To wonder what the fuck they are teaching my child?

[lunar1]

They are covering sexuality which I thought was fine. Except they have just been taught about being sexually attracted to inanimate objects, example given was a chair, or identifying as an inanimate object.

Someone asked for an example which lead to the entire rest of the lesson being about identifying as a wardrobe. And how it's valid and must be accepted.

I can't decide if he's winding me up or not, for fucks sake.

Have his teachers been watching too much TLC ?

Your best asking his teacher

@theworldhas

Of course the artist can be paid for something they are skilled at.

Take a minority oppressed language for example Welsh
Welsh people were punished for using their language for far too long. children forced to wear wooden signs around their neck if caught speaking welsh and canned etc. Welsh users ridiculed as less intelligent than English Language users.
Now English people learning Welsh is not appropriation, appropriation is when non welsh language user setting up a Welsh language course or posting welsh teaching videos to 'Help them poor Welsh people' without the skills to do so. They teach incorrect grammar and pronounce the words incorrectly. Make out it is better this way as easier to learn. get loads of praise for being so inclusive to them Welsh folk but actually the videos are not understandable as are wrong.
Posting a video as a learner where it is clear you are still learning and with a link to where others can learn is not appropriation. Pretending you are an expert when you are not is

In fifty years this thread will be used as evidence of the backward thinking of people in 2022. People mocking the very idea that there are dozens of genders or that a person can identify as a piece of furniture (or vice-versa). In years to come people will be shocked that we were so intolerant, in the same way people today get appalled by the sexism and racism in 1970s sitcoms or 19th century discourses on why white people and black people are different species.

Instead of labelling every new little thing why not just be individual people who like different things?

Mind boggles sometimes.

@lunar1

It's an independent school in England if that makes a difference, though they do follow the national curriculum.

Independent school? I’d make a fuss. A BIG fuss. And I’d try to enrol other parents to complain too.

@Nicholethejewellery

In fifty years this thread will be used as evidence of the backward thinking of people in 2022. People mocking the very idea that there are dozens of genders or that a person can identify as a piece of furniture (or vice-versa). In years to come people will be shocked that we were so intolerant, in the same way people today get appalled by the sexism and racism in 1970s sitcoms or 19th century discourses on why white people and black people are different species.

Some intolerance is necessary though. Are there any behaviours that are taboo in your utopia or does anything go?

One of the chief issues with gender ideology is that it allows, facilitates and encourages adult decisions by minors. Being gay, straight or lesbian requires no actual long-term commitment. A teen could identify as straight early on and marry a man later. No lasting repercussions.

Identifying as another gender encourages a teen to consider long term decisions like changing your body, using hormones which effect future ability to have children. This is not something that should be taken lightly or considered early. It has far reaching consequences.

And allowing children the autonomy over irreversible changes (or blockers which there have been no long term studies on) raises other questions. If children are given that level of control over an adult decision why are they limited to that decision. Smoking, drugs, sex with adults, these are not things we want to leave up to children as children can be peer pressure victims and coerced.

And of course, having sex with wardrobes, even something as seemingly silly as that could result in real world consequences like indecent exposure charges for those that partake in public.

Furthermore, when boys are genuinely leaving school thinking women can hold periods in, we don't have time for all this navel gazing when the basics are not known.

@Nicholethejewellery, can I ask you?

How do you live you life as living being identifying as a wardrobe? An in an inanimate ate object that doesn’t move or eat?
Do you stay in one place not moving all day long? What do you actually DO?

I know some people who self incentive as a child (like this middle age man who identifies as a little girl). Apart from dressing like a cute little girl, they seem to spend quite a bit of time playing with dolls with other little girls.
But what would a wardrobe do?

@SartresSoul

There are people who are attracted to inanimate objects but I can’t really see much reason to reach 12-13 year old’s this at school! I watched a documentary about people in love with their cars or even the Eiffel Tower once so it is a legitimate thing. I know Tracy Emin isn’t in love with the rock but she is married to one . I told my 12 yo DS about it because I think she’s very cool and he just rolled his eyes.

So if they feel like that then they wouldn't feel as if they're odd? (Speaking as someone who is asexual, didn't know it was a "thing" until my early 20s and developed severe depression and self image issues as a result.)

I'm out of teaching in schools now. But as an ex-science teacher, I can totally imagine that if I was made to teach PHSE (or whatever it identifies as this year) to a year eight tutor group certain topics would be not taught to the best of my ability every single lesson, let's say.

The whole point of a tutor group is that you're meant to build a relationship with the kids, and PSHE (when I had to teach it a few years ago anyway) was all about the discussion and allowing expressed opinions while gently guiding the discussion.

So yeah, if I had a year eight group in a silly mood and it devolved into a discussion about identifying as a wardrobe I might decide that no more productive work was getting done that day, chalk it off and try again next session, spend the rest of the time talking to individuals or groups within the class I felt needed more of my time.

I'm GC myself, so identifying as a wardrobe is only as ridiculous as identifying as anything else to me, probably not an opinion allowed to be expressed in a PHSE lesson by a teacher anyway.

As I say, I don't teach in school anymore, probably a good thing.

I know some people who self incentive as a child (like this middle age man who identifies as a little girl). Apart from dressing like a cute little girl, they seem to spend quite a bit of time playing with dolls with other little girls

Please tell me that parents don't let this man and his sexual fetish around their daughters?

@LadyBadenPowellsHat

'Asexual' isn't a new term, it's been around for many donkeys years. Asexual people don't generally want or have sexual relations with anyone.

They are what the A stands for in LGBTQIA+

Well you would think so, wouldn't you? However there was a very confusing thread on here a while ago where it became clear that "asexual" doesn't mean "without a sexuality" or "not interested in sex" at all.

Apparently it now means not being constantly horny, or being very picky about who you have sex with. Asexuals can have sex, want sex, and enjoy sex.

Kind of like me saying I'm a vegetarian to avoid the risk of being faced with rare steak or crackling, and then picking up a KFC on the way home.

Well you would think so, wouldn't you? However there was a very confusing thread on here a while ago where it became clear that "asexual" doesn't mean "without a sexuality" or "not interested in sex" at all.

Apparently it now means not being constantly horny, or being very picky about who you have sex with. Asexuals can have sex, want sex, and enjoy sex.

Kind of like me saying I'm a vegetarian to avoid the risk of being faced with rare steak or crackling, and then picking up a KFC on the way home.

Asexuality never meant "not interested in sex", it means not sexually attracted to people.

That was where people called me a safeguarding risk because I said that asexual people were not sexually attracted to others but could still fall in love/enjoy the act of sex.

Glad it was pointed out to you that telling children it's normal to have sex when you don't want to or desire it is not ok.

Disappointed that you still value your identity over safeguarding.

@Nicholethejewellery

In fifty years this thread will be used as evidence of the backward thinking of people in 2022. People mocking the very idea that there are dozens of genders or that a person can identify as a piece of furniture (or vice-versa). In years to come people will be shocked that we were so intolerant, in the same way people today get appalled by the sexism and racism in 1970s sitcoms or 19th century discourses on why white people and black people are different species.

Or maybe people will look back and say "why the heck did we propogate such a load of nonsense?" Just because identifying as a Wardrobe is currently labelled as progressive doesn't mean it's inevitably the future. 30 years ago we didn't take child abuse very seriously and some "progressives" felt abuse of kids was part of their right to free expression and how to live their lives - we have largely revised that view now.

@Nicholethejewellery

In fifty years this thread will be used as evidence of the backward thinking of people in 2022. People mocking the very idea that there are dozens of genders or that a person can identify as a piece of furniture (or vice-versa). In years to come people will be shocked that we were so intolerant, in the same way people today get appalled by the sexism and racism in 1970s sitcoms or 19th century discourses on why white people and black people are different species.

"Or vice versa" (a wardrobe identifying as a person ). Very funny.

In 50 years, people will look back at that sort of nonsense the same way we do the beliefs of those who burned witches at the stake or believed the earth was flat.

@MyLittlePhonyPony

Glad it was pointed out to you that telling children it's normal to have sex when you don't want to or desire it is not ok.

Disappointed that you still value your identity over safeguarding.

Again, I never said that.

Asexual people can want to have sex, asexual people can enjoy sex, asexual people are just not sexually attracted to people.

If a woman said she wasn't sexually attracted to her husband but still loved him and enjoyed sex then would you think that was wrong?

Asexual people can want to have sex, asexual people can enjoy sex, asexual people are just not sexually attracted to people.

I'm not getting into this wordsalad fuckwittery again with you.

However, as you've redefined what asexual means, can you tell us the the word we're allowed to use for someone who does not want sex, does not enjoy sex, and does not have sex?

However, as you've redefined what asexual means, can you tell us the the word we're allowed to use for someone who does not want sex, does not enjoy sex, and does not have sex?

Sex averse? A person?

I haven't redefined anything.

@CatSpeakForDummies

I'd actually prefer my child being taught that you can identify as anything at all, rather than some pretending is sacred (identifying as a sex you are not) and some is offensive (race). That's a lot more confusing.

I'm assuming the teacher wouldn't have said that everyone else had to pretend you were a wardrobe or sit on you if you think you're a chair?

If anything, it's a more honest take on how stupid identifying is.

You don't "identify" as a sex, you have a sex. It's what you are and is immutable.

@UsernameInTheTown

At least a wardrobe has always got wood.

I am reminded of the remark made once that having sex with Nicholas Soames was like being pinned under a large wardrobe with a very small key in the lock.

Again, you are putting adult concepts onto children. No that is not covered in basic sex education. Neither should BDSM, foot fetish or any other adult sexual choices.

Sex education is primarily about safeguarding, safety and family planning.

I'm not wasting my time explaining why safeguarding children means not exposing them to adult content.

Children are not validation tools. They're not to be recruited. They're children.

@Doratheexploret

I’ve no idea what they are teaching our kids. My daughter is year 11. Today they were having a talk about feminism, great I thought. My daughter said it was interesting to start with, then got weird. The woman was getting mad about stuff and even shouted that even resuscitation dummies were male 🙄. Apart from that being a ridiculous statement, every resuscitation dummy I’ve ever used was “Annie” presumably a female.

Yes, Resusci Annes are based on the death mask of an unidentified woman who drowned in the Seine. Pretty sure that most of the torsos I've practiced on have had breasts - not large ones, but bigger than a man would have. Not one of them had a penis.

Though I remember the Top Gear episode where they built ambulances. The dummy used there had both breasts and a penis (one of the tasks was to fit a catheter)

@HomeEdMom

I read this sort of shit and am so happy to be home educating my DC.

Don't put up with it OP. Especially if it's an independent school. You're the boss, no?

Indeed!!. I'm glad I home ed too.

@MyLittlePhonyPony

Again, you are putting adult concepts onto children. No that is not covered in basic sex education. Neither should BDSM, foot fetish or any other adult sexual choices.

Sex education is primarily about safeguarding, safety and family planning.

I'm not wasting my time explaining why safeguarding children means not exposing them to adult content.

Children are not validation tools. They're not to be recruited. They're children.

All I ever said was that when children got sex-ed that they were taught that

Some people are attracted to their own sex and that's fine.
Some people are attracted to the other sex and that's fine.
Some people are attracted to both sexes and that's fine.
Some people are attracted to neither sex and that's fine.

I NEVER advocated for teaching about anything other than that.

Anyway, I'm bowing out of this now.