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AIBU: asked to make scones, then called a feeder...

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Queenofscones · 08/03/2022 12:13

I've name-changed for this. I'm sorry it's so long. I'm a member of a women's book group that has grown over the years to be more like a women's social group. We decided to celebrate the end of Covid regulations by renting a large self-catering house on the coast and having a long weekend of walking, talking, reading, yoga etc. There were 18 of us and the organiser asked various of us to each take responsibility for a meal. I was asked to provide scones for the afternoon we all arrived. No problem: I'm a decent home cook. Then about a week before we were due to go the organiser contacted me to say five of those attending were vegan, so could I provide something for them. I have a good vegan brownie recipe, so I added a batch of brownies to my to-do list.

Then at about three days notice the woman who was due to make Saturday night's supper went down with a cold that might have been Covid and I was asked to take over that, too, because apparently no one else was available (hmmm). She'd bought all the ingredients for veggie lasagne so I collected the ingredients from her and made and froze two big lasagnes. Then to cater for the vegans I made a separate vegan pasta dish.

I turned up early on the Friday afternoon and put out 18 scones and a dozen brownies for everyone. I knew I'd over-catered, but you never know
how much people will eat on these kind of occasions. They'd come out well and everyone enjoyed them.

That evening the woman tasked with cooking Friday night's meal got a bit overwhelmed and so I spent a couple of hours in the kitchen assisting and helped her serve up her Mexican feast (which was delicious). It became clear by Saturday that I'd been labelled the kitchen queen and also that about half the group weren't helping with the washing up or any aspect of the meals. They'd pick up a tea towel, dry a cup and then vanish, leaving what they called the 'kitchen crew' to pick up the slack.

On the Saturday, when we all came back from a long walk, I put the left-over scones and brownies out and several women ate them and then said things like 'You're going to make me fat!' I was the biggest person there: I'm a size 18-20. I began to feel really uncomfortable about the whole situation. That evening I served the lasagnes. They were particularly good (I don't always get things right) and everyone was very complimentary. One of them, who's extra-slim, came into the kitchen when others were around and thanked me for the food and said 'It's always great to have a feeder around at events like this because then the rest of us get to eat so well.' A couple of other people picked it up and wanted to pat me on the back for being a feeder. I said that I I thought the word 'feeder' was something thin people used to put down fat people and I'd prefer them not to use it. They insisted it was a compliment.

I came home feeling angry with myself for falling into the trap of taking so much of the food provision on to be helpful, and also with the women who'd enjoyed my food but then put me in my pace by calling me a feeder. To me the word carries a lot of condescension — as if they are above providing food and as if food isn't really important and it wouldn't have mattered if no one had bothered to organise meals.

I called the organisers yesterday and told them that I wouldn't be involved in the provision or preparation of food on any subsequent trips away. I said I felt that the division of labour had been unfair. They listened and agreed that too much of the responsibility for the food had fallen on just three of us, and they agreed that some women hadn't done their fair share of work and were as p*ed off as I was about it. But they said 'feeder' is a compliment, not an insult, and implied that it's my own weight issue that has made me unduly sensitive to the word.

It's doing my head in. Am I AIBU to be agree to feed people, then told I'm a feeder and feel insulted?

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appleturnovers · 08/03/2022 13:34

@givemeallthecheese

It's brought back a hidden memory of a TV show called Fat Girls and Feeders. Where (large) women were being fed by their (generally) skinny boyfriends. The feeders were all slim and it was a bit of a kink, the large ladies were fetishised by them. So all a bit weird Anyone else remember that?!
Yes!! My aunt watched it and was so disturbed by it she told me all about it so then I watched it and was also disturbed. It's stayed in my memory for years. Weird abusive dynamic going on where the men encouraged the women to get so fat they were basically immobile and had serious health issues, all to feed the men's sexual attraction.
Isonthecase · 08/03/2022 13:34

That's interesting, I used to be called a feeder quite a lot when I was younger and very slim. I just liked baking cake and didn't have room to eat it all! Anyway, I stopped sharing when it became expected and have been much happier since. Easy trap to fall in to, just try to be less of a people pleaser and you'll feel much better. It's worth the effort!

ANameChangeAgain · 08/03/2022 13:35

I would have been insulted. If the others had owned it and acknowledged that without you the event wouldn't have been as much of a success, and you ended up carrying everyone else then fair enough. Calling you a feeder to me suggested that they are implying you forced your way into the kitchen and became a false martyr to mask the truth that they were lazy or left you to it.
Well done you for complaining. Next time though sit back and make the others do their bit.

Patienceisntvirtuous · 08/03/2022 13:39

I think people use the word 'feeder' to pass the attention or blame onto the person feeding them, in order to not appear greedy. 'I wouldn't have eaten so much but XX always is such a feeder!!' Kind of thing

That said, I don't think of it as an insult, but if you'd told them you didn't appreciate being called it, they shouldn't have continued to use it. You sound like a marvelous cook and I'm sorry you feel your efforts weren't appreciated . You're definitely right to feel aggrieved about their laziness with other food related tasks! Ps can I join you next time ? :)

MoonOnASpoon · 08/03/2022 13:41

I'm with you OP - I would hate this. (And I can totally see myself in your shoes, as I'm an efficient, get-stuff-done type and good at cooking for a group.) I would find it really rude, especially in association with other people shirking and making you out to be "kitchen crew". Fuck that!

I think there's a thing when women get together - even feminists I guess - where some women do have issues with being seen to cook, eat and/or want food. I'm not going to judge on that in itself as I know eating issues are not pleasant and have all kinds of causes. But there is a phenomenon where someone wants food / enjoys food (understandably) but then feels a need to deflect that onto the provider of the food – it's not their responsibility that they ate and enjoyed it, it's because you're a "feeder" / made irresistible food / forced food on them (even if you didn't).

Tbh I find all that food-denying performance exhausting and annoying. It's food, eat what you want and take responsibility for it. My very self-denying friend once came round and I put out some breadsticks and hummus as a snack. She started going on about how it was "naughty" and breadsticks were a guilty treat. I thought WTF, this is me being healthy! A "treat" is chocolate or cake! I just can't be arsed with it and it winds me up – but lots of otherwise perfectly nice women are like this.

Patienceisntvirtuous · 08/03/2022 13:41

Also I am grateful for this thread. I have a very close friend who I call a feeder Blush . I never thought about it, but I'm quite slim and she's very overweight. I love her to bits, and she's a fantastic cook and often posts me her biscuits and other creations and when I visit I've more chance of the queen turning up than going hungry
I never stopped to think she may find the term insulting so thank you.

incognitoforthisone · 08/03/2022 13:42

They weren't commenting on your weight in any way by calling you a 'feeder'. Honestly. They were impressed by your cooking and grateful for it.

However, it's clearly unfair that you got saddled with so much of the cooking with minimal help.

jytdtysrht · 08/03/2022 13:42

Chef would have been a compliment
Feeder - not a compliment.

I have to say that catering for 18 people is an overwhelming undertaking for many people. I would not have wanted to do that, even for one meal.

Patienceisntvirtuous · 08/03/2022 13:43

@MoonOnASpoon x post, that's what I meant but you penned it better. About being a 'feeder'.
'Ooh I never eat this much you're such a feeder!!' =it isn't my fault I'm eating so much, It's OPS!

Queenofscones · 08/03/2022 13:45

@EeeByeGummieBear

Feeder originally was a term used for people who ‘feed’ others as a way of avoiding eating themselves- as PP have said, linked with eating disorders. I view the term as an insult- as in i don’t have a normal relationship with food and have to make sure others eat as a way of managing may own uncomfortable feelings. The issue for me is that you told them you found it insulting and they didn’t find a way of complimenting you that actually made you feel appreciated. Instead they continued to use it, invalidate your feelings relating to the word, and in using it almost interpreted that they were doing you a favour by letting you do all the work in the kitchen (because as a ‘feeder’ you clearly got pleasure from it Hmm. YADNBU
Yes, yes — the implication that because I'm a 'feeder' I must love spending the weekend in the kitchen providing fattening food for everyone, so no need for them to feel guilty about not doing their bit. That's it. That's what was rankling and making me so angry.
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moreshitandnofuckingredemption · 08/03/2022 13:47

I wouldn't have liked that at all OP, either being called a feeder or having to do all the bloody work.

potniatheron · 08/03/2022 13:50

As @HerRoyalNotness has said, it's an odd choice of word and in the context you describe it OP, mega patronising. As of you were doing all that labour just because you love being a mother hen, and not because others were refusing to pitch in. I would be mega pissed off too.

I guess the bigger context is that others were not pulling their weight. I think you handled it magniciently with the organisers and it sounds like they've taken your points on board (apart from the feeder point, but I guess they weren't there to hear the comment in context). Do you have any particular confidants within the group you could also sound off to about it and get their views?

Goldenharp · 08/03/2022 13:50

I'm thin and I wouldn't be flattered. I remember some fantasy book - perhaps your group has read it - where there was a talking cat and his owner was kidnapped and the talking cat was complaining about losing his feeder. One character is a bit surprised that the cat wasn't nicer and the other characters says something like, "What did you expect, it's still a cat, it just talks." I think that sums up those women very nicely.

(I've just remembered it was Midnight Crossing by Charlaine Harris.)

Laska2Meryls · 08/03/2022 13:54

OP , You are angry about it , and youve tried calling them out and its not worked so far , now is the time to grab the bull by the horns and decide what to do about it going forward..
Do you think that you can bring it up again at the next book club?

You'll need to be firm...

Laska2Meryls · 08/03/2022 13:56

If you avoid it, they will just think it's ok..

thenewduchessoflapland · 08/03/2022 13:57

I think the real issue here is that you went away for the weekend with a bunch of lazy selfish women who deliberately left their friends to cater and clean rather than pull their own weight.

Do not get yourself into this situation again.

Next time suggest you stay in a youth hostel.You can get large rooms to share;there's usually a kitchen many have onsite catering or nearby.People can chose what they'd like to do for their own meals then

Rosehugger · 08/03/2022 13:57

It sounds like there were a group of people with food issues and hang ups/competitive slimness/competitive under-eating and a lot of people happy to let others do everything. That said in a big group you do get a diffusion of responsibility or sometimes too many cooks and it's much better to have a rota.

I would say that saying you are a feeder is a back-handed compliment- the person saying it is trying to make you feel socially inferior due to their own insecurities while getting away with saying something which might be ostensibly be nice.

Queenofscones · 08/03/2022 13:58

@MoonOnASpoon

I'm with you OP - I would hate this. (And I can totally see myself in your shoes, as I'm an efficient, get-stuff-done type and good at cooking for a group.) I would find it really rude, especially in association with other people shirking and making you out to be "kitchen crew". Fuck that!

I think there's a thing when women get together - even feminists I guess - where some women do have issues with being seen to cook, eat and/or want food. I'm not going to judge on that in itself as I know eating issues are not pleasant and have all kinds of causes. But there is a phenomenon where someone wants food / enjoys food (understandably) but then feels a need to deflect that onto the provider of the food – it's not their responsibility that they ate and enjoyed it, it's because you're a "feeder" / made irresistible food / forced food on them (even if you didn't).

Tbh I find all that food-denying performance exhausting and annoying. It's food, eat what you want and take responsibility for it. My very self-denying friend once came round and I put out some breadsticks and hummus as a snack. She started going on about how it was "naughty" and breadsticks were a guilty treat. I thought WTF, this is me being healthy! A "treat" is chocolate or cake! I just can't be arsed with it and it winds me up – but lots of otherwise perfectly nice women are like this.

Thank you, Moon. Every word of that chimed strongly with me. Yes, I'm the kind of get-things-done woman that people rely on and I recognise exactly your description of the women who cope with eating a chocolate brownie (which no one has forced them to eat) by deflecting the responsibility back on whoever supplied it.

Your post reminded me that one of the women who was most insistent that 'feeder' is a compliment had had a conversation with me at breakfast that she was 'allowing' herself to have some muesli. At the time I thought it was a bit odd that unsweetened muesli was regarded as a treat, but once you mentioned the breadsticks and hummus it came back to me.

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ScribblingPixie · 08/03/2022 13:58

Oh, it's an insult. I think it implies that, for your own reasons, you serve more carby/calorific/unhealthy food than the people offered it would normally choose to eat. It implies that their own food choices would be superior, but (back-handed compliment coming) that you're such a good cook that your food is hard to resist.

ringoutthebells · 08/03/2022 13:59

Feeder is definitely not a compliment, as others have said. I'd say at best she's used it out of context as she doesn't really get the meaning, at worst she was implying that you were trying to fatten them up. Certainly not something I'd say to someone overweight (well I wouldn't say it to anyone, particularly in those circumstances, but particularly anyone overweight). I agree it's good you pulled her up, your reaction after the event does sound a touch childish / OTT, but is understandable nonetheless. I think she was probably rude. The others, I think you're best placed to decide.

Rosehugger · 08/03/2022 14:01

Also as someone else said I think 18 is just too big a group to cater for, it's overwhelming. Not many places would have large enough pans/cooking facilities for all the food. A third of that number would be fine.

HeadingForHome · 08/03/2022 14:02

You sound lovely and your food sounds amazing. I can't believe you catered for 18 including vegans, and sounds like you did most of the washing up etc. Please can you come on holiday with me, vegetarian lasagne and homemade scones are basically my two favourite things in the world Grin

We call my dad a feeder, he is always in the kitchen baking, cooking, sorting everyone's good and drink, he can't stand people not being fed and watered constantly. He slips the kids chocolate buttons between meals, he bakes scones with them etc. We call him the feeder but the difference is it's done affectionately and he laughs, he revels in the role of mother hen/provider.

You've been clear you didn't like it and although it may not have been badly intentioned you're entitled to feel put out, for various reasons! I hope it hasn't put too much of a dampener on things.

Laska2Meryls · 08/03/2022 14:04

@ringoutthebells

Feeder is definitely not a compliment, as others have said. I'd say at best she's used it out of context as she doesn't really get the meaning, at worst she was implying that you were trying to fatten them up. Certainly not something I'd say to someone overweight (well I wouldn't say it to anyone, particularly in those circumstances, but particularly anyone overweight). I agree it's good you pulled her up, your reaction after the event does sound a touch childish / OTT, but is understandable nonetheless. I think she was probably rude. The others, I think you're best placed to decide.
Why is it childish OTT to be upset?
Laska2Meryls · 08/03/2022 14:05

If you feel you have been insulted?

xprincessxjanetx · 08/03/2022 14:09

Perspective I think. I'm a size 24 and I love cooking and the term would be a compliment to me but I understand that's not the case for everyone.