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I need to speak to them, don’t I?

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JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 11:05

DD is just turned 18. She’s been with her boyfriend a year.

Before Christmas she basically lived at his for about three months and only came home briefly once a week or so, to fetch things. She did spend Christmas Day with us but couldn’t wait to go back to his house. She spent the whole day telling us how much better and nicer his parents are than us, better food, nicer house, better Xmas tree ffs. We’ve tried really hard to not rise to this btw.

She’s been spending much more time at home since the start of the year, which has been lovely, and I gave her a job at the restaurant I manage.

She constantly asks me and DH for lifts and money. Constantly. It’s a running joke that I’ll say ‘money or a lift?’ to whoever’s next to me before answering the phone to her and it is ALWAYS one or the other. We pay for an open bus pass for her btw and she still gets £20 pocket money a month on top of about £200 pt wage (pocket money is to match what we give 10yo DS because she said it was unfair).

So this is all background. Yesterday she was meant to be working until midnight. She usually gets a lift home with me, or a colleague, or the boyfriend but none of us were finishing at the same time. The last bus home was 11.15.

I said that was absolutely fine, and changed her hours to finish at 11pm.

She then said to DH that she couldn’t (as in she’d asked me and I’d said no) leave work early and he’d have to pick her up at midnight. The lie fell apart as soon as I got home, obviously, and I told her she’d be leaving at 11pm and getting the bus home. She said ok.

Her boyfriend’s mother drove her home.

She had phoned this woman and told her we’d left her stranded in town with no way of getting home. So she’d driven a half hour round trip to pick the poor stranded child up and take her home.

DD was quite proud to tell us this. ‘X cares about my safety and didn’t want me getting a late bus home’. I cannot get my head round DD phoning this woman, lying to her about the situation. And being quite happy for her to come out late at night to take her home to save herself a fifteen fucking minute bus ride.

I get the impression she has told BFs parents we are basically starving and stranding her. We’ve never met them despite asking.

I don’t have any contact details for them but I do know the house (having dropped DD there countless times despite being an awful parent who never gives lifts). I feel like I need to tell them that we are not the abusive neglectful parents DD is making out!

She is always asking for money for lunch, a big bugbear of mine, when we have a house full of food. I’m pretty sure she makes out to his parents that we starve her. I’m just not giving her a fiver a day for lunch at college. And I often find out they’ve picked her up from college or they drop her home, it’s all walkable and she has an open (expensive!) bus pass.

Should I talk to them? Or do I need to get over this and let her manipulate them into parenting her?

It also doesn’t feel great that DD is happy to lie and manipulate like this but I don’t know how to get through to her.

OP posts:
Mojomarvel · 07/03/2022 20:44

It sounds like you’ve given in for too long for an easier life, it has to stop somewhere. It’s great you pay for phone and travel etc. Clothes, she can buy herself. I think what I’d do is pop DD’s weekly allowance in an envelope for the BF’s parents as a contribution to her upkeep/ fuel. You should only need to do it once, explain that you’re paying for mobile and bus pass etc. Better to give them the money than DD. It might just shock DD enough to look at her behaviour

LovelyIssues · 07/03/2022 20:46

I have no advice to OP as have never dealt with this situation.... but stick to your guns. She sounds a bit of a madam. And unfortunately sounds as if her BF parents are pandering to that Sad teenagers can be tough hey Flowers

WhackusBonkus · 07/03/2022 20:55

@JanetPluchinsky

I don’t have any contact details for the parents. And turning up on the doorstep feels a bit much.

They quite avoid-y. I’ve seen them when I’ve dropped her off if they’ve been outside but every time they’ve disappeared off indoors. And I’ve told DD I want to meet them but she either hasn’t passed that on or their not interested.

Could you not look them up on social media and send a private message asking to meet for coffee?
Mirw · 07/03/2022 20:57

Stop giving her the extra money/bus pass etc. Then see how hard gone to she is. If you don't say no, she will carry on. She is ungrateful so treat her that way!! It doesn't matter what the BF's parents think. They will soon get the message when she is needing lifts every night and they have to feed her every day.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 07/03/2022 21:00

Unless the BF's parents are idiots, they will see through your DD before long. Or maybe they get a buzz out of being on her side against you? Either way, I would leave them to it, given that she is 18 - it would be different if she were younger.

Be careful about pandering to her, and the message you are sending to your other DC about how to get your attention.

BanditoShipman · 07/03/2022 21:00

I don’t understand all the posts re not giving her pocket money as she is 18? My dd is 17 and doing a levels, will be 18 when in her second year and she gets a £200 a month allowance. We pay for all her food at home, her phone, all travel to school, but if she wants take out at school (rather than packed lunch) she has to buy it out of her own money.

She has to pay for travel to friends/town but usually one of us would give her a lift if we’re around. There’s no way I’d let her get a bus at night on her own. If I knew one of her friends was getting a bus at that time of night I’d go and pick them up too.

I thought it was normal that dc doing a levels got pocket money/allowance. All my friends dc do.

Dd hasn’t got a job, we’d rather she concentrated on her a levels. If she did get a job we wouldn’t take her allowance off her as surely that would be penalising her getting a job?

BanditoShipman · 07/03/2022 21:01

Also REALLY weird that she practically lived with them and youve never spoken to them!!

WhackusBonkus · 07/03/2022 21:01

The other thing I wanted to add was my DD (now 23) was similar for a long time. I had over compensated for years for feeing guilty that she was the middle child, only girl, boys have/had health/special needs. I was at least partly to blame for the behaviours because I felt guilty and didn’t act in any way that made her feel she needed to respect me.

She’s now 23.. still living at home but works full time in a good job. She contributes to the household monthly at an agreed amount and we are much much closer these days and other than the odd blip (because I, as her mother, am her emotional buffer zone) she is kind and caring. I’m proud of her.

At one time she was pretty much like your daughter so I wanted to let you know that there is hope. There’s a world of difference between 18 and 23

Jaxxy · 07/03/2022 21:02

Feel your pain OP, we all want our children to turn out to be nice, caring people so manipulation and lack of gratitude is tough. Similar to others, I would stop the pocket money, stop giving her ad- hoc money, only give lifts when it’s not inconvenient or you genuinely think it’s unsafe for her.

Ignore her wind up and antagonistic approach, she is manipulating you which you have clocked, her BF parents are also adults and will realise they are being gamed….

Is there a reason when she is now spending less time there, shine worn off somewhere dyt?

Finally, you could drop her off, park up, get out and go introduce yourself and ‘thank’ them for being so caring to her and somehow get into that convo that there is really no need, you are arranging alternatives, and there may be two sides…..daughter will be mortified but it will nip some of this in the bud.

Wishing you luck…..

dfendyr · 07/03/2022 21:02

@OhMygodddd

And by the way she isn’t proud of this, that her partners mum cares more about her, or that she even had to call her in the first place, she’s probably really ashamed!! You could have done better really, at 18 we’re supposed to be adults and don’t like to admit to our parents we’re actually a bit scared to get a bus back by ourselves late at night….hence why she decided to lie…because she was desperate….been there, done it. I rarely talk to my mum now, she just doesn’t really care about me and now I don’t care too.
Oh for goodness sake, have you even read the op posts???
WhackusBonkus · 07/03/2022 21:03

@BanditoShipman

I don’t understand all the posts re not giving her pocket money as she is 18? My dd is 17 and doing a levels, will be 18 when in her second year and she gets a £200 a month allowance. We pay for all her food at home, her phone, all travel to school, but if she wants take out at school (rather than packed lunch) she has to buy it out of her own money.

She has to pay for travel to friends/town but usually one of us would give her a lift if we’re around. There’s no way I’d let her get a bus at night on her own. If I knew one of her friends was getting a bus at that time of night I’d go and pick them up too.

I thought it was normal that dc doing a levels got pocket money/allowance. All my friends dc do.

Dd hasn’t got a job, we’d rather she concentrated on her a levels. If she did get a job we wouldn’t take her allowance off her as surely that would be penalising her getting a job?

You’ve said it @BanditoShipman.. your DD isn’t earning. OP’s DD is THAT’s her spending money
amusedbush · 07/03/2022 21:08

From what you've said, she doesn't sound autistic. I am autistic and I have ADHD, and I am very involved with autistic people in various capacities (friends, family, support groups, youth work, local council initiatives, etc) and while autism presents differently across the board, what you describe does not sound typical at all. It sounds more like a personality disorder than a neurotype, such as Borderline or Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I've personally never met a ND person so calculating and manipulative.

She’s made herself look pretty unemployable with multiple facial piercings and wild coloured hair, which I did try to explain to her when she kept getting knocked back.

Also, about this - I have had facial piercings and hair every colour and cut you can imagine since I was 16. When I was about 20 I started getting tattoos and I am now very heavily tattooed - large, colourful, neotraditional pieces. I haven't been unemployed a day since my first Sunday job at 14 years old and I have worked in hospitality, retail, financial services, local government and I'm now a university lecturer. I promise you, it's not a given that she was struggling to find a job because of her piercings...!

Rachellow · 07/03/2022 21:12

I’ve got a similar aged daughter in sixth form. Our deal is we pay for uniform, school bus, phone, some clothes and after school clubs. We also paid for prom dress etc. She’s been getting £25/month since she was 14 and that’s for all socialising. She got a waitress job at 16 when the socialising got more expensive. Any mates holidays, she needs to pay for. Personally I would pick her up at 11pm but do ask her to try and organise lifts with colleagues/mates. We did pay for 10 driving lessons but she wasn’t ready.

BanditoShipman · 07/03/2022 21:15

@WhackusBonkus I understand that, but if she was earning we wouldn’t take every pound she was earning off what we then gave her as an allowance. Wouldn’t be an incentive to work.

Rachellow · 07/03/2022 21:15

Would add I don’t understand why pocket money stops when they get a job. I was proud mine had the get up and go to contact different companies and get their first jobs. You don’t want to punish that by taking money away especially as they’re working for about £6/hr.

LadyNell · 07/03/2022 21:20

I was working in London at 16 getting trains and coaches at all hours on my own, my parents never paid for me I had to give them housekeeping Ashwell. She needs a kick up the arse

LadyNell · 07/03/2022 21:21

As well

LowlandLucky · 07/03/2022 21:26

Your Daughter is an adult so why are you still giving her pocket money ? She treats you so poorly because you allow it by treating her like a spoiled child.

Nocutenamesleft · 07/03/2022 21:33

Cor. When I was 18. I was paying £250 a month for rent each two weeks!

I had to also buy everything. Driving lessons. Car. Clothes. Food. I didn’t get anything for free

I remember I paid the most out of all my friends to my mum. I thought at the time it was quite unfair. But I didn’t begrudge it at all. My mum needed it more than me.

It actually taught me a really valuable lesson in the end

I think you’re doing more than enough and I’d defo go and have a word with them.

Woollystockings · 07/03/2022 21:37

Cor. When I was 18. I was paying £250 a month for rent each two weeks!

When you were still at school doing your A levels?

skodadoda · 07/03/2022 21:50

We don’t get CB because she left college, I haven’t bothered reapplying because DH has to pay it back anyway

You should apply for CB as it protects your right to a pension even if DH does have to pay it back.

Lovely13 · 07/03/2022 22:02

I had similar tricky teenager for different reasons. Gambling, fighting, drinking etc. Endless trauma, To cut long story short, tough love was only way. Went to live ex in small flat. Realised needed to up game. Now happy, bought a flat, passed masters, partner, good job etc. We love each other again! Don’t give up on her, but set boundaries they must not cross. She will thank you in the end. All good luck to you both.

Jack80 · 07/03/2022 22:58

I would speak to bf parents either face to face or by letter

RaeRae84 · 07/03/2022 23:04

Not read all the posts but I've read some and I think it's ludicrous that people say about giving her more money!!
I worked from 14 and never had pocket money. Like you my parents provided food at home for us to take to lunch, they didn't give us money for it. I'm in my 30s so not ancient and I didn't have poor parents.
I think a lot of younger people do not live in the real world and expect far too much to be given to them in life.

LimaCharlieHotelPapa · 07/03/2022 23:08

I'm really sorry but she sounds like a very selfish and spoilt person and I don't think age is an excuse, I think she's old enough to know better and to act better.

I personally would say that the wage she is earning is sufficient for her to buy her own bus pass and not have extra pocket money from you - certainly at least not at the moment whilst she's behaving so badly. I'd also not be giving her handouts or lifts anymore. I was getting the bus at that age at all hours and lived in London, I think its a case that's she's grown too accustomed to her personal taxi services.

She expresses no appreciation for what you do for her and what you provide, plus she lies about it and her circumstances and wholeheartedly takes it for granted. She clearly doesn't even appreciate the job you've given her - something that most youngsters have to jump through hoops to get that's also fallen in her lap.

I really feel for you because she has some hard lessons to learn that will be very tough for you to go through as well, but I personally think she needs a very hard wake up call and soon.

I wouldn't worry about the boyfriend's parents tbh, if you back off they'll soon see through the lies because her behaviour will shine through.

I really hope things improve for you Flowers

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