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I need to speak to them, don’t I?

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JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 11:05

DD is just turned 18. She’s been with her boyfriend a year.

Before Christmas she basically lived at his for about three months and only came home briefly once a week or so, to fetch things. She did spend Christmas Day with us but couldn’t wait to go back to his house. She spent the whole day telling us how much better and nicer his parents are than us, better food, nicer house, better Xmas tree ffs. We’ve tried really hard to not rise to this btw.

She’s been spending much more time at home since the start of the year, which has been lovely, and I gave her a job at the restaurant I manage.

She constantly asks me and DH for lifts and money. Constantly. It’s a running joke that I’ll say ‘money or a lift?’ to whoever’s next to me before answering the phone to her and it is ALWAYS one or the other. We pay for an open bus pass for her btw and she still gets £20 pocket money a month on top of about £200 pt wage (pocket money is to match what we give 10yo DS because she said it was unfair).

So this is all background. Yesterday she was meant to be working until midnight. She usually gets a lift home with me, or a colleague, or the boyfriend but none of us were finishing at the same time. The last bus home was 11.15.

I said that was absolutely fine, and changed her hours to finish at 11pm.

She then said to DH that she couldn’t (as in she’d asked me and I’d said no) leave work early and he’d have to pick her up at midnight. The lie fell apart as soon as I got home, obviously, and I told her she’d be leaving at 11pm and getting the bus home. She said ok.

Her boyfriend’s mother drove her home.

She had phoned this woman and told her we’d left her stranded in town with no way of getting home. So she’d driven a half hour round trip to pick the poor stranded child up and take her home.

DD was quite proud to tell us this. ‘X cares about my safety and didn’t want me getting a late bus home’. I cannot get my head round DD phoning this woman, lying to her about the situation. And being quite happy for her to come out late at night to take her home to save herself a fifteen fucking minute bus ride.

I get the impression she has told BFs parents we are basically starving and stranding her. We’ve never met them despite asking.

I don’t have any contact details for them but I do know the house (having dropped DD there countless times despite being an awful parent who never gives lifts). I feel like I need to tell them that we are not the abusive neglectful parents DD is making out!

She is always asking for money for lunch, a big bugbear of mine, when we have a house full of food. I’m pretty sure she makes out to his parents that we starve her. I’m just not giving her a fiver a day for lunch at college. And I often find out they’ve picked her up from college or they drop her home, it’s all walkable and she has an open (expensive!) bus pass.

Should I talk to them? Or do I need to get over this and let her manipulate them into parenting her?

It also doesn’t feel great that DD is happy to lie and manipulate like this but I don’t know how to get through to her.

OP posts:
GingerWit · 07/03/2022 17:52

@JanetPluchinsky

She just told me I’m abusive for expecting her to get an unsafe bus home in the middle of the night.

We live in rural sussex not the ghetto. And she’s quite happy to stay out late with her mates or at the pub.

I’ve just now really lost my temper with her and I feel awful. I hate this.

Stop the pocket money, she's 18. With all the women ending up dead in the news lately I wouldn't be happy with my daughter being at a bus stop late at night, on her own...regardless of where you live. There is nothing wrong with keeping her safe, even if she's being a typical little madam of a teenager. She sounds like my 14yr old daughter!

If she's not using the bus pass, stop paying for that as well. It sounds like she could up her hours and learn to drive - I would consider paying for her to learn, but maybe take £50 out of her wages? You need to enable her to be independent.

As for the lying - Is she actually telling his parents as you say it is? That you are starving and neglecting her etc? You might find BF's parents probably already realise what she's doing, having a teen of their own and been teen's themselves.

Call the parents over for a family dinner and while you're all sat down, drop the lie bomb at the table. A dose of humiliation will do your daughter well! Put a light spin on it, but explain how hurt and disappointed you are. You could also do it in private, but you need to open up a dialogue with her and BF's family.

Roxy69 · 07/03/2022 17:53

Definitely say nothing to the other parents. At any stage that will blow up massively and could cause irreparable damage to your relationship. Thinking you are going behind her back to whinge about her won't be helpful. I think this is just a phase and with luck she will grow out of it. No more pocket money etc, it's unreasonable as if she claims to be a grown up she must act like it

TomRaider · 07/03/2022 17:54

@Notimeforaname

OP stop the pocket money and all lifts. Do not speak to the boyfriends parents about this. Nothing to do with them.

On paper this girl doesn't sound nice at all. Drinks and smokes all her money, lies, manipulates and demands to have the same pocket money as her 10 year old brother?
It's a joke. Let her cry neglect to anyone who'll listen.
Shes an 18 year old adult. Not a kid.

OP stop giving her a single thing. Shes taking it all and demanding more. Let her budget her own money as she is an adult now. She will have fuck all life skills if this carrys on.

I just keep thinking she has all the selfish manipulate skills of the average drug user with whom I am so familiar.
Lady089 · 07/03/2022 17:55

Stop enabling her, she doesn’t need lifts or money anymore she’s an adult. Time for her to stand on two feet.

Hertsgirl10 · 07/03/2022 17:57

It’s her you should be speaking to not the parents!!

Why would you give her pocket money? She’s 18.
She works and is taking the absolute piss out of everyone.

If they wanna believe that then let them.

Stop paying her bus fair, stop giving her pocket money AND stop worrying what they think about you.

Has she always been so spoilt?

I would not give her anything and tell her that she makes lunches for school or pay out of her wages … why does she tell you it’s not fair for her to get pocket money? And you do it?

Regularsizedrudy · 07/03/2022 18:00

How many hours does she work to only get £200 a month?

Astressie · 07/03/2022 18:05

I haven't read the whole thread, and I'm sure a lot of my thoughts will reflect others. I would start by forewarning her you want to treat her like an adult as she is 18 now . She cannot be an adult if she is continuously relying on you, so there will be some changes but you want to give her some warning. For e.g. no more subbing money. Any money you give her must be paid back. If it is not then you will not lend her anymore. No lifts. She will have to use public transport , or change her job. Also, you need the details of her boyfriend's parents, so you can contact them if you are concerned about her whereabouts. Any changes you make, you must stick to or they will have no effect whatsoever. Ignore all the screaming and shouting / protestations. Remind her she is old enough to be looking after herself. Start from some really tough boundaries as it sounds like there is a lot of work to be done!!!! Lots and lots of luck.x

RedskyThisNight · 07/03/2022 18:05

@Regularsizedrudy

How many hours does she work to only get £200 a month?
20 as it's £10 a hour. So 5 (ish) a week.
SpinningTheSeedsOfLove · 07/03/2022 18:06

@Regularsizedrudy

How many hours does she work to only get £200 a month?
20 hours a month
Alip1965 · 07/03/2022 18:06

Sounds normal. Sorry... x

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 07/03/2022 18:07

7-12 once a week as OP already posted. And has the opportunity to work a couple of weekends front of house for more money but doesn't.

I hate to sound like my own mother but she doesn't know she's born. I agree with those that say if she's saying you 'never' do anything then continue (or start!) to 'never' do anything. She can sort herself out.

And for those of you on the bus thing - did you miss the part where she is happy to get the bus when it's something she wants to do, it's only unsafe when she wants a lift?

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 07/03/2022 18:08

@Astressie I don't think you can simultaneously tell her that she'll be treated like an adult now but also you need her boyfriend's parents details!

Astressie · 07/03/2022 18:13

@ChiefWiggumsBoy She absolutely can if her daughter's living at her house, and she seems to come and go as she pleases. Her daughter needs to know that her mum loves her and needs to know where she is. OP does not want to be told by her daughter she doesn't cre. Groundrules need to be clear if she lives in OP's house.

Astressie · 07/03/2022 18:13

*cre care

expat101 · 07/03/2022 18:13

I too agree with leaving the BF’s parents out of it.

I would organise a time for you, DD & DH to sit down at the table and put your cards on the table to her. Ensure you and DH are on the same page beforehand.

In my view, she has all but moved out. I presume she is sharing a bed with BF so is making adult decisions. Without coming across as judgemental, but factual, I would say we acknowledge you are now an adult and as you have moved out to life as one half of a couple, it’s time for childhood benefits including financial support of living with your (her) parents now stop.

The key is not to get emotional or accusatory. No interruptions as someone speaks set that rule before the meeting starts. Hear her out and then if she wants to start with how poorly she is treated at home, remind her again she has already left!

But he firm if she is no longer living at home and participating in your family life, the buck stops by a set date (I would give her a fortnight’s notice and when the next bus pass payment is due).

But be firm, factual, and be strong! She won’t like it at all but clearly she cannot have her cake and eat it too. Give her notice and make it very plain this is her choice.

Londoncallingtothefarawaytowns · 07/03/2022 18:20

She’s 18 and you’ve spoiled her.
If you want her to be a decent person, stop enabling her.
Is this for real? A job AND a spending money? At 18? When’s she off to uni/college then? Or is she going to sponge of you at home until she’s in her 20s?

I wouldn’t care about what the other parents thought about not getting a lift - I’d care that she was so entitled that she’d asked for one from them!

Hope you make better choices with your 10 year old Shock

PiperPosey · 07/03/2022 18:23

@JanetPluchinsky

She is completely funded and supported by us. She has an iPhone 12, the latest iPad, she has a large double bedroom in a house full of food and mod cons. We have great public transport here, busses to and from town every fifteen minutes (plus it’s only a half hour walk). She isn’t expected to support herself ffs.
May I move in with you? Sounds wonderful to me. If she uses money for smokes and drinks then she's broke that's on her.

I would cut off extra funds...and lifts and personally I would contact her BF mom/dad and give them a heads up about her manipulating them.

PS I'm sorry you are going through this. I purchased a car for my daughter for her when she was 18 because she didn't have credit.

She had to pay me every month. She lasted 2 months and when I asked her for the 3rd she said, " Mom you can't get money out of a turnip." Took the car back and sold it.
She was so upset. I learned a lesson...a very valuable lesson. She's asked me to co-sign apartment etc.. since and I just said, " Nope. You remember the car thingy." and she shuts up.

wentworthinmate · 07/03/2022 18:28

I really feel for you OP. She is playing you both and I think you need to nip that in the bud. No more lifts or money. Tear that plaster off. Be there for her but not in buying anything or being at her beck and call.
It will be ok eventually.

Derbee · 07/03/2022 18:32

@JanetPluchinsky

She is completely funded and supported by us. She has an iPhone 12, the latest iPad, she has a large double bedroom in a house full of food and mod cons. We have great public transport here, busses to and from town every fifteen minutes (plus it’s only a half hour walk). She isn’t expected to support herself ffs.
I think you should sit down and explain this clearly to her. If she doesn’t start appreciating everything, tell her you will stop it ALL and she will learn the hard way to see what you both do for her.
amispeakingintongues · 07/03/2022 18:34

You don’t need to talk with / explain yourself to her bf parents. You need to talk to your dd! Tell her to get a grip - and stop letting her manipulate YOU. I can’t believe you’re buying the ‘its not fair’ comparison with a 10yo?! That would only be true if she was under 17 and unable to earn a living. She sounds like she’s very lucky to have a job without applying for one, to have the flexibility of working for her parents and the freedom to come and go as she pleases. She is taking the piss.

Mere1 · 07/03/2022 18:41

Try stopping the money you do give. She will then notice your generosity.

Cantleave · 07/03/2022 18:47

@mrsm43s

She is a child in full time education. I think many posters are missing this. I don't know anyone who has cut off financial, practical or emotional support to their sixth formers.

As a minimum you should be paying for phone, any co-curricular activities, books and equipment, lunches, travel, essential school trips and a liveable allowance. Yes, all in, that does cost a fair bit, but its the expense of having a child, just as childcare, or school uniforms or pocket money etc are. I would also expect at that age that you will be her go to for lifts and help. Her peers will almost certainly be getting that from their parents, so I can see why she feels that you aren't supportive, and has chosen to semi move out into another family who support her more.

Did you miss the part about the OP buys food for packed lunches, plus she pays £110 per month for travelling?

You seriously think the OP should be giving her dd more money? Her daughter earns £200 per month plus gets £20 pocket money, so she has £220 a month to spend. What does her dd do with this money?? She spends it on smoking and drinking, but you think she should be given even more money to waste!

Not everyone has unlimited amounts of money, to give to their teenage children, so they can piss it away on booze and fags! I think the OP is being very generous as it is, under the circumstances and her dd is behaving like an entitled, manipulative brat!

fetchacloth · 07/03/2022 18:52

@clpsmum

Stop the pocket money and lifts right away and tell her to grow up. Don't be so flexible with her shifts, I assume nobody else gets special treatment. I imagine she is telling his parents all sorts about you. I'd call her bluff and tell her to. I've put if she's not happy and think she, as an adult, is being neglected
Totally agree with this. When I started work at 16yo I had to pay for my own travel pass and 'keep' at home out of my low apprenticeship wages. As the eldest of three siblings it was made clear to me that there wasn't much spare cash, and if I didn't like it I could always leave and live somewhere else. These are the hard lessons to be learnt when starting out in life, but well worth it. Although my dad did help me out occasionally (but don't tell your mum!)😉
Bertiebiscuit · 07/03/2022 18:57

Your dd is becoming your abuser tbh - cut off the never ending money and bail outs - she's 18,not a child, and she has a nasty habit of lying to everyone - stop tolerating her terrible behaviour - she's an adult ffs, behaving like a horrible 2 year old and you are enabling her - just put a stop to it - meet her boyfriends parents, and stop her lying and manipulation of you all before it gets really out if hand and she does something terrible, she's out of control

Juelz · 07/03/2022 18:58

I think you’re going above & beyond at parenting. When my daughter was 18 & started earning, albeit part time, there was no more pocket money, but she didn’t pay keep. You need to stop the pocket money, as she’s earning, start giving her responsibility, let her do her own washing etc., and don’t let her get away with this s*! Oh, & meet the BF’s parents & tell them some truths, although I’m sure they don’t think bad of you. Good Luck. xx