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AIBU: asked to make scones, then called a feeder...

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Queenofscones · 08/03/2022 12:13

I've name-changed for this. I'm sorry it's so long. I'm a member of a women's book group that has grown over the years to be more like a women's social group. We decided to celebrate the end of Covid regulations by renting a large self-catering house on the coast and having a long weekend of walking, talking, reading, yoga etc. There were 18 of us and the organiser asked various of us to each take responsibility for a meal. I was asked to provide scones for the afternoon we all arrived. No problem: I'm a decent home cook. Then about a week before we were due to go the organiser contacted me to say five of those attending were vegan, so could I provide something for them. I have a good vegan brownie recipe, so I added a batch of brownies to my to-do list.

Then at about three days notice the woman who was due to make Saturday night's supper went down with a cold that might have been Covid and I was asked to take over that, too, because apparently no one else was available (hmmm). She'd bought all the ingredients for veggie lasagne so I collected the ingredients from her and made and froze two big lasagnes. Then to cater for the vegans I made a separate vegan pasta dish.

I turned up early on the Friday afternoon and put out 18 scones and a dozen brownies for everyone. I knew I'd over-catered, but you never know
how much people will eat on these kind of occasions. They'd come out well and everyone enjoyed them.

That evening the woman tasked with cooking Friday night's meal got a bit overwhelmed and so I spent a couple of hours in the kitchen assisting and helped her serve up her Mexican feast (which was delicious). It became clear by Saturday that I'd been labelled the kitchen queen and also that about half the group weren't helping with the washing up or any aspect of the meals. They'd pick up a tea towel, dry a cup and then vanish, leaving what they called the 'kitchen crew' to pick up the slack.

On the Saturday, when we all came back from a long walk, I put the left-over scones and brownies out and several women ate them and then said things like 'You're going to make me fat!' I was the biggest person there: I'm a size 18-20. I began to feel really uncomfortable about the whole situation. That evening I served the lasagnes. They were particularly good (I don't always get things right) and everyone was very complimentary. One of them, who's extra-slim, came into the kitchen when others were around and thanked me for the food and said 'It's always great to have a feeder around at events like this because then the rest of us get to eat so well.' A couple of other people picked it up and wanted to pat me on the back for being a feeder. I said that I I thought the word 'feeder' was something thin people used to put down fat people and I'd prefer them not to use it. They insisted it was a compliment.

I came home feeling angry with myself for falling into the trap of taking so much of the food provision on to be helpful, and also with the women who'd enjoyed my food but then put me in my pace by calling me a feeder. To me the word carries a lot of condescension — as if they are above providing food and as if food isn't really important and it wouldn't have mattered if no one had bothered to organise meals.

I called the organisers yesterday and told them that I wouldn't be involved in the provision or preparation of food on any subsequent trips away. I said I felt that the division of labour had been unfair. They listened and agreed that too much of the responsibility for the food had fallen on just three of us, and they agreed that some women hadn't done their fair share of work and were as p*ed off as I was about it. But they said 'feeder' is a compliment, not an insult, and implied that it's my own weight issue that has made me unduly sensitive to the word.

It's doing my head in. Am I AIBU to be agree to feed people, then told I'm a feeder and feel insulted?

OP posts:
Nogardenersworld · 08/03/2022 12:33

I think feeder can be an insult or a compliment
However I think it’s mostly used when people want to eat, but don’t want to be at ‘fault’ so they say someone else is a feeder and it takes the responsibility (and guilt) from them, like they couldn’t help it.

In your case it also takes away the guilt of not helping out. Queenofscones loves cooking, she loves being in the kitchen, she probably even loves washing up. It’s definitely nothing to do with me being lazy, or taking advantage, I’m just leaving her to get on with what she loves. Because she’s a feeder.

I’d judge them for being a bit pathetic but I think it’s a comment completely on them and not you.

appleturnovers · 08/03/2022 12:34

*I get your point. When we talk about "she's a feeder" there's this thing about someone really fat and them having someone who enables that and makes them fatter by constantly supplying food which is a bad thing as it makes them more and more obese

But there's a friendlier interpretation which I guess in other iterations would be the mother hen or similar, the one who looks after and cares for people. The one who makes sure there's enough for every one and no one goes without. This is what they mean. Even the comment about "making us fat" is "you're food is so good I can't resist it" not "you're force feeding us".*

100% this comment. It sounds like they meant it in a nice way.
Now, the real issue is that it's not actually true, because you didn't volunteer to be in that position, you were just sort of nudged into it and stepped up when no one else would, so it sounds like it rankles because you don't really identify with either of the two interpretations of the word. But it sounds like the woman who made the "feeder" comment didn't necessarily know that, she was just going by what she saw: that you'd cooked loads of delicious food.

It is good though that you've made your position clear on not wanting to be the group cook next time.

SleepingStandingUp · 08/03/2022 12:34

@NowEvenBetter

How is it a compliment? Do you call chefs ‘feeders’? Surely you must, to compliment them 🥴
Chefs are different in that you're paying them for their food, not kindly bringing loads of yummy food they can hel ghemselves to. Its a false equivalent.

Op I do hope you haven't shouldered all the costs

WellyoucantellbythewayI · 08/03/2022 12:35

I’ve never understood it when people are seemingly proud of not being able to cook.

If you this - It doesn’t make you sound far too interesting/clever/spoilt to be domesticated. It just makes you sound a bit dim, impractical & lazy.

I’m sorry she was arrogant and ungrateful enough to say that to you OP. Being practical, calm & talented is something to aspire to, having a certain body type isn’t.

Laska2Meryls · 08/03/2022 12:36

Its snide and insulting.. next time ( but I wouldn't go again with people who treated me like that). Id give them beans on toast ..

MedusasBadHairDay · 08/03/2022 12:36

@Nogardenersworld

I think feeder can be an insult or a compliment However I think it’s mostly used when people want to eat, but don’t want to be at ‘fault’ so they say someone else is a feeder and it takes the responsibility (and guilt) from them, like they couldn’t help it.

In your case it also takes away the guilt of not helping out. Queenofscones loves cooking, she loves being in the kitchen, she probably even loves washing up. It’s definitely nothing to do with me being lazy, or taking advantage, I’m just leaving her to get on with what she loves. Because she’s a feeder.

I’d judge them for being a bit pathetic but I think it’s a comment completely on them and not you.

I think this makes a lot of sense
Queenofscones · 08/03/2022 12:37

SleepingStandingUp,
But there's a friendlier interpretation which I guess in other iterations would be the mother hen or similar, the one who looks after and cares for people. The one who makes sure there's enough for every one and no one goes without. This is what they mean.

But this is a group of adult women, many of us mothers, all of us feminists, who go away together partly (in many cases) to get away from having to be 'the mother hen' at home. Being the mother hen is not a role I want. I've done that, I've had enough of it.

I'm finding it hard to articulate my feelings, but basically why does the fact that a woman can, if required, knock out a batch of scones or a lasagne mean that she is seen as the mothering type? That's not feminist, is it?

As someone said upthread, men cook and they're chefs and they're not seen in some parental/ nurturing role. I do think you're right in that we divided as a group into the responsible 'mothers' who got on with the domestic work and the 'naughty teenagers' who snuck out of responsibility.

I think I'm going to have to try and find a book that covers this subject and get them to read it. Also interested in how many people definitely feel 'feeder' is a compliment. Use it with care. Next time you might get a clout with a saucepan!

OP posts:
tigerbird · 08/03/2022 12:39

Wtf? It’s most definitely not a compliment — I can only think that loads of people on this thread just aren’t familiar with the word. It’s used to mean: someone who overfeeds other people to make them fat, for their own psychological reasons. Often directed at overweight women with the implication that they’re obsessed with food and want to make other people fat too! (And other nastier uses in porn). It is most definitely a put down!

I would be really pissed off by that, OP, as it come across as a really rude and dismissive thing to say. The best I can suggest is that the people who were using it and your group leaders didn’t actually realise the full negative connotations. I would be fucking furious and wouldn’t be cooking for any of them again. You did a lot of work for them and got some kind of dusty put down back rather than the appreciation you should have had. (And the put-downers are also clearly jealous that you’re such a good cook, too.)

Jumpingintomenopause · 08/03/2022 12:40

I really dislike the term feeder.

moose62 · 08/03/2022 12:41

I would take it as an insult... a feeder is usually someone who forces food on others to make them fat or fatter. They are usually seen on obesity documentaries. I wouldn't cook for them again!

SleepingStandingUp · 08/03/2022 12:43

See I think that's why they used feeder, so it wasn't a "mommy" type word. Clumsy and it upset you so they should have apologised but I think these things do degenerate into "grown ups and teens" easily. At my voluntary stuff, it isn't a sexist split, it's just consistently the end people. One of those usually sorting the dishwasher is a man in his 70s with no kids but he's a practical "stop mothering and let's get it done sort".

However unless you think their duplicitous I'd accept thy INTENDED to pay you a compliment and take the compliment. You were very kind to take on so much work and you're clearly a good cook to make such nice food.

Marynotsocontrary · 08/03/2022 12:43

I don't think feeder was meant as an insult. My SIL is a fantastic cook, a foodie, hosts wonderful dinner parties to family and friends, and self-describes as a feeder. I don't think of the term as a negative one at all. Obviously, from reading this thread, it can be interpreted differently though.

The division of labour sounds very unfair.

Dontbeme · 08/03/2022 12:44

But they said 'feeder' is a compliment, not an insult, and implied that it's my own weight issue that has made me unduly sensitive to the word

Mentioning your weight in any way tells me these people are arseholes. You sound great OP and deserve better people in your life.

Polyanthus2 · 08/03/2022 12:44

I do think you're right in that we divided as a group into the responsible 'mothers' who got on with the domestic work and the 'naughty teenagers' who snuck out of responsibility.

I don't think that it will change next time. You can't make lazy people suddenly active, you can't make people do stuff.

All you can change is your action and next time something comes up either do no cooking or volunteer right at the start for the thing you are happy and can easily cook.

Muststopeating · 08/03/2022 12:45

Well this thread has been eye opening. I would describe myself as a feeder and I get it from my mother.

But I am a feeder in that there is always lots of home cooked food at my gatherings/parties and I'm quite well known for it. I enjoy feeding people food that they enjoy.

For what its worth I'm a size 8/10 and have friends and family of all shapes and sizes. It has never occurred to me to feed (by which I mean offer food) any of them more or less.

I had absolutely no idea the expression could be insulting.

Would I bollacks have been feeding them all weekend AND cleaning up after them. Not a chance. (I cook, I don't wash up).

GenevaJoey · 08/03/2022 12:45

I would also feel very insulted if someone was to call me "a feeder". It's a backhanded compliment at best, and worst really quite bitchy.

Campervangirl · 08/03/2022 12:46

I got nicknamed the feeder at my old job, I was always bringing food in but I only fed the people I liked 😂
I feed people because I'm a people pleaser and want others to be happy, food makes most people happy.
I'd take it as a compliment.
You can cook for me any time, the food sounds delicious.
I'd be annoyed if the others didn't help with the prep or clean down though, it's an unwritten rule that the cooks don't wash up

DoingAway · 08/03/2022 12:46

They have food issues which they are trying to project onto you. I think it’s good that you stood up for yourself

JustLyra · 08/03/2022 12:48

Tbh even if they meant it as a compliment (I would have been insulted as well) as soon as you said you found it insulting they should have stopped using it.

They sound like a right bunch of rude fuckers - insulting you repeatedly, not pulling their weight with the washing up.

What was their contribution to the weekend? The cost of cooking and baking for that many isn’t cheap so did they bring anything to put in as well or not?

KittenKong · 08/03/2022 12:49

People take advantage - especially when someone is a good cook. I think it was a supposed compliment that came out really wrong.

Feeder is the word used for an abusive partner who basically encourages their other half to over eat to cause weight gain (I guess because they like them overweight or don’t want anyone else to fancy them). It’s like when I was going and a friend commented on how I looked anorexic - he genuinely thought that this was the same as saying that I was slim (not anorexic, just lanky and skinny).

So I’m sure it wasn’t meant as an insult (just a poor joke) as no one would want you to stop providing all the food.

So tell the organisers from me ‘it’s definitely THEM and not the OP’

chillied · 08/03/2022 12:50

You definitely need to completely sit on your hands next time OP.

Polyanthus2 · 08/03/2022 12:52

Feeding could be getting 10 pizzas sticking them in the oven and serving them up.
Cooking is something else which requires some experience and knowledge.

KateTheEighth · 08/03/2022 12:56

Calling someone a feeder is a way of blaming them for your own guilt at having eaten too much

I hate the word

They should take responsibility for what they put in their mouths, not try to blame you. Particularly when you have done so much to help

Procrastination4 · 08/03/2022 12:56

I don’t think that you’re unreasonable to be offended. It sounds as though you worked really hard and mucked in wherever you could, in addition to preparing a meal that originally had been someone else’s remit. If I were complimenting someone on their food, I’d either say that s/he was a fabulous cook or that the food was fantastic. The term “feeder” would certainly not be the word I’d chose, as it has negative connotations in my book. Be proud that you made your feelings known and, if there’s another such outing organised, make sure that, this time, YOU’RE the one to put your feet up (or your runners on, and out the door for long, peaceful, appetite boosting walks!Wink).

knittingaddict · 08/03/2022 12:57

@hanahsaunt

Definitely a compliment!
Rubbish. It has LOTS of negative connotations attached to it. I would be insulted too and I think the op has a good understanding of what when on during that weekend. Well done on your firm boundaries op.