Aibu to wonder if Botox and fillers now normal?

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I’ve so so many friends that have these now and really do feel I’m the odd one out
Friends all between 30-45 and look amazing! I’ve got to admit I’m very tempted but a bit nervous and also Ttc one last time, so unsure if it’s safe to do if Ttc???
and should I wait! I’m 40 early next year so was thinking about maybe then!
So how many have tried /or already do it? What’s your thoughts? Good?

Absolutely a hair cut is completely different to this and normalising it isn't helpful to the young women that you should look a certain way it's harmful.

Yep it’s the fact that I have two young adult daughters that makes me feel so strongly about this. I would hate it if they started to needlessly mess about with their faces like so many insecure young women do these days, so the fact that there are people my age who won’t accept normal age lines makes me fear for the younger generation even more. We should be teaching them to love themselves for who they are!

If a woman of a certain age doesn't have a line between her eyebrows then she has had botox that is the tell tale sign

Actually it isn’t. I have no 11s and only a couple of forehead lines above my left eyebrow. I haven’t had Botox and I’m 68. The tell tale sign that I haven’t had it is that my forehead moves.

[quote sweetbellyhigh]@Getyourarseofffthequattro

I don't think you know what irony is? This friend is fixated on appearance, her own and other people's to the point of commenting constantly on the size of strangers to giving unsolicited advice.

My observation of this is not even remotely comparable.

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It really is.

@PinkSyCo

Thank you so much for trying to educate me *@5128gap*, even though you do come across as rather conceited and silly. It’s really stupid to compare getting a haircut to injecting (potentially unsafe) crap into your body and I wish people like you would stop trying to normalise it.

So a woman who wants to improve her appearance is insecure, and one who is positive about her appearance is conceited. No surprises there. By describing procedures as 'injecting crap' into your body, you are again showing your ignorance. I'm well aware of the substances and am perfectly capable of deciding what is right for me, and if I want to normalise that, for myself, that's my right. I don't go around imposing it on other people. Yet strangely, the people who wouldn't touch it, but are nevertheless somehow experts, don't seem to show the same courtesy.

@Gardeningcreature

You refer to young women as having "cock sucking lips"

You are vile. I hope you don't have daughters. Or sons for that matter.

It's irritating that the "against" posters main argument is ergh you look like an alien, ugh it's unnatural, urgh my hairdresser is orange and has duck lips. But nobody on the "for" side has insulted people's appearances who haven't had work done, but apparently it's them that are only bothered about looks. Strange.

@Getyourarseofffthequattro

It's irritating that the "against" posters main argument is ergh you look like an alien, ugh it's unnatural, urgh my hairdresser is orange and has duck lips. But nobody on the "for" side has insulted people's appearances who haven't had work done, but apparently it's them that are only bothered about looks. Strange.

Haven’t they? What’s this then?

You can always tell those who haven't had fillers or botox. Those deep wrinkles and saggy skin are a dead giveaway

I know a few who have, one who tried to persuade me I 'need' it as well which just came across as rude. I do have wrinkles and so what. I would rather spend the money on a holiday myself, but each to their own.

What I would say though is that the ones who have been doing it longer term, it's starting to look less good as time goes on - I think your face can get patchy, with younger and older areas, eg smooth forehead but jowls, so it presumably starts to get quite stressful trying to match it all up. So in that way it's a slippery slope and I wouldn't personally. I know you can stop at any time but in reality who's going to do that and suddenly look older.

@Blossomtoes that was quite clearly said in sarcasm, which you clearly realise as you helpfully omitted the face.

*‘And yes Botox is a toxin.’

And not harmful in the correct dosage. Opium, henbane and hemlock for example are all poisons, yet they’re also useful in medicine. Hell, taking enough paracetamol can kill you.

‘It’s a toxin’ really doesn’t mean too much.*

Comparing things that are useful in medicine prescribed by professionals with non medicinal Botox procedures makes zero sense.

It's irritating that the "against" posters main argument is ergh you look like an alien, ugh it's unnatural, urgh my hairdresser is orange and has duck lips. But nobody on the "for" side has insulted people's appearances who haven't had work done, but apparently it's them that are only bothered about looks. Strange

You could argue that the very existence of these procedures makes the argument that there's something wrong with looking older. It's literally how they are marketed.

@Jamoffmytoast

It's irritating that the "against" posters main argument is ergh you look like an alien, ugh it's unnatural, urgh my hairdresser is orange and has duck lips. But nobody on the "for" side has insulted people's appearances who haven't had work done, but apparently it's them that are only bothered about looks. Strange

You could argue that the very existence of these procedures makes the argument that there's something wrong with looking older. It's literally how they are marketed.

But that's absolutely nothing to do with the women who choose to have them, is it? It's not them telling you you need work done.

But that's absolutely nothing to do with the women who choose to have them, is it? It's not them telling you you need work done.

As I said above, that actually has happened to me

I couldn't give a hoot about what any woman chooses to do with her face/body.
Regarding the 'injecting crap' thing..You can't expect some people not to be aghast at injecting the world's most powerful Neuro toxin into their faces.
It's nasty stuff, I'm sure it has it's place. I believe it has been used to treat muscle disorders in diseases such as cerebral palsy?
Kids have died however as a result so it should be approached with caution. I think sometimes on MN it's recommended as if it was as simple as taking an aspirin.

The hand-wringing about getting Botox in 20s and 30s is quite annoying. Nobody is guaranteed to reach their 50s so if they don't do it now they may never get the chance

@RachelGreep87

The hand-wringing about getting Botox in 20s and 30s is quite annoying. Nobody is guaranteed to reach their 50s so if they don't do it now they may never get the chance

Eh?

@Jamoffmytoast

But that's absolutely nothing to do with the women who choose to have them, is it? It's not them telling you you need work done.

As I said above, that actually has happened to me

Ok - I was quite obviously talking about the posts on this thread.

The hand-wringing about getting Botox in 20s and 30s is quite annoying. Nobody is guaranteed to reach their 50s so if they don't do it now they may never get the chance

@RachelGreep87

The hand-wringing about getting Botox in 20s and 30s is quite annoying. Nobody is guaranteed to reach their 50s so if they don't do it now they may never get the chance

No one in their 20s/30s needs this stuff. They have youth on their side.

Every single women (bar a very few) of a certain age in the public eye has had ‘work’ done. Every Hollywood actress. They’re a few exceptions such as Sarah Jessica Parker and Toni Collette. But really not that many.
They all look ‘terrible’ do they? So Cate Blanchett, Michelle Pfieffer, Gillian Anderson, Reese Witherspoon, basically all of them look terrible? Because they don’t do they? Most of them look amazing. And I’m sure it’s not just Botox they’re having.

Now yes the pressure to look good on screen means that many of them overdo it, even with all the money in the world and the best doctors.
See Courtney Cox. And Madonna.

I also think Botox and filler takes a few weeks/ a month or so to settle down. So quite often if you see someone looking a little ‘off’ they may have just had a top up.

I agree when things start to not match up (jowls plus smooth forehead). It’s time for a new plan!
But I don’t agree that everyone who has Botox looks awful and I don’t agree you can always tell.

I think understated work can look good. Just not too much.

Pmsl at Sarah Jessica Parker not having had work done.

I think the irony with botox and fillers is that they look OK on the young, but less OK on the old. Young people can get away with having egg smooth foreheads, duck lips and cheek enhancing fillers far more than an older woman, whose frozen brows will look strange in contrast to the rest of an ageing face, whose cheeks start to look like oddly-stuffed pillows and whose over filled duck lips just look plain weird on any woman over 35.

I’ve been observing certain celebs and the ones who look as if they’re ageing gracefully are probably actually ageing cleverly, by steering clear of the obviously filled, botoxed look (they’re probably having it but VERY subtly, eg they’re going for the look of a lightly lined, slightly less plumped 35 year old rather than that of a shiny 20 year old). They’re also focusing on having amazing skin, hair and teeth, plus probably throwing in a chin tuck and a little light face lift. They then allow a few wrinkles to show, and don’t go for anymore than a very light touch of filler in their lips or possibly cheeks.

My neighbour had Botox last week and my BF lip filler! Neither of them are " glam" or fashionable -so I guess its everywhere now?

I haven't felt the need for anything. Yet.

Is say SJP hasn't had any work done atm, she looks lovely as she is but she also looks to be boric and filler free.

See also Paulina Porizkova.

Wagsandclaws I agree SJP actually looks really good there, and is a good example of the look I’m describing in my post above, but I’d wager she’s had a chin or jaw lift and tuck and hair extensions at the very least.