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I need to speak to them, don’t I?

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JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 11:05

DD is just turned 18. She’s been with her boyfriend a year.

Before Christmas she basically lived at his for about three months and only came home briefly once a week or so, to fetch things. She did spend Christmas Day with us but couldn’t wait to go back to his house. She spent the whole day telling us how much better and nicer his parents are than us, better food, nicer house, better Xmas tree ffs. We’ve tried really hard to not rise to this btw.

She’s been spending much more time at home since the start of the year, which has been lovely, and I gave her a job at the restaurant I manage.

She constantly asks me and DH for lifts and money. Constantly. It’s a running joke that I’ll say ‘money or a lift?’ to whoever’s next to me before answering the phone to her and it is ALWAYS one or the other. We pay for an open bus pass for her btw and she still gets £20 pocket money a month on top of about £200 pt wage (pocket money is to match what we give 10yo DS because she said it was unfair).

So this is all background. Yesterday she was meant to be working until midnight. She usually gets a lift home with me, or a colleague, or the boyfriend but none of us were finishing at the same time. The last bus home was 11.15.

I said that was absolutely fine, and changed her hours to finish at 11pm.

She then said to DH that she couldn’t (as in she’d asked me and I’d said no) leave work early and he’d have to pick her up at midnight. The lie fell apart as soon as I got home, obviously, and I told her she’d be leaving at 11pm and getting the bus home. She said ok.

Her boyfriend’s mother drove her home.

She had phoned this woman and told her we’d left her stranded in town with no way of getting home. So she’d driven a half hour round trip to pick the poor stranded child up and take her home.

DD was quite proud to tell us this. ‘X cares about my safety and didn’t want me getting a late bus home’. I cannot get my head round DD phoning this woman, lying to her about the situation. And being quite happy for her to come out late at night to take her home to save herself a fifteen fucking minute bus ride.

I get the impression she has told BFs parents we are basically starving and stranding her. We’ve never met them despite asking.

I don’t have any contact details for them but I do know the house (having dropped DD there countless times despite being an awful parent who never gives lifts). I feel like I need to tell them that we are not the abusive neglectful parents DD is making out!

She is always asking for money for lunch, a big bugbear of mine, when we have a house full of food. I’m pretty sure she makes out to his parents that we starve her. I’m just not giving her a fiver a day for lunch at college. And I often find out they’ve picked her up from college or they drop her home, it’s all walkable and she has an open (expensive!) bus pass.

Should I talk to them? Or do I need to get over this and let her manipulate them into parenting her?

It also doesn’t feel great that DD is happy to lie and manipulate like this but I don’t know how to get through to her.

OP posts:
burnthur5t · 06/03/2022 23:17

An 18 year old is being given pocket money still, that's embarrassing

Why doesn't she drive?

Sounds like you're being used and abused and being taken for a ride

HollowTalk · 06/03/2022 23:21

It was natural you would want to spoil her, given your own background. Don't beat yourself up over this but hold firm when you deal with her. Point out things like the Christmas present inequality. Keep pointing out that she's 18 now and you are not her servant. More to the point, when she is guilt tripping you, don't take any notice. She's trying to regain control. If she is demanding lifts and money then don't refuse and spend all night worrying about it. That's pointless. Just say e.g. no sorry I'll be in bed then. Keep pointing out that she has a bus pass. You have been very very kind to her and it has backfired but that's not to say all is lost. It sounds like she has a few lessons to learn.

cdba88 · 06/03/2022 23:30

Stop doing everything you're currently doing for her. Simple

PoshPyjamas · 07/03/2022 00:37

Her ‘love languages’ are gifts and acts of service

So you're saying that she shows love to others by buying them thoughtful gifts and making acts of service for them?

No. I thought not.

JanetPluchinsky · 07/03/2022 00:39

Yeah that was therapy woo from a few years ago. Whatafuckingmug. It did make sense at the time though. She hates you because you’re not showing enough of her love language.

OP posts:
Justilou1 · 07/03/2022 04:39

You know what? You’re not a failure as a mum. You’ve seen that something really isn’t working and you’re willing to do what it takes to change the dynamic before it’s too late. (It really isn’t…) I consider this a sign of a genuinely caring, loving mum who is adult enough to accept responsibility for her mistakes and be accountable for them. I know you’re aware that writing DD’s behaviour off as “just her personality” is the easier way out, but it’s not the right thing to do for either of you. If you didn’t care, you’d just say that she’d always been like this and wash your hands of her. I think you sound overwhelmed, but amazing.
This is coming from someone who has also been over-therapied and is frankly, sick and tired of empty words and jargon. I had a horrible mum who treated me violently, humiliated me at every opportunity or on a good day, with complete and utter disdain. She also left me in a very dangerous situation where terrible things happened to me. She remained a spiteful, hateful “victim” until her dying breath. I would have given anything for a mum who cared even a little bit. I look at my three kids and can’t possibly imagine what was going through her head…. You ARE a good mum.

SunshineCake1 · 07/03/2022 07:03

Everyone parents as a result of their own childhood. It is either replicated or or the complete opposite.

I have two sons and a middle daughter and she is so different from the boys. I look back now and see the mistakes I made as a direct result of my abusive and unhappy childhood but the children haven't all turned out the same. It isn't 100% on us how our kids turn out. They are their own people and make their own choices too.

I would tell her how much you love her, that her taking you for granted is upsetting and that the extra money, the pocket money, and the demands for lifts will not be continuing and that she needs to learn appreciation and respect.

GabriellaMontez · 07/03/2022 08:37

A reset is a great idea.

There are loads of good suggestions here for how you could do this. She has plenty of money. She can afford taxis and lunches. Or take packed lunches.

Id add some responsibilities she's expected to fulfil at home if the pocket money is to continue. Eg babysitting. Or other contribution to the household.

simbobs · 07/03/2022 09:00

Don't beat yourself up. Another DC would behave entirely differently given the same set of circumstances. Children are not just the product of nurture. A reset sounds good, and I wish you all the luck with it. I'm sure many of us will be wondering how things turn out. Good luck.

BronwenFrideswide · 07/03/2022 09:17

@JanetPluchinsky

Yeah that was therapy woo from a few years ago. Whatafuckingmug. It did make sense at the time though. She hates you because you’re not showing enough of her love language.
What appalling advice telling you you need to buy your daughter's love otherwise she will hate you, that therapist should be struck off.

As you have discovered that is being used as a weapon against you and no matter what you buy or what service you provide at your daughter's behest it will never be enough, the scale of the demands will just keep increasing.

You definitely need to reset, you need boundaries and you are allowed boundaries too you know.

Brefugee · 07/03/2022 09:22

you give her 20 quid a week and top up with other money and lifts? fuck that shit.

She, presumably got pocket money in the years before she had a job. Now it is your son's turn. If you give him pocket money until he's 18, will you still be giving her pocket money when she's 28? give your collective heads a wobble.
She should be paying for board, really, but i guess you might not want to charge her. But stop giving her lifts and money. And it would be better if she got a job elsewhere, since presumably someone else had to cover her shift to midnight?

Woollystockings · 07/03/2022 09:31

She should be paying for board, really,
No, she shouldn’t. I have never heard of a young person at school doing their A levels paying their parents board.

GabriellaMontez · 07/03/2022 09:45

@Woollystockings

She should be paying for board, really, No, she shouldn’t. I have never heard of a young person at school doing their A levels paying their parents board.
Me neither. I've never heard of a sixth form student paying rent while in full time education.
Brefugee · 07/03/2022 09:49

I did. But it's not necessary as i said immediately after.

OP, it sounds really rough. Don't bother about the bf's parents at all. you know that you provide everything your DD needs, that is what matters.

The way forward is to get a calendar and write everything down that you do for her, for your younger DS, for your DH and for you. And when she moans you do nothing for her, point out that your DH gave her a lift somewhere yesterday. (well you don't have to, that's what I'd do, colour coded in my google calender so it is immediately obvious)

20 quid is really neither here nor there so if you can afford it, why not keep up the pocket money then? As for the link to the jeans: you could either ignore it, or say "that's 2 evenings front of house", i can give you shifts on x and y dates. Would that work?

As for the bus thing. I don't think it's any less safe now? You could check local crime statistics? or give her the option: stay until midnight and get a lift, or leave at 11 and get the bus? make her choose.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/03/2022 09:57

I’ve overcompensated for my own failings by giving in to her and created a bit of a monster. I need to rethink and reset a bit

Very wise, OP, and very insightful if I may say so. It takes a lot of strength to revisit things like this, and though there may be more pain for a while when she kicks back, it's an important lesson which she needs to learn

mrsjackrussell · 07/03/2022 10:11

A similar thing happened to me. My dd insisted in last yrs lockdown that she wanted to stay with her boyfriends parents 300 miles away. I wasn't happy because of lockdown rules but she went as shes an adult and had tantrums over it for weeks . Id also had the parents begging me to let her go,

Within a month she wanted to come home but id already told her before she went she couldn't come home until lockdown finished.

I had the mum messaging me saying my dd was upset she couldn't come home. She'd told them a pack of lies about us saying she didn't get on with us etc. Id felt like id lost her to them. She eventually came home and the boyfriend promptly finished with her.

I don't really know what went on but maybe they saw through the lies.

What im trying to say is hang in there as the relationship may not last and she will be caught out.

myadhdusername · 07/03/2022 10:26

I know not everything is 'a condition' and some people are just dicks but everything you are saying about her is reminding me of me as a teen. It's making me feel a bit sad actually because I know how you are feeling is exactly how my Mum would have felt and how she would have thought of me.

I have ADHD and I just wonder if it's worth thinking about? Not in a 'mmm I've heard X Y Z about ADHD and she doesn't fit it' but look into it now, specifically ADHD in women.

I thought I was just an extra horrible teen but it turns out it was something else. My relationship with my mum will never be fully repaired.

BeatieBourke · 07/03/2022 10:45

Just to bring this back to the question in the title of your thread...

This sounds like a difficult and complicated situation that pulls together threads about your own experience a a young adult, your worries about your parenting, her resentment and her chaotic ways to get what she thinks she deserves by pretty dodgy means.

Would it be possible to put a card through the BFs parents' door, saying something along the lines of:

"I just wanted to say thanks for all the running around you do for DD, and let you know I'm aware of it. We're at a stage of trying to help her grow up to be responsible and independent, which is always tricky at this age isn't it! But so important. I wouldn't want any extra support that she feels she needs to fall to you, that would be unfair. So here's my number in case you ever need to contact us, or anything comes up that you want to discuss.

Thanks again."

Would this help you take a step back and reset without feeling like you'd just left her to it with no channels of communication open? It's a bit of damage limitation, and would probably help BFs parents to dispell any myths she's created about you without without having to confront them (the parents or the myths) directly.

WouldIwasShookspeared · 07/03/2022 10:54

@JanetPluchinsky

She actually said to me this morning that we NEVER give her lifts or money.

I think she believes her own bullshit. I mean, DH drove her to work yesterday fgs. He picked her up from the boyfriends and dropped her at work. We’re a pair of mugs.

I got her the job because she was struggling to find a job elsewhere. She’s made herself look pretty unemployable with multiple facial piercings and wild coloured hair, which I did try to explain to her when she kept getting knocked back.

And she’s just now texted me a link to a pair of jeans. That’s it. No comment or please. Just the link. That’s how she treats us.

I need to step back from her for my own mental well-being I think.

You really really need to take action on this.

We never give you lifts or money? We never do? Ok. We will carry on never giving you lifts or money.

Then every time she asks for either, remind her that she claims you never do either so why is she asking?

Give her exactly what she's claiming you do. Keep that up for a week or two then ask her if she'd like to rethink her position.

AskingforaBaskin · 07/03/2022 11:06

Next time she asks you for a lift or money tell her to do what she did last weekend as you never give her lifts.

How did you get home last "insert day DH drove her" why don't you do that again.

And I'd stop all money. Every penny.

PoshPyjamas · 07/03/2022 12:19

To be fair people will only treat you as you allow yourself to be treated. Why on earth would she think that you would do anything other than delete an e Mail with a link to pair of jeans in it? I think it is more difficult than people realise to change entrenched behaviour, but if you don’t change, she certainly won’t.

JudyGemstone · 07/03/2022 17:15

I see the armchair psychiatrists are back.
What about the OPs description of her daughter suggests she has EUPD??
Absolutely none of it thats what.

Yes she’s selfish and lacks empathy, neither of those things are symptoms of EUPD. They’re just regular old personality traits that many people have, of all ages and backgrounds.

Freddie15VES · 07/03/2022 17:40

As an awful teenager (sorry mum) this reminds me a lot of myself. All I can say is it passes and me and my mum are closer than ever now. She’ll realise one day how much she needs you

DameHelena · 07/03/2022 17:42

@Xmassprout

I would stop giving her money and lifts. She is 18 with a job. She doesn't need pocket money and she has access to public transport.

If his parents allow themselves to get roped in, that's on them.

This.
mumoftinyterrors · 07/03/2022 17:47

Sorry OP but I stopping reading your post at "give her £20 pocket money every week". Seriously? At 18 years old, she is an adult. Why are you still giving her money?

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