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AIBU: asked to make scones, then called a feeder...

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Queenofscones · 08/03/2022 12:13

I've name-changed for this. I'm sorry it's so long. I'm a member of a women's book group that has grown over the years to be more like a women's social group. We decided to celebrate the end of Covid regulations by renting a large self-catering house on the coast and having a long weekend of walking, talking, reading, yoga etc. There were 18 of us and the organiser asked various of us to each take responsibility for a meal. I was asked to provide scones for the afternoon we all arrived. No problem: I'm a decent home cook. Then about a week before we were due to go the organiser contacted me to say five of those attending were vegan, so could I provide something for them. I have a good vegan brownie recipe, so I added a batch of brownies to my to-do list.

Then at about three days notice the woman who was due to make Saturday night's supper went down with a cold that might have been Covid and I was asked to take over that, too, because apparently no one else was available (hmmm). She'd bought all the ingredients for veggie lasagne so I collected the ingredients from her and made and froze two big lasagnes. Then to cater for the vegans I made a separate vegan pasta dish.

I turned up early on the Friday afternoon and put out 18 scones and a dozen brownies for everyone. I knew I'd over-catered, but you never know
how much people will eat on these kind of occasions. They'd come out well and everyone enjoyed them.

That evening the woman tasked with cooking Friday night's meal got a bit overwhelmed and so I spent a couple of hours in the kitchen assisting and helped her serve up her Mexican feast (which was delicious). It became clear by Saturday that I'd been labelled the kitchen queen and also that about half the group weren't helping with the washing up or any aspect of the meals. They'd pick up a tea towel, dry a cup and then vanish, leaving what they called the 'kitchen crew' to pick up the slack.

On the Saturday, when we all came back from a long walk, I put the left-over scones and brownies out and several women ate them and then said things like 'You're going to make me fat!' I was the biggest person there: I'm a size 18-20. I began to feel really uncomfortable about the whole situation. That evening I served the lasagnes. They were particularly good (I don't always get things right) and everyone was very complimentary. One of them, who's extra-slim, came into the kitchen when others were around and thanked me for the food and said 'It's always great to have a feeder around at events like this because then the rest of us get to eat so well.' A couple of other people picked it up and wanted to pat me on the back for being a feeder. I said that I I thought the word 'feeder' was something thin people used to put down fat people and I'd prefer them not to use it. They insisted it was a compliment.

I came home feeling angry with myself for falling into the trap of taking so much of the food provision on to be helpful, and also with the women who'd enjoyed my food but then put me in my pace by calling me a feeder. To me the word carries a lot of condescension — as if they are above providing food and as if food isn't really important and it wouldn't have mattered if no one had bothered to organise meals.

I called the organisers yesterday and told them that I wouldn't be involved in the provision or preparation of food on any subsequent trips away. I said I felt that the division of labour had been unfair. They listened and agreed that too much of the responsibility for the food had fallen on just three of us, and they agreed that some women hadn't done their fair share of work and were as p*ed off as I was about it. But they said 'feeder' is a compliment, not an insult, and implied that it's my own weight issue that has made me unduly sensitive to the word.

It's doing my head in. Am I AIBU to be agree to feed people, then told I'm a feeder and feel insulted?

OP posts:
sylv165 · 08/03/2022 17:03

I think it is rubbish that you got saddled with an unfair share of the work, and you were definitely right to call that out. But I am quite surprised at the number of people who only see negative connotations to the word "feeder". I'm in Northern Ireland and it would be quite common to call people a feeder - most often those mums/grandmas who always have freshly baked cakes ready and waiting for your arrival, bring out a huge plates of biscuits and would die of shame if anyone ever left their house hungry. That sort of OTT generosity and hospitality. I'm glad you started the post OP, I'll be a wee bit more cautious about how I use the word from now on!

DisforDarkChocolate · 08/03/2022 17:06

Definitely not a compliment, and from what you've said it wasn't meant to be.

Masdintle · 08/03/2022 17:06

Yep the word they needed was cook. Good cook even better. Feeder a hideous insult. Really bad connotations. Never a compliment when there's a perfectly good phrase like 'good cook'

RockinHorseShit · 08/03/2022 17:06

Lots of people would have heard the word and it assoc only with person who provides lots of food not "weirdo woman orgasming at the thought of me having seconds of lasagne)

Yes ofc, but it's still derogatory & patronising in that it's belittling like patting the servant on the head for tempting them to eat too much nice food. Unless a malapropism, it's pretty snooty

& it's not weirdo woman, it's weirdo man over feeding his partner as a form of control & abuse for sexual kicks

latetothefisting · 08/03/2022 17:10

@tigerbird

Wtf? It’s most definitely not a compliment — I can only think that loads of people on this thread just aren’t familiar with the word. It’s used to mean: someone who overfeeds other people to make them fat, for their own psychological reasons. Often directed at overweight women with the implication that they’re obsessed with food and want to make other people fat too! (And other nastier uses in porn). It is most definitely a put down!

I would be really pissed off by that, OP, as it come across as a really rude and dismissive thing to say. The best I can suggest is that the people who were using it and your group leaders didn’t actually realise the full negative connotations. I would be fucking furious and wouldn’t be cooking for any of them again. You did a lot of work for them and got some kind of dusty put down back rather than the appreciation you should have had. (And the put-downers are also clearly jealous that you’re such a good cook, too.)

Don't be so patronising. Just because people have different interpretations of the word 'feeder' to you doesn't mean they are wrong and you are right. Unless you're the editor of the Oxford English Dictionary you don't get to unilaterally decide what a word means.

There are some phrases that people use differently. There was a thread a while back about "You're looking well," which was similar. Some people thought how could it be anything but a compliment, others said that everyone knew it was shorthand for "You've put on weight!"

FWIW when I think of a feeder I think of a slim person who feeds up the others around them while not eating themselves!

diddl · 08/03/2022 17:11

I think "feeder" takes away from all the hard work Op did & reduces supplying food down to a basic level.

She didn't just feed them!

ThanksItHasPockets · 08/03/2022 17:11

Believe it or not not everyone in the group can afford to spend £200-300 for a weekend away. And that's why I like this group. Because we try to make it possible for everyone to participate. We have women on £100k+ a year and women who have been homeless and struggle to get by day-to-day.

That’s laudable but how ironic that this was made possible by your labour and time, which was then undervalued and shared unequally in exactly the same way that domestic labour is undervalued by the patriarchy. You were right to raise this. I’d be furious with those so-called feminists.

SamphiretheStickerist · 08/03/2022 17:21

@Esspee

Feeder is a compliment. It’s a person who shows love through nurturing.
That is such a scary uinterpretation. Given that the way the term is mostly used, where it actually comes from as a standalone 'thing' it is even worse.

It's one of those twee Social Media appropriations of the language of sexual kinks, in this case Fat Fetishism. Given that I had heard of them even back in the early 90s, prior to t'internet being an every day thing and that Big Beautiful Women was started in the 70s, I am sure the origins of the term go way back.

funnelfanjo · 08/03/2022 17:23

Regardless of whether it's right to regard the term "feeder" as benign or not, you asked them to not use the term to describe you as you didn't regard it as a compliment. Some people disregarded that and continued to use it despite your stated uncomfortableness.

On that basis alone, YANBU, and it would cause me to seriously re-evaluate the group dynamics and role in the group.

Marynotsocontrary · 08/03/2022 17:24

But they didn't mention her weight until OP reacted badly to the word.

We actually don't know if OP's weight was explicitly mentioned at all.
She said they
"implied that it's my own weight issue that has made me unduly sensitive to the word".

She hasn't said how the implication was made.

AnotherPoster · 08/03/2022 17:29

I'm a good cook and would undoubtedly have ended up doing as much as you if not more. That is because I am also a control freak and a bit of a show off too. (not suggesting you are either of those things obviously!) I find cooking much easier than others and would relish enjoying the whole weekend's activities and still having the time, energy and skills to be involved in all the kitchen work too. I guess I would be called a feeder {shrug}. It wouldn't bother me. I wouldn't see that as an insult. I would take it as affirmation that I can indeed do all those things as easily and successfully as I supposed. I don't get where being a feeder or carer or provider is incompatible with being a feminist tbh.

It would piss me off though that people were moaning, however jokingly, that my food is going to make them fat. I can't stand it when people a) can't let their strict food regimes relax for the duration of one weekend/celebration, and b) can't self regulate their intake of food. If they don't want to get fat, they can take smaller portions!

Brefugee · 08/03/2022 17:29

Given the further context OP provided, i think the word "feeder" from at least one of the women was used in a way that she would be able to claim 'plausible deniability' if she were to be challenged on it.
Personally? i think i would take it as an insult.

OP what i think is that if you do this again the ones of you who did all the "kitchen duties" stick together and say to the others "right, your turn" and stick to it. Don't even pick up a tea-towel. And if things don't get done? Well you can decide if you want to, but you should then also say that it's not on for freeloaders to take advantage of other people's good nature, and what are they going to offer in exchange.

BoredZelda · 08/03/2022 17:30

You cooked, people complimented you and it’s a problem somehow?

DottyHarmer · 08/03/2022 17:31

I don’t like the term, but I don’t think it’s an insult, more of, as a pp said, a “mother hen” type phrase.

BUT , that being said, it lands in the same category for me as someone saying “You’re a star!” when you have undertaken a lot of work/done a massive favour. It belittles the effort and is a pat on the head. So “feeder” sounds like the OP was only too pleased to be doing all the cooking and washing up (whilst the others had fun…).

ArianaDumbledore · 08/03/2022 17:35

YANBU

I think it was used to diminish your hard work - that you had a compulsion to cater and you were the lucky one to have the opportunity to cater for everyone.

StrawberrySquash · 08/03/2022 17:37

It's about context. It can be used for someone who does too much feeding of people, but really it's just about people who show love through food and by feeding people well. That can have issues, but it can also be a wonderful thing. So I think you are overthinking things a bit and projecting. You made nice food, people enjoyed it - be happy! I love to feed people.
But yes, the lazy types should pull their weight.

ghostmouse · 08/03/2022 17:39

Feeder is not a compliment!

A feeder (to me) means someone who is always trying to force food on someone and not taking no for an answer. I had an ex friend who did this to me a lot and she would get offfended when I said no
I don’t think you are a feeder at all op, you took over a lot of the cooking when everyone else did fuck all and your food sounded lovely.

Your group don’t sound very nice tbh and would I hell be cooking for them again.

SamphiretheStickerist · 08/03/2022 17:42

Does it not bother you @StrawberrySquash that the term comes from a sexual fetish, when a thin person buys food for an ever increasingly fat and immobile person enabling, forcing them to get fatter and fatter? That the sexual kink is in the feeding, the growth of fat, the absolute control of a person - that increases as the weight increases?

SleepingStandingUp · 08/03/2022 17:42

& it's not weirdo woman, it's weirdo man over feeding his partner as a form of control & abuse for sexual kicks I was referrijng to OP as she's a woman. If people are using feeder in the sexual kinks way then it follows that's she's a weirdo woman not she's pretending to be a man 🙄

pickingdaisies · 08/03/2022 17:47

My take is they might not have meant it as an insult, but since OP took it that way they should have apologised for thoughtless language - it plainly has more than one meaning.
Secondly, it WAS insulting because it implied that OP had volunteered for all the cooking, was pleased to do it, pushed herself to the front to do it - not that she'd stepped up because she was asked directly to do it.
But also OP, you should have thrown marigolds and cloths at the lazy sods - while brightly proclaiming that cooks don't clean up!

Shelby2010 · 08/03/2022 17:49

A feeder implies someone who tries to fatten other people up so they don’t look overweight by comparison. Or who wants to control other people by making them eat too much.

At the very least it is someone who has disordered attitudes to eating.

None of these are complimentary.

Snaketime · 08/03/2022 17:50

YABU, it is a compliment. It is someone who likes to make sure no one is hungry. A feeder can be either fat or thin, they just like to see other people eat and enjoy the food they have made.

muckandnettles · 08/03/2022 18:02

I'd be furious at doing all that work for them, not the words they used especially (though I wouldn't take kindly to be called a feeder myself) but the lack of real appreciation for all the work you did. You are right to raise it with them.

Laska2Meryls · 08/03/2022 18:03

@Snaketime

YABU, it is a compliment. It is someone who likes to make sure no one is hungry. A feeder can be either fat or thin, they just like to see other people eat and enjoy the food they have made.
But OP wasnt at the weekend to be rhe cook or kitchen slave , whilst the others didn't help out! She stepped in on the first night to help someone out when no one else did , and she stepped in again on the 2nd night at organisers request .

The obvious response should have been the others doing the cleaning up and saying a big thanks, not giving her label that she said was unacceptable to her ( whether others think so or not) and not retracting it afterwards ,and in fact then having it reinforced to OP as a problem of how she sees herself afterwards by the organisers of the trip ...

hangrylady · 08/03/2022 18:21

My understanding is that feeders are usually skinny people (often men) who have a fetish for extremely overweight women and feed them constantly in order to maintain their weight. The feeder in a relationship isn't the fat one. I might be wrong but I don't think calling you a feeder was in reference to your weight. I'm a size 10 and have been called a feeder jokingly by friends as I always make to much food.