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To ignore this bananas lawyers letter from ex?

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nomdeplooom · 12/03/2022 00:40

(Namechanged to avoid further bananas behaviour)

Separated from ex husband 11 years ago. Been with partner for 10 years and have two DC by ex- 16&14yold.

To cut a very long story short - Ex has what I reckon is a personality disorder. He's been diagnosed with both severe clinical depression and bi-polar in past, but because of his behaviour, it's hard to know what's true and what's been embellished as he LOVES the dramaaaa.

The past 11 years have been pretty hairy - lots of girlfriends, only one of which stuck around for any real time - no job, mental health rollercoaster, unsettled and struggling on the whole. Lots of anger towards me and my partner. Periods of being very unreliable with contact, but until they were teens, they wanted to see him when he was able to take them, and for spells he was better. You could be certain that the good spells wouldn't last though, and usually it was no money to see them (no job for 10 years), or too ill - both physically and mentally. Most of the effort he made with them was on social media - Loads of daily texts/messages. I'd see his texts and they were embarrassingly - all teenage 'yo girlfiend!' jargon and trying to be 'one of them' - desperately compensation for a lack of real parenting. He still believes that they have a 'magical relationship' (according to his enormous ranting emails).

Fast fwd to covid - lockdown, and eldest's mental health declined and turned out she was self harming. Obviously got her help/support and in talking to counsellor she opened up about her dad and how she was struggling to deal with him - she'd go for the weekend and he'd stay in bed, his moods would be up and down, and she hated his girlfriend, who he split from but was still on the scene. Lots came out she'd never told me. This also triggered conversations with my youngest who felt similarly about her discomfort when staying with him. When lockdown eased off there was a decision to be made about going for Xmas and they eventually said they'd go (it was his turn). I got a call on xmas day asking to be picked up - his behaviour was unstable (lots of gaslighting and 'you hate me etc' - all the things he used to do to me) and it frightened them. After that everything changed - they stopped wanting to see him and they spoke much more about how they felt uncomfortable and unsafe (not in a physical sense, but in the sense that he'd put them in risky situations and didn't take care of them properly).

Because he has so much resentment against me, the kids not wanting to see him anymore has caused an increase in friction. Lots of emails demanding contact, calling me every name under the sun, and he refuses to believe it's their decision - I must have manipulated them blahblah. He pestered them on social media to the extent they blocked him and has refused to take their very valid concerns on board. We've all now blocked him on all platforms and moved home, not telling him our new address. He lives about 30mins away and turned up at their school with letters for them, which school refused to give them. They have regular nightmare about seeing him and I'm arranging counselling as it's really affected them, causing anxiety and stress. Despite this, since they stopped seeing him, my eldest has stopped self harming and got straight As in her prelims.

Today I got a letter (at my work) from a solicitor saying he's concerned about his children's welfare and that we need to put the youngest (he can't do anything about eldest as she's over 16) back in touch with him immediately. They requested a response from our solicitor.

AIBU to toss that shit in the bin and just keep ploughing onward - or does he stand a chance in court? Surely you can't force a 14 year old to do anything they don't want to do! She's adamant she doesn't want to see him and turned down an offer of mediation.

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DowntonCrabby · 12/03/2022 00:47

Id suggest keeping it for your records but absolutely don’t respond.

What a prick, you all sound well rid. Flowers

Lockheart · 12/03/2022 00:50

Your solicitor needs to respond to the letter, you don't have to give him contact immediately. Do not ignore the letter. If it goes to court that will not reflect well on you.

EthelTheAardvark · 12/03/2022 00:50

Ask them if he proposes to pay your daughter's solicitors' fees?

EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 12/03/2022 00:52

Ignore it. If he takes you to court your youngest is old enough to voice their opinion. I don't think he'll take it that far though.

I think the councillors sessions are a good idea and hopefully would prove you are putting their needs first and not trying to influence things I'm it did go to court

Hawkins001 · 12/03/2022 00:53

All the best op, and as lovely as mumsnet is, I'd recommend legal advice from here and from other sources.

nomdeplooom · 12/03/2022 00:54

Thanks @DowntonCrabby - I'm thankful every day that I walked away...

Yes, I thought I might keep a hold just in case. Ignoring him seems like best option, but he's so desperate for a reaction, I worry it'll escalate.

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nomdeplooom · 12/03/2022 00:55

@Lockheart

Your solicitor needs to respond to the letter, you don't have to give him contact immediately. Do not ignore the letter. If it goes to court that will not reflect well on you.
Do you have experience of that happening? That's the worrying bit for me - that anyone would take him seriously. I have all of his emails just in case that happened. God, what a nightmare...
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nomdeplooom · 12/03/2022 00:56

@EthelTheAardvark

Ask them if he proposes to pay your daughter's solicitors' fees?
Ha - as if! @EthelTheAardvark

When it first happened we discussed mediation to repair his relationship with them and he wanted us to pay for the kids!

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nomdeplooom · 12/03/2022 00:59

@EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall

Ignore it. If he takes you to court your youngest is old enough to voice their opinion. I don't think he'll take it that far though.

I think the councillors sessions are a good idea and hopefully would prove you are putting their needs first and not trying to influence things I'm it did go to court

We're going ahead with the counseling regardless @EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall - I know he'd probably get legal aid with being unemployed and he's loopy enough to go through with it I reckon... Whatever happens, I know 100% she doesn't want to see him, so it seems so pointless to put her in that position. He's actually damaging their relationship further...
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AskingforaBaskin · 12/03/2022 01:03

You do not need to do anything at all. No 14 year old who is deemed Gilliick competent is going to be forced to do anything by a court.

I would even laugh at the notion of it getting that far.
I'd keep it because I hoard paperwork.

But mentally disregard it. Nothing will look bad on you especially ignoring a letter not even worth the paper it's printed on.

Notimeforaname · 12/03/2022 01:11

Hang on to the letter just in case. But for now, I'd do nothing. You sound like a fantastic mum, carry on as you are.
You know your children best. Let him run around getting letters.
As pps say, your child is old enough to voice an opinion officially should it come to that.

nomdeplooom · 12/03/2022 01:14

@AskingforaBaskin - my youngest is super competent - intelligent and self-possessed. Throughout this whole ordeal I've kept checking they definitely don't want to try mediation as I'd hate to be accused of manipulation, but they're both utterly adamant. I think time away from them has consolidated the whole thing and they can see how affected they actually were - it was insidious. I'm worried about what another couple posters have said though about not ignoring, so I might get some legal advice before making a final decision. Thanks though - i too think it's pretty laughable, just don't want to be complacent.

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babbi · 12/03/2022 01:14

Just ignore the letter and file it away .
There’s not a chance any judge will force a 14 year old to visit a parent she doesn’t want contact with .
How would that work ??
Someone drag her from your house to his ??
Try not to worry … honestly everything will be ok .. just keep your distance and try to enjoy life with your family .

nomdeplooom · 12/03/2022 01:16

@Notimeforaname

Hang on to the letter just in case. But for now, I'd do nothing. You sound like a fantastic mum, carry on as you are. You know your children best. Let him run around getting letters. As pps say, your child is old enough to voice an opinion officially should it come to that.
Really appreciate that @Notimeforaname - it's so hard to have this madness 11 years on - feels like it'll never be over. I just want my DCs to be able to drop their shoulders a bit, get through exams and feel lighter but he's like a dark shadow following us around...
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TwoAndCooPlease · 12/03/2022 01:23

No help just wanted to pop on and say you sound like a very lovely mum 💐

nomdeplooom · 12/03/2022 01:25

@TwoAndCooPlease thanks so very much - that helps more than you know :)

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Willyoujustbequiet · 12/03/2022 01:27

I agree with you entirely but unfortunately have experience of 14 year olds being forced to go under Child Arrangement Orders.

The family court gives priority to fathers over children imo. Try and drag it out until they are 15.

Chloemol · 12/03/2022 01:34

Personally I would get some legal advice and understand what the options are. I would hate for you to take the word of people in here to ignore the letter , you do that, and it comes back to bite you

Be safe, get proper advice

nomdeplooom · 12/03/2022 01:35

@Willyoujustbequiet

I agree with you entirely but unfortunately have experience of 14 year olds being forced to go under Child Arrangement Orders.

The family court gives priority to fathers over children imo. Try and drag it out until they are 15.

That's really worrying @Willyoujustbequiet - That would be another year as she actually turns 14 in couple weeks. Sounds like some legal advice may be best way fwd after all. She's anxious enough without having to deal with that.
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Rainbowqueeen · 12/03/2022 01:54

Does the letter actually suggest any steps to make this happen?

I would keep it. If asked why you didn’t respond I would just say that there are legal steps that he could take to change the current arrangements and you assumed that he would be doing those. Write a record confirming that you have spoken to DD and she does not want to change the current arrangement and sign and date it.

Best wishes to all 3 of you. It sounds really tough

Booklover3 · 12/03/2022 01:54

You could actually get the solicitor to write back and state that your child has needed counselling due to their fathers actions and it won’t be happening.

I know nothing about law and haven’t been in your situation so that might not be the best answer however.

Flowers
TheDuchessOfBeddington · 12/03/2022 01:56

There is no way on earth he will get visitation if your 14 year old doesn’t want to see him.

I do understand that you will be worried about whether or not if you need to respond to a solicitors letter.

For that I do not know the answer but wanted to respond with some Flowers for you! Sorry you are going though such a tough time, and I’m glad you have the support of your DC.

BigOlDingleSlinger69 · 12/03/2022 02:27

It’s likely he’ll probably give up on this only to write you more and more texts and or emails. Probably splash his woe over “what your doing to him” all over his Facebook too.

Of course there is some slight possibility the court may side with him. I’d really try to get your kids into some more limited contact with him as they may resent you blocking him off totally later. As in very limited. Also this may be enough to satisfy him (even though he’ll also complain about it probably).

Despite what a poster above said courts don’t prioritise fathers above children - and I guess many fathers would say this about mothers too. The reality is a lot of people in divorce do try to cut the other parent out of the childrens life up to what in convienent for them personally, and as the majority of those who get custody are mothers when contact is ordered it’s usually with the father.
The courts don’t know you or him, only what they see in a limited amount of time and the sad truth is many mothers (or fathers if they have custody though it’s rarer) are totally willingly to lie about their children’s father to make their lives easier to move on with once they’re sick of the relationship. The courts have no way of knowing “the real truth” so they usually just split their decision down the middle of something for everyone.

k1233 · 12/03/2022 03:15

Get legal advice. I would think if your daughter is ok with her counsellor writing a letter, ask your solicitor if a letter from the counsellor supporting your daughter's reticence to see her father would be helpful.

But overall, speak to someone knowledgeable in the law and what is an appropriate response to the letter.

User310 · 12/03/2022 03:27

Op you do not need to get a solicitor to write back, you can write back yourself. I wouldn’t waste hundreds of pounds entertaining this.