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AIBU: asked to make scones, then called a feeder...

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Queenofscones · 08/03/2022 12:13

I've name-changed for this. I'm sorry it's so long. I'm a member of a women's book group that has grown over the years to be more like a women's social group. We decided to celebrate the end of Covid regulations by renting a large self-catering house on the coast and having a long weekend of walking, talking, reading, yoga etc. There were 18 of us and the organiser asked various of us to each take responsibility for a meal. I was asked to provide scones for the afternoon we all arrived. No problem: I'm a decent home cook. Then about a week before we were due to go the organiser contacted me to say five of those attending were vegan, so could I provide something for them. I have a good vegan brownie recipe, so I added a batch of brownies to my to-do list.

Then at about three days notice the woman who was due to make Saturday night's supper went down with a cold that might have been Covid and I was asked to take over that, too, because apparently no one else was available (hmmm). She'd bought all the ingredients for veggie lasagne so I collected the ingredients from her and made and froze two big lasagnes. Then to cater for the vegans I made a separate vegan pasta dish.

I turned up early on the Friday afternoon and put out 18 scones and a dozen brownies for everyone. I knew I'd over-catered, but you never know
how much people will eat on these kind of occasions. They'd come out well and everyone enjoyed them.

That evening the woman tasked with cooking Friday night's meal got a bit overwhelmed and so I spent a couple of hours in the kitchen assisting and helped her serve up her Mexican feast (which was delicious). It became clear by Saturday that I'd been labelled the kitchen queen and also that about half the group weren't helping with the washing up or any aspect of the meals. They'd pick up a tea towel, dry a cup and then vanish, leaving what they called the 'kitchen crew' to pick up the slack.

On the Saturday, when we all came back from a long walk, I put the left-over scones and brownies out and several women ate them and then said things like 'You're going to make me fat!' I was the biggest person there: I'm a size 18-20. I began to feel really uncomfortable about the whole situation. That evening I served the lasagnes. They were particularly good (I don't always get things right) and everyone was very complimentary. One of them, who's extra-slim, came into the kitchen when others were around and thanked me for the food and said 'It's always great to have a feeder around at events like this because then the rest of us get to eat so well.' A couple of other people picked it up and wanted to pat me on the back for being a feeder. I said that I I thought the word 'feeder' was something thin people used to put down fat people and I'd prefer them not to use it. They insisted it was a compliment.

I came home feeling angry with myself for falling into the trap of taking so much of the food provision on to be helpful, and also with the women who'd enjoyed my food but then put me in my pace by calling me a feeder. To me the word carries a lot of condescension — as if they are above providing food and as if food isn't really important and it wouldn't have mattered if no one had bothered to organise meals.

I called the organisers yesterday and told them that I wouldn't be involved in the provision or preparation of food on any subsequent trips away. I said I felt that the division of labour had been unfair. They listened and agreed that too much of the responsibility for the food had fallen on just three of us, and they agreed that some women hadn't done their fair share of work and were as p*ed off as I was about it. But they said 'feeder' is a compliment, not an insult, and implied that it's my own weight issue that has made me unduly sensitive to the word.

It's doing my head in. Am I AIBU to be agree to feed people, then told I'm a feeder and feel insulted?

OP posts:
SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 08/03/2022 16:04

I'm overweight but not massively and have been steadily losing weight for some time, so I really do take care with my calorie intake.
I call my mum and grandma feeders. They are both very slim women (way slimmer than I've ever been) but both constantly have a house full of baked cakes, sweet treats, snacks etc, none of which they ever eat. It's sort of presented to guests and you feel a pressure to eat up, and then they present something else and something else. It's constant and you end up getting frustrated and asking them to stop.

My mam thinks she is being a good host by offering large quantities of 'naughty' food but really it just makes me uncomfortable when I'm trying to lose weight.

In this situation though OP it sounds to me like the fact that you presented the first home-made 'sweet treat' and went above and beyond, then helped create a wonderful Mexican feast, then went on to present lovely home-cooked lasagnes and pasta dishes, you were very much instrumental to the eating for the event, whether you wanted that to be the case or not.

I assume that's what they meant.

anotheronenow · 08/03/2022 16:06

I am so sorry they made you feel rotten. I think the point about the word "feeder" is no matter how they intended it, you communicated that you didn't like it, and they should have apologized and not used it. Screw them! But carry on being you -- making the lovely scones and brownies for others who love and appreciate you and the food, in the caring way it is intended. Just don't make anything for that lot again.

Or... next time take a couple of delicious nice home-baked treats for yourself and eat them in front of them. Perhaps toss a packet of biscuits bought from the garage on the table for them. And comment about how you don't want to make anyone fat, or seem like you're a feeder.

Marynotsocontrary · 08/03/2022 16:07

Wow, I genuinely was not aware of negative connotations to the word feeder, especially in a sexual sense! I haven't seen any of the obesity documentaries on TV. Luckily it's not a word I use, but I always equated it with nurturing, being an earth mother type of thing.
I suppose that's a problem in itself if people use it as an excuse to get out of doing their fair share - but there's every chance this was genuinely meant as a compliment OP. There's certainly some differing opinions on this thread with regard to how it should be interpreted.

diddl · 08/03/2022 16:14

Compliment my fucking arse!

Why use a label at all?

Why not just say that you cooked generous amounts of delicious food for example?

Marynotsocontrary · 08/03/2022 16:17

Great cook would definitely have been better, but maybe they just misspoke?

123xanadu · 08/03/2022 16:19

I'd take it as a compliment!

I was labelled as a feeder years ago when I was still a size 8-10 ,I don't think size has got anything to do with it.

ThePlantsitter · 08/03/2022 16:20

It's not a compliment! And even if they thought it was - which they didn't - you saying it didn't feel like one should've made them apologise.

If you're a feeder they're doing you a favour letting you feed them aren't they.

I would be making my displeasure about doing all the fucking work on your weekend away very broadly known in the group!

crispmidnightpeace · 08/03/2022 16:31

You're more upset being called that than being taken the p*ss out of being left to clean everything?

Well fair enough, no it's not an insult. With regards to overweight people it's used for the person who has a fetish for extra flesh encouraging their overweight partner to eat until they are even more overweight.

Gwenhwyfar · 08/03/2022 16:31

@SpinningTheSeedsOfLove

'Feeder' is a shitty word to apply to someone else, and women who read books and presumably have a knowledge of how language works should know that. 'Feeder' implies either bad faith or unconsciously damaging action.

So pleased you tackled them on the unfair division of labour and the vocabulary.

No, it's a very good word for some people. If you see those 600 lb people on American TV, they can't get out of bed so there is always a feeder - someone who deliberately keeps the person in that state.

Obviously, OP is not like this so feeder was not appropriate.

It's an insult, but nothing to do with the feeder themselves being overweight. A feeder can be any size so I think OP misunderstood what they were getting at there.

Gwenhwyfar · 08/03/2022 16:33

I wonder if men ever go on holidays like this where they have to cook and clean all the time. Next time go somewhere with a restaurant.

Hawkins001 · 08/03/2022 16:38

@Queenofscones

I've name-changed for this. I'm sorry it's so long. I'm a member of a women's book group that has grown over the years to be more like a women's social group. We decided to celebrate the end of Covid regulations by renting a large self-catering house on the coast and having a long weekend of walking, talking, reading, yoga etc. There were 18 of us and the organiser asked various of us to each take responsibility for a meal. I was asked to provide scones for the afternoon we all arrived. No problem: I'm a decent home cook. Then about a week before we were due to go the organiser contacted me to say five of those attending were vegan, so could I provide something for them. I have a good vegan brownie recipe, so I added a batch of brownies to my to-do list.

Then at about three days notice the woman who was due to make Saturday night's supper went down with a cold that might have been Covid and I was asked to take over that, too, because apparently no one else was available (hmmm). She'd bought all the ingredients for veggie lasagne so I collected the ingredients from her and made and froze two big lasagnes. Then to cater for the vegans I made a separate vegan pasta dish.

I turned up early on the Friday afternoon and put out 18 scones and a dozen brownies for everyone. I knew I'd over-catered, but you never know
how much people will eat on these kind of occasions. They'd come out well and everyone enjoyed them.

That evening the woman tasked with cooking Friday night's meal got a bit overwhelmed and so I spent a couple of hours in the kitchen assisting and helped her serve up her Mexican feast (which was delicious). It became clear by Saturday that I'd been labelled the kitchen queen and also that about half the group weren't helping with the washing up or any aspect of the meals. They'd pick up a tea towel, dry a cup and then vanish, leaving what they called the 'kitchen crew' to pick up the slack.

On the Saturday, when we all came back from a long walk, I put the left-over scones and brownies out and several women ate them and then said things like 'You're going to make me fat!' I was the biggest person there: I'm a size 18-20. I began to feel really uncomfortable about the whole situation. That evening I served the lasagnes. They were particularly good (I don't always get things right) and everyone was very complimentary. One of them, who's extra-slim, came into the kitchen when others were around and thanked me for the food and said 'It's always great to have a feeder around at events like this because then the rest of us get to eat so well.' A couple of other people picked it up and wanted to pat me on the back for being a feeder. I said that I I thought the word 'feeder' was something thin people used to put down fat people and I'd prefer them not to use it. They insisted it was a compliment.

I came home feeling angry with myself for falling into the trap of taking so much of the food provision on to be helpful, and also with the women who'd enjoyed my food but then put me in my pace by calling me a feeder. To me the word carries a lot of condescension — as if they are above providing food and as if food isn't really important and it wouldn't have mattered if no one had bothered to organise meals.

I called the organisers yesterday and told them that I wouldn't be involved in the provision or preparation of food on any subsequent trips away. I said I felt that the division of labour had been unfair. They listened and agreed that too much of the responsibility for the food had fallen on just three of us, and they agreed that some women hadn't done their fair share of work and were as p*ed off as I was about it. But they said 'feeder' is a compliment, not an insult, and implied that it's my own weight issue that has made me unduly sensitive to the word.

It's doing my head in. Am I AIBU to be agree to feed people, then told I'm a feeder and feel insulted?

Based on the dictionary definition, it's a factual, statement

feeder
[ˈfiːdə]
NOUN
a person or animal that eats a particular food or in a particular manner.
a person or thing that supplies something

Hawkins001 · 08/03/2022 16:41

So basically as you were feeding everyone, it sounds like they are right, that you were the feeder, if then all, which is a factual description and textbook dictionary definition, and if they were saying thank you and how good the food was ect, I'd consider that mission accomplished.

BessieFinknottle · 08/03/2022 16:43

I have a cookbook full of delicious, healthy recipes called 'Natural Born Feeder'. I think the word means different things to different people.

Next time go somewhere with a restaurant.
That sounds like the best idea yet!

ThanksItHasPockets · 08/03/2022 16:44

YANBU and I would have been insulted too. After a very long battle with disordered eating I will literally leave the room if someone starts talking about the calories in what we are eating, or starts banging on about how fattening something is. Other people's issues of guilt and shame around food are not my problem.

SleepingStandingUp · 08/03/2022 16:44

@Marynotsocontrary

Wow, I genuinely was not aware of negative connotations to the word feeder, especially in a sexual sense! I haven't seen any of the obesity documentaries on TV. Luckily it's not a word I use, but I always equated it with nurturing, being an earth mother type of thing. I suppose that's a problem in itself if people use it as an excuse to get out of doing their fair share - but there's every chance this was genuinely meant as a compliment OP. There's certainly some differing opinions on this thread with regard to how it should be interpreted.
Given that there clearly are two ways to interpret this word, and this was used by people who'd enjoyed the food and were telling op this, I don't understand why so many people are desperate to insist it's an insult and actually ops friends /peer were actually being really horrible to her. Perhaps she should go NC and LTBs too.

You didn't like it, they should have apologised and explained and not used it again. It def is a way of absolving yourself of responsibility for eating so much and some of them are def CFs for not doing more washing up but OP is also responsible for how much SHE chose to do. None of that mean they are being intentionally offensive

Rarenamer · 08/03/2022 16:48

Feeder is a complement.

I’m thin and get called a feeder because I’m always baking/cooking for lots of people and I enjoy it.

However, the others should have washed and dried up!

Murdoch1949 · 08/03/2022 16:50

The 'feeder' term is definitely an insult. It's used for fetish men who groom women that they can feed up to be the size they want. Regarding the unfair work balance on the weekend, you were right to immediately contact the group leaders about it. There are some people who always take the piss like this, enjoying the highlights disappearing for the lowlights. You are a generous group member, went above & beyond, then got taken advantage of. Shame on these women. If they can't cook as well as you, do the washing up. I cannot understand the nerve of people like this, obviously no consciences! Continue to enjoy the group, you've made your position clear, rightly so, and the lazy mares should hold their heads in shame, they won't, entitled fools.

BloodyN0rah · 08/03/2022 16:51

I think the "kitchen crew" comment would be equally infuriating under the circumstances, like you wouldn't rather be part of the 'sat on my arse chatting and drinking nice wine crew" some of the time too.

Queenofscones · 08/03/2022 16:51

@Gwenhwyfar

I wonder if men ever go on holidays like this where they have to cook and clean all the time. Next time go somewhere with a restaurant.
Believe it or not not everyone in the group can afford to spend £200-300 for a weekend away. And that's why I like this group. Because we try to make it possible for everyone to participate. We have women on £100k+ a year and women who have been homeless and struggle to get by day-to-day.
OP posts:
Hawkins001 · 08/03/2022 16:53

@Murdoch1949

The 'feeder' term is definitely an insult. It's used for fetish men who groom women that they can feed up to be the size they want. Regarding the unfair work balance on the weekend, you were right to immediately contact the group leaders about it. There are some people who always take the piss like this, enjoying the highlights disappearing for the lowlights. You are a generous group member, went above & beyond, then got taken advantage of. Shame on these women. If they can't cook as well as you, do the washing up. I cannot understand the nerve of people like this, obviously no consciences! Continue to enjoy the group, you've made your position clear, rightly so, and the lazy mares should hold their heads in shame, they won't, entitled fools.
It may be used in that context but according to the dictionary definition, it means a person who supplied food.
SleepingStandingUp · 08/03/2022 16:54

The 'feeder' term is definitely an insult. It's used for fetish men who groom women that they can feed up to be the size they want. so do you think her peers think she has a sexual fetish about fattening up other women and is getting off on them licking scone crumbs from their lips?
Bleeive it or not, not everyone watches channel 4 documentaries. Lots of people would have heard the word and it assoc only with person who provides lots of food not "weirdo woman orgasming at the thought of me having seconds of lasagne)

Moonlightdust · 08/03/2022 16:55

Just for another take on it. Several of the mums in my village proudly refer to themselves as ‘feeders’. I think they enjoy to host and lavish people with their homemade meals and baking goods. I think for them it’s meant as a display of generosity? I don’t personally like the term myself by the way.

Gwenhwyfar · 08/03/2022 16:56

@Esspee

Feeder is a compliment. It’s a person who shows love through nurturing.
Showing love through food is not really a good thing though. So I would see it as an insult, but nothing to do with OP's own weight.
PinkSyCo · 08/03/2022 16:57

I said that I I thought the word 'feeder' was something thin people used to put down fat people and I'd prefer them not to use it.

I’m genuinely shocked by this. I’m overweight and if someone called me a feeder I’d take it to mean I was a good hostess and cook ( I’m not sadly).

Gwenhwyfar · 08/03/2022 17:00

@Dontbeme

But they said 'feeder' is a compliment, not an insult, and implied that it's my own weight issue that has made me unduly sensitive to the word

Mentioning your weight in any way tells me these people are arseholes. You sound great OP and deserve better people in your life.

But they didn't mention her weight until OP reacted badly to the word. OP has noted here that she thought it was something to do with her size so it's true that it's made her misunderstand the word.