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To ignore this bananas lawyers letter from ex?

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nomdeplooom · 12/03/2022 00:40

(Namechanged to avoid further bananas behaviour)

Separated from ex husband 11 years ago. Been with partner for 10 years and have two DC by ex- 16&14yold.

To cut a very long story short - Ex has what I reckon is a personality disorder. He's been diagnosed with both severe clinical depression and bi-polar in past, but because of his behaviour, it's hard to know what's true and what's been embellished as he LOVES the dramaaaa.

The past 11 years have been pretty hairy - lots of girlfriends, only one of which stuck around for any real time - no job, mental health rollercoaster, unsettled and struggling on the whole. Lots of anger towards me and my partner. Periods of being very unreliable with contact, but until they were teens, they wanted to see him when he was able to take them, and for spells he was better. You could be certain that the good spells wouldn't last though, and usually it was no money to see them (no job for 10 years), or too ill - both physically and mentally. Most of the effort he made with them was on social media - Loads of daily texts/messages. I'd see his texts and they were embarrassingly - all teenage 'yo girlfiend!' jargon and trying to be 'one of them' - desperately compensation for a lack of real parenting. He still believes that they have a 'magical relationship' (according to his enormous ranting emails).

Fast fwd to covid - lockdown, and eldest's mental health declined and turned out she was self harming. Obviously got her help/support and in talking to counsellor she opened up about her dad and how she was struggling to deal with him - she'd go for the weekend and he'd stay in bed, his moods would be up and down, and she hated his girlfriend, who he split from but was still on the scene. Lots came out she'd never told me. This also triggered conversations with my youngest who felt similarly about her discomfort when staying with him. When lockdown eased off there was a decision to be made about going for Xmas and they eventually said they'd go (it was his turn). I got a call on xmas day asking to be picked up - his behaviour was unstable (lots of gaslighting and 'you hate me etc' - all the things he used to do to me) and it frightened them. After that everything changed - they stopped wanting to see him and they spoke much more about how they felt uncomfortable and unsafe (not in a physical sense, but in the sense that he'd put them in risky situations and didn't take care of them properly).

Because he has so much resentment against me, the kids not wanting to see him anymore has caused an increase in friction. Lots of emails demanding contact, calling me every name under the sun, and he refuses to believe it's their decision - I must have manipulated them blahblah. He pestered them on social media to the extent they blocked him and has refused to take their very valid concerns on board. We've all now blocked him on all platforms and moved home, not telling him our new address. He lives about 30mins away and turned up at their school with letters for them, which school refused to give them. They have regular nightmare about seeing him and I'm arranging counselling as it's really affected them, causing anxiety and stress. Despite this, since they stopped seeing him, my eldest has stopped self harming and got straight As in her prelims.

Today I got a letter (at my work) from a solicitor saying he's concerned about his children's welfare and that we need to put the youngest (he can't do anything about eldest as she's over 16) back in touch with him immediately. They requested a response from our solicitor.

AIBU to toss that shit in the bin and just keep ploughing onward - or does he stand a chance in court? Surely you can't force a 14 year old to do anything they don't want to do! She's adamant she doesn't want to see him and turned down an offer of mediation.

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nomdeplooom · 12/03/2022 15:21

@secretsqizzle @Willyoujustbequiet Having just had a google, apparently there's no equivalent of CAFCASS in Scotland but surely there will a similar process with a different service. Our local solicitor is friendly with us and helped with my divorce for free, so I'm hoping he'll be pretty lenient with charging for an initial bit of advice. I take your point @ScreamIntoTheWind though - could well be worth the investment and having looked at who he's engaged, they're just a small local firm with family law specialism. If he received a letter from a good family law firm, that could make all the difference. We're by no means rich but both have decent incomes so if it came to it, I'd be happy to pay extra to make sure my DC doesn't have to go to court etc. I do worry his lack of money gives him access to legal aid to take it further - I might look into where he stands there via out solicitor.

@Wilyoujustbequietl - that's terrifying - I'm so sorry to hear about your 13 yold (and you) having to go through that. Am horrified and suitable scared that could happen to us...

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nomdeplooom · 12/03/2022 15:22

edit - WITHOUT family law specialism!

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nomdeplooom · 12/03/2022 15:40

@WickedStepmomNOT

Glad to hear you're speaking to a solicitor - as you say, if it's not his line of work and he can't help, he'll know someone who can. Good luck, but I think a solicitor's letter replying to your exh will send him running OR show him up as so deranged, his solicitor will refuse to act for him.
God I hope so - just wondering what next trick he has up his sleeve - the opening line in the letter saying he's 'concerned about the welfare of his children' indicates to me that he's peddling a narrative that they're not being looked after or are at risk, hilariously. (as in laughcry)

He'd have to do a pretty good spin doctor job to get anyone to believe him on that one - kids are happy, do well in school, excellent relationship with my partner and are well looked after. The school are also aware of the situation and DCs wishes not to see him. I work with them as I'm often based in the community, so they have knowledge of my character. I can't imagine he'd have similar references...

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Oblomov22 · 12/03/2022 15:53

Maybe you should start asking friends if they know a good solicitor now, just to be prepared / if you need advice quickly, should he start court action pre 15.

reallyworriedjobhunter · 12/03/2022 15:58

If he is sending you these harassing emails, have you ever shown them to the police? The bit about moving and not giving him your address made me wonder if that might be a good idea.

beachcitygirl · 12/03/2022 16:03

Just be so wary. My ex wasn't interested in the slightest & then all of a sudden these very well worded letters. Turns out he had joined fathers for justice & they all share stuff on there & wind each other up & even have lawyers who give them standard responses etc.
Nutjobs

Easterbunnyiswindowshopping · 12/03/2022 16:06

My exh had his solicitor write to me demanding I take down my blinds as he could not see into my home now.
I ignored and binned it. No judge ordered me to take them down..
Report him for harrasement op. Every time he contacts you.

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PandemicAtTheDisco · 12/03/2022 17:18

A friend's ex got involved with fathers for justice. He made a huge fuss about nothing - he wanted to see his children only at random times he chose at short notice, that were just by chance the most intrusive for everyone but himself (during my friend's birthday celebrations!) and with my friend facilitating all transport. My friend was apparently stopping him from seeing his children - despite her trying desperately to set up regular days. His parents were happy to facilitate visits at their house.

He ended up with set contact times and had to meet them near where they'd lived as a family and not where he'd moved away to. He made a huge deal about how he'd finally got justice despite the arrangements being virtually exactly what my friend had been trying to set up. He then cancelled most visits at the last mistake.

For some reason the children don't see him much anymore as they don't want to yet he claims parental alienation. It's always been all about him getting attention. They are in the UK and the children were able to say no to visits with just him when they were about 12. They see his parents every other week for a half day and he has always been welcome to turn up and join in. He doesn't bother.

Are there any decent men that Fathers for Justice help or is it just the narcs?

Littlepaws18 · 12/03/2022 20:29

The person who said don't ignore it won't reflect well is completely wrong. I have extensive experience with family court. My ex took me to court for access he lost. After he lost he got a solicitor to send me a letter asking for all the court documents and to break the court order and let him visit my child. I rang the solicitor and told her how unprofessional she was asking me to break a court order and if she wanted the documents to get them from the court. I wish I never bothered. There was absolutely nothing they could do.

Your child has said she doesn't want to visit. All he can do is take you to court, which he won't because it requires effort and staying power both he doesn't have. And welcome court you have enough evidence to get rid of him.

Ignore the letter. If you get more ignore them. He is looking for an easy way to manipulate the situation

Nothingsfine · 12/03/2022 21:18

I could've written most of your post myself OP. Slightly different issues but the same bullying behaviour and threats. Let me just reassure you that court saw through it and seemingly all it took for my ex to give up the bullying (and also stop seeing our DC through his own choice) was being told visits would be on my terms and if I deemed them to be safe. Our DC were listened to and their feelings were taken into account.

EthelTheAardvark · 13/03/2022 09:50

@Easterbunnyiswindowshopping

My exh had his solicitor write to me demanding I take down my blinds as he could not see into my home now. I ignored and binned it. No judge ordered me to take them down.. Report him for harrasement op. Every time he contacts you.
That's hilarious. I bet his solicitor double-charged him for that, to compensate for the sheer embarrassment of having to send out something so nonsensical.
EthelTheAardvark · 13/03/2022 09:52

The person who said don't ignore it won't reflect well is completely wrong. I have extensive experience with family court. My ex took me to court for access he lost. After he lost he got a solicitor to send me a letter asking for all the court documents and to break the court order and let him visit my child. I rang the solicitor and told her how unprofessional she was asking me to break a court order and if she wanted the documents to get them from the court. I wish I never bothered. There was absolutely nothing they could do.

I think you were right to pull them up on it, but not by phone. At the very least you should have entered a formal complaint with the senior partner (or whoever deals with complaints in that firm), because trying to bullshit an unrepresented opponent into breaking a court order is grossly unprofessional.

nomdeplooom · 13/03/2022 18:32

@reallyworriedjobhunter

If he is sending you these harassing emails, have you ever shown them to the police? The bit about moving and not giving him your address made me wonder if that might be a good idea.
They never got to the extent that I considered it tbh - there was one phase where it was a bit manic though. He's so up and down with it all - you think everything's better then one thing and it triggers a novella of woe. I've blocked him on everything now anyway, so only thing he could do is show up at the house - hence us not telling him where we moved to, which he'll no doubt use in his favour as part the 'conspiracy against him'.

I have made sure to keep all emails though just in case!

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nomdeplooom · 13/03/2022 18:35

@Easterbunnyiswindowshopping

My exh had his solicitor write to me demanding I take down my blinds as he could not see into my home now. I ignored and binned it. No judge ordered me to take them down.. Report him for harrasement op. Every time he contacts you.
jesus - that's next level!! I really hope he's backed off since then!

He can't contact me anymore as he's been blocked on everything - this letter is obviously his last option other than waiting outside our work/school - that would be when I'd call the police.

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nomdeplooom · 13/03/2022 18:37

@beachcitygirl

Just be so wary. My ex wasn't interested in the slightest & then all of a sudden these very well worded letters. Turns out he had joined fathers for justice & they all share stuff on there & wind each other up & even have lawyers who give them standard responses etc. Nutjobs
@beachcitygirl I can guarantee he'll be all over FFJ message boards, getting all riled up. Premier nutjobs - making it all about THEM.
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cherryonthecakes · 13/03/2022 18:41

Keep the letter but fine to ignore. You can pay a solicitor to send a letter about anything you want. There was a thread on here where an ex h sent a letter demanding that the OP change back to her maiden name because his new wife didn't like it.

If he's serious, he can take it to court but I wouldn't do anything.

cherryonthecakes · 13/03/2022 18:44

The others are right about you writing a reply if you decide to respond. Each letter the solicitor writes will cost your ex more money.

nomdeplooom · 13/03/2022 18:47

@PandemicAtTheDisco

A friend's ex got involved with fathers for justice. He made a huge fuss about nothing - he wanted to see his children only at random times he chose at short notice, that were just by chance the most intrusive for everyone but himself (during my friend's birthday celebrations!) and with my friend facilitating all transport. My friend was apparently stopping him from seeing his children - despite her trying desperately to set up regular days. His parents were happy to facilitate visits at their house.

He ended up with set contact times and had to meet them near where they'd lived as a family and not where he'd moved away to. He made a huge deal about how he'd finally got justice despite the arrangements being virtually exactly what my friend had been trying to set up. He then cancelled most visits at the last mistake.

For some reason the children don't see him much anymore as they don't want to yet he claims parental alienation. It's always been all about him getting attention. They are in the UK and the children were able to say no to visits with just him when they were about 12. They see his parents every other week for a half day and he has always been welcome to turn up and join in. He doesn't bother.

Are there any decent men that Fathers for Justice help or is it just the narcs?

After hearing my DCs open up about how shitty it could be when they were at their dad's house over the years, I feel bad I also facilitated their relationship so much - until the Christmas incident, I never once stood in the way of them seeing him and most of the arguing was about times/picking them up/drops offs etc. Indeed a couple times I got 'I've had enough of you so I won't see the kids anymore!' emails which I managed to talk him down from.

I think he truly expected to: not pay any maintenance because, you know 'depression', receive huge amounts of sympathy and understanding about only taking them when he felt like it, or could organise transportation, and that I would defer to his superior parenting skills because only he 'gets' the kids. All whilst working to support them without any help from him.

With these guys it's about control and ego - just as you illustrated with your friend's experience, it wasn't about having kids regularly, it was about her bending to his will.

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nomdeplooom · 13/03/2022 18:49

@cherryonthecakes - the maiden name thing induced a tea snort!

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nomdeplooom · 13/03/2022 18:52

@Nothingsfine

I could've written most of your post myself OP. Slightly different issues but the same bullying behaviour and threats. Let me just reassure you that court saw through it and seemingly all it took for my ex to give up the bullying (and also stop seeing our DC through his own choice) was being told visits would be on my terms and if I deemed them to be safe. Our DC were listened to and their feelings were taken into account.
I can totally imagine him LOVING his day in court - so many of his emails have all that legalese nonsense, and he loves the sound of his own voice. He doesn't realise he comes over as unhinged though, with his frantic communication style, so he'd no doubt hang himself.

I just want to avoid any unnecessary drama for my DC as it's her worst nightmare. I'm sooo pleased you managed to get a decent outcome for you and your DCs. I hope it's been maintained :)

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HeartsAndClubs · 13/03/2022 18:58

Be careful here OP.

There was a dispatches programme on channel4 last year about the family courts and there were at least 2 families where teenagers your DD’s age were forceably removed from their mother in the middle of the night and taken to live with their father because of perceived parental alienation.

Of course the hope is that it won’t happen, but the fact that there are cases where it has is enough reason to seek professional legal advice rather than just take the comments from people on here reassuring you that nothing will happen.

Steelesauce · 13/03/2022 18:59

I would ignore it. It takes a long time to get to court these days and your DD will likely be 15/16 by the time it does. Nutter exs always like to cause drama. Best off just ignoring it 99% of the time. If he was that concerned, he would contact social services who would do a welfare check with the schools and tell him all is well and go through court.

nomdeplooom · 13/03/2022 19:07

@HeartsAndClubs

Be careful here OP.

There was a dispatches programme on channel4 last year about the family courts and there were at least 2 families where teenagers your DD’s age were forceably removed from their mother in the middle of the night and taken to live with their father because of perceived parental alienation.

Of course the hope is that it won’t happen, but the fact that there are cases where it has is enough reason to seek professional legal advice rather than just take the comments from people on here reassuring you that nothing will happen.

Someone else made me aware of this, but thanks @HeartsAndClubs - I'm taking this very seriously - not sure if that programme looked at Scotland and if it's any different here...

Regardless, it seems that by throwing around the term 'parental alienation' people are getting away with murder - the figures show that this accusation is 5 times more likely to be used in domestic abuse cases - of course children who have witnessed the abuse of their mums won't want to have visitation with the perpetrator - that's not parental alienation! It's mad.

Am going to get legal advice next week.

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Soul11Soul · 13/03/2022 19:31

Hi Op. I'm glad you will see a solicitor. As you are aware the Scottish system is very different so much of the advice here will be wrong or inconsistent.

For example, in Scotland children do not mediate with their parents. It is the parents who go into mediation. There is too much of a power imbalance for any reputable and registered mediator to sit with a child and a parent. There is child inclusive mediation where a child is seen separately by a specialist mediator and their views are fed back to the parents by the mediator. Scottish courts are very serious at the moment about "Hearing the Voice of The Child", however, so if you did go to court a Child Welfare Report would likely be drafted. The chances are the children, school etc would be interviewed by a reporter. The problem with court is that there is absolutely no way to guess which way it will go. And you're right, he is likely to get legal aid.