cis women in sports.
should we have weight and height classes in all sports?
Where does it end?

too much transphobia on here.

So you must not believe in the Paralympics then? After all bodies are all different anyway?

@Gowithme

The male category in sports should be changed to open so that any gender can compete in it and the female category should be women who were born female only (including IMO the likes of Castor Semenya who is XY but naturally higher testosterone due to internal testes (DSD)).

I have an element of sympathy for Caster but actually it was established when she was 19 or something she had internal testes I don't think she should have been allowed to continue.

It's blurring the boundaries, especially when you consider before the XY blood tests doctor physically examined female athletes, how intrusive and she should not be allowed to break records those women held.

@DoobryWhatsit

I find this all particularly mind boggling considering that a few years ago the IOC banned a specific swimsuit because it was deemed to be too bouyant, and to be giving athletes an unfair advantage!

They still ban swim caps designed to fit over voluminous Afro textured hair as they don't 'fit the natural form of the head'.

This is a totally outrageous situation and the only good that can possibly come from it is by raising awareness in the wider community

Every time I hear a debate on this subject always think the tale of the Emperor’s New Clothes

It is a truth universally acknowledged that it is only those who are trying to convince us that women can have penises that find sex so very confusing. Everyone else, including my 4 year old know exactly who is a man and who is a woman.

Surely this must be an experiment to show how ludicrous the current rules are and to sacrifice one cohort of female athletes to make it fairer for all future female athletes.

Everyone can see how blatantly ridiculous and unfair it is to let Lia compete. They're just seeing how far they can push it before the world says, enough of this nonsense.

Trans people should have their own competition.

This is not transphobia.

Even if there were more than 2 sexes, which there aren't - that is not an argument for a male who swam in male swimming to say words and then get to switch to compete against women.

If we ditched the two sex categories, then men would just win everything. The reason for two sex categories of sport is to give women and girls a chance to compete against each other. Not to compete against males.

Just to put it into context as there are rarely photos showing the differences, can those that think this is not an issue identify which of these young women was a middle aged male until he decided he wasn't?

@Boredoutmymind

your wrong saying only 2 sexes can be born. do some research .

I took your advice to OP and I did some research. I haven't come across anything that mentions more then 2 sexes. I wonder if you could point me in the right direction?

Its a shame that its not been recognised that for a woman to beat a man at sport she would have to be athletically exceptional.
and that for a men to beat a woman at sport he just has to be mediocre.

I mean look at the wake produced by the women in the videos, its evidence that they are trying hard. Look at LT no wake because of reduced effort and no mistakes because there is no stress in competing.

It's all bollocks (pardon the pun), and absolutely disgusting that the bodies that oversee this crap are making it happen. They must really despise women.