Aibu to wonder if Botox and fillers now normal?

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I’ve so so many friends that have these now and really do feel I’m the odd one out
Friends all between 30-45 and look amazing! I’ve got to admit I’m very tempted but a bit nervous and also Ttc one last time, so unsure if it’s safe to do if Ttc???
and should I wait! I’m 40 early next year so was thinking about maybe then!
So how many have tried /or already do it? What’s your thoughts? Good?

The hand-wringing about getting Botox in 20s and 30s is quite annoying. Nobody is guaranteed to reach their 50s so if they don't do it now they may never get the chance

I think all those nasty injected toxins have travelled up through your bloodstream and entered your brain. Call 999!

I agree when things start to not match up (jowls plus smooth forehead). It’s time for a new plan!

The question is though, what plan at that point? Do you just stop doing it and hope for the best or go full facelift. I think a lot of the ones who are held out as it doesn't look so good like Madonna have just been doing it longer and that over a longer period of time it's maybe not a great plan. I don't know though, I suppose time will tell and we'll know more about all this in say 10-20 years or something.

Agree with @SilkenBunny that celebs who are clever are having a wee nip and tuck, with the aim of looking less old rather than young.

I must admit Jane Fonda looks great with all the work she has had done. But Lily Tomlin also looks great in a different way.

To the pp who says any woman of a certain

We've lost you there Janis

Aaargh. Sorry! Posting from my phone.

I meant to say to the poster who said women of a certain age without 11s have most certainly had Botox, the above is my 50 yr old forehead without Botox.

It’s a lot more commonplace in average women nowadays, for sure. It used to just be the domain of models, tv bids, actors & celebs but it’s definitely filtered down into the normos in the last decade or so. I’m over 40, have never had injectables or been tempted to. I do use topical prescription tretinoin though, so I’m not totally without vanity .

My hair's terrible because I have just come in from the rain.

@JanisMoplin, you’ve chopped out the bit where your 11’s would be. Though, yes your forehead looks smooth there.

@SilkenBunny

I think the irony with botox and fillers is that they look OK on the young, but less OK on the old. Young people can get away with having egg smooth foreheads, duck lips and cheek enhancing fillers far more than an older woman, whose frozen brows will look strange in contrast to the rest of an ageing face, whose cheeks start to look like oddly-stuffed pillows and whose over filled duck lips just look plain weird on any woman over 35.

I’ve been observing certain celebs and the ones who look as if they’re ageing gracefully are probably actually ageing cleverly, by steering clear of the obviously filled, botoxed look (they’re probably having it but VERY subtly, eg they’re going for the look of a lightly lined, slightly less plumped 35 year old rather than that of a shiny 20 year old). They’re also focusing on having amazing skin, hair and teeth, plus probably throwing in a chin tuck and a little light face lift. They then allow a few wrinkles to show, and don’t go for anymore than a very light touch of filler in their lips or possibly cheeks.

Your second paragraph is spot on. This is exactly how to do it for a natural look as you get older. Especially true is the holistic approach you mention. For the whole thing to work you need to look after the rest of yourself too, as a rejuvenated face is very incongruous on an older looking body, or where hair and teeth are looking past their best.

Oh well you will have to take my word for it! Because I cba.

I may consider Botox in a few years but not fillers. I don’t like the homogenous look they seem to give everyone, plus I’m worried about the MRI evidence of filler material just migrating and hanging around rather than being broken down and reabsorbed by the body.

Definitely not normal where I live.

I may consider Botox in a few years but not fillers. I don’t like the homogenous look they seem to give everyone, plus I’m worried about the MRI evidence of filler material just migrating and hanging around rather than being broken down and reabsorbed by the body.

Botox has been shown to make its way into the central nervous system.

I meant Sarah Jessica Parker hasn’t had Botox or fillers. And you can see that by that photo.
No idea about chin work!

I think the plan has to change as you get older to focus on the sagging. If you want to (you can always just age). So in 40s radio frequency/micro needling/micro current may be enough to stop jowling (and helps with skin condition). Plus a sprinkle of Botox. But not freezing the face and cleverly leaving some lines (especially around the eyes).

Once those procedures don’t work. A lower face lift and maybe start to lay off the Botox!

I think you get to an age where Botox and fillers don’t cut it anymore. I also worry about filler migration. I have to say tear trough fillers are amazing if you have hollow eyes though. Fillers around the rest of the face you have to be very careful. They add volume but don’t address skin laxity. The problem is filling a sagging face won’t look good. You need to lift and tighten the skin. And then it gets £££

@JanisMoplin

Oh well you will have to take my word for it! Because I cba.

You have fewer forehead wrinkles on that pic than I do on my natural 40 something forehead.

Some of it is just down to genetics and lifestyle. I’ve never smoked, I drink alcohol moderately, I don’t eat processed sugar or drink fizzy drinks, I use facial SPF50 in spring/summer, I exercise moderately but I do spend quite a lot of time outdoors in all weathers, drink coffee and take prescription medication that dehydrates me. It’s a bit of a crapshoot!

My Mum who is 70 has hardly any lines on her forehead. She does elsewhere and has sagging but my 45 year old forehead is worse than hers. Some people are just very frowny. For now I’ll soften that occasionally with a bit of Botox but I’m aware long term it won’t look good.

It's increasingly common.
I'm going to share this with you since it's anonymous...

My sister has worked in this industry for years now.
She says "don't do it" when I ask her advice.
(I'm mid 40's she's mid 50's)
Why? Well, she says high factor sunscreen is the best thing to do. All year round.
All the other interventions will end up making you look odd.
She also says you only really care about it late 30's early 40's. Because you see the change then.
Once it's happened she says you won't give a s**t.
I mean you might not care about ending up looking odd... 🤷‍♀️

" If women are not allowed to have fine lines, or be able have a face that shows expression, then where does that leave those of us who could never afford to have these treatments?"

I do worry about this.

@SilkenBunny see I think not, her neck is completely au naturel I'd say.

I lost 6 stone in my late 40's and had a really bad saggy area in my neck. I was so unhappy with it that I started to enquire about a neck lift.

The surgeon I found said I needed a neck and lower facelift ( I would only use him as he was prepared to do it all under a local ). The two had to be done in conjunction to get the best results.

I have known him to turn people away and say to come back in ten years when it actually really needs doing so I trusted him.

The thing is I do think it's great to age naturally, I spent my life obese and quite unhappy sometimes. Now I am where I want to be and I don't mind using fillers and Botox. I felt the surgery was really important to me and it was worth every Penny.

So yeah I don't think she has had work done actually because I've had my neck done six months ago and it didn't look like hers ( no matter how subtle hers is ).

I think what I'm trying to say is each unto their own. There are beautiful women who have aged naturally and equally beautiful women who are my age (50) who also look wonderful but have clearly had work done.

Oh and I don't go in the sun, never have. I use retinol from dermatica which has made my skin glow and I'm fussy with sunscreen, I put it everywhere!

We are aware that Botox wears off after 3-4 months? Then your face goes back to how it was? You don’t end up looking permanently odd. (Maybe if you do it for 20 years but even then) - Dani Minogue has recently reportedly given up the Botox and looks amazing. Only she has far less wrinkles than she would have because she’s been having Botox for about 15 years!

"Using one of those LED face masks."

What are they good for exactly? I've read a bit about them, but it's not totally clear to me if they're worth it.

Unfortunately, laying off the wine would make me so miserable, I'd rather be wrinkly.

I have Botox and so do the majority of my friends we are all in our 40's. I wouldn't touch fillers, they look awful and so obvious. I think a little bit of botox can help you look fresher and younger as long as you don't get that frozen look.

I can only speak for myself. In theory I have the money for Botox etc. However I have a decade on you and now feel that I want to save any spare cash for private healthcare if and when necessary.eg private consultation friendly female gynaecologist my age who is an expert on menopause for guidance on HRT etc. As I get older I care more about how I feel than how I look ( just as well!) That said I am thinking about the Dennis Gross red light eye mask currently half price at Harrods! My under eyes are my most ageing thing and I'm too scared of blindness to consider fillers there!