Who the F**K still thinks voting Tory is a good idea.

[beachcitygirl]

Just that really. Sociopathic Patel refusing visas. In a time where we need leadership & empathy & intelligence there's a ducking idiot at the helm & Rees~Mogg making a fortune with insider trading.
Who the hell will admit to being so sociopathically selffish & grabby to still vote Tory?

@Ilovetommycat

Women are currently losing their safe spaces. Men allowed to attend menopause self help meetings, female rape counselling groups because they identify as women.

Organisations changing wording to 'chest feeders', 'people with a cervix' etc.

These are just a few examples and guess which party is in power. The TORIES.

So refusing to vote Labour on this one issue is ignoring the fact that this is already happening.

@Ilovetommycat *These are just a few examples and guess which party is in power. The TORIES.

So refusing to vote Labour on this one issue is ignoring the fact that this is already happening.*]

What you say is very true however the Tories don't actively endorse this, and certainly wouldn't actually go as far as legislating it.

Labour not only actively endorse it, but if what I've been told is correct, want to actually legislate it. Legislate all of it. And when that happens? When it changes from being not recommended but tolerated (Tory) to actually legislated? When that happens? Women are FUCKED. Eff U C Kay E Dee. Fucked. Irrevocably.

It's far, far too great a risk to women's lives to vote Labour. It means women's actual lives at stake. It's far, Far too great a risk to women to vote Labour. And I say this as an Australian Labor voter and campaign worker and supporter (luckily our Labor hasn't yet been infected with the TWAW nonsense and it really isn't much of an issue in Australia.... yet.)

I read Riapia’s comment not to mean ‘All Tory voters are stupid’ but actually ‘implying there is only one good choice in the current political system is naive/stupid and one of the main problems with some political parties is that they hold the view that they are ‘morally right’.

@VanCleefArpels

People vote for the party that they think will protect their interests best. In that sense yes they are selfish. UK is historically right leaning (just count up the years of left leaning governments compared to the right).

This isnt quite correct.

If you look back, the majority of the country votes for left leaning parties but our broken FPTP electoral system means that the tories always win.

This is why we need electoral reform and PR.

Half the nation doesn't vote Tory. 13.9 million people voted for the Conservative Party at the last election. A higher number of people voted for other parties (10.2 million Labour, 3.6 million Lib Dem, 1.2 million SNP, 850,000 for the Green party). 1/3 of the electorate didn't vite at all, which is quite shocking and these are the people who need to be encouraged to the ballot box.

@Eddielizzard I'd love it if we could work up a campaign for spoiling votes in a specific way to protest against the erosion of women's rights.

There is a way. Is voting compulsory where you are? Is it compulsory in England? Someone please help me out here, because I don't think it is but am unsure. The answer is very simple. Abstain from voting. If enough women (and male allies) choose not to participate in the vote, this will have an effect on both parties but mainly Labour. They will have to sit up and do something when they see women are not participating in the vote and Labour are losing hundreds of thousands of potential votes. They won't be able to hold out much longer after that. Something will have to give with them if there is a boycott of the election from women, sort of a reverse suffrage, if you will, to get positive change for women.

That is your very simple solution. Don't vote. Don't participate in the election. Abstain. Boycott. If a women's suffrage movement pushes for a national boycott, Labour will eventually collapse.

And then change will happen.

Yep. The recent elections/ the referendum in 2016 show that a large proportion of people are indeed thick/ uneducated/ ignorant/ incapable of rational thought or even reading well-publicised factual information/ critical thinking/ have no grasp of economics, politicis, law, geopolitics, etc. Look how many people are shocked that there is inflation now, after a pandemic and enormous state spending and now a war in countries that export much fuel and food! 🤣 A lot of people ARE thick, sadly

And what can we blame for that? Ah yes, an underfunded and under resourced education system that's been systematically decimated for years. Not all the tories fault of course, my education in a state secondary school was plagued with bad behaviour and teachers who couldn't control a class of yobbish teenagers (over 20 years ago now) and standards have slipped even further and education is in the worst state it's ever been in. Plus i don't recall my education covering things like politics, law, economics, and geopolitics. Maybe we should have spent less time trying to decipher Shakespeare and more time on things that are actually important. Thanks curriculum. So if the general populace is "thick" maybe you should look at the opportunity those people have had to be as clever and insightful as you.

To add on, I wouldn't even attend to 'spoil my paper'. An actual Stay Away boycott will be far more affective. You in England need to mobilise to push this Stay Away boycott.

When is your next election on?

...I can't believe someone on this thread is suggesting everyone who voted Tory did so because they saw a meme and because their boyfriends were voting Tory 🤦🏼‍♀️

As a PP said, TWAW is a hill I'm willing to die on also. Labour are the biggest threat to womens safety in living memory.

Not allowing people to vote for another party OP sounds a bit too communist for my liking.

You may not agree with their choice, but they have the right to vote any way they want.

Because at the time the alternative was Corbyn and Abbot. Corbyn had no opinion on Europe, but wanted to hike small businesss tax. Abbot was "doing the circuit" talking absolute crap and getting her knickers in a twist about facts and figures. No wonder the majority of the population voted Tory. Would they now? Probably not.

I agree with the concerns about labour and women. But I think it is something better fought from the inside. I don't believe that about the Tories. Some labour views are dangerous for women and need to be changed. So many Tory views are dangerous for women, the sick, the poor, the old, the vulnerable, anyone earning less than 80k, the NHS, education.

I'm not belittling the danger of TWAW views but it's not worse than what the Tories are doing and I do think there's still hope of changing the labour stance.

For those who want to know what Labour would do differently: A summary of Labour policies from their most recent party conference. Keir Starmer and Yvette Cooper have both publicly criticised Priti Patel this weekend over the visa situation for Ukrainians and called for easing of restrictions.

I am a floating voter who doesn't normally vote Labour (although I never vote Conservative).

Would they now? Probably not. actually, if David Lamey is still calling women rights hoarding dinosaurs and has Labour singing the TWAW gaslighting mantra, I'll probably vote Tory again.

I thought men were the biggest threat to women's safety in living history.

Many people will always vote Tory (some for reasons I respect, some for reasons I don't respect) and many people vote Tory intermittently or are open to changing their minds. As in 1997, if enough of people decide to change their vote next time, we can have a change of government.

Everyone who cares about getting a new government should get educated on how to help - there are some seats where a Tory is likely to win whatever the circs. There are some seats where change can happen.

One thing I genuinely believe is that many decent Tory voters are appalled at the corruption, lying and assault on democracy being committed by the current government.

One thing I do believe - if you want a change of government, start being openminded towards future ex-Tory voters. We need them.

So people are genuinely happy to see the tories stay in power because of trans people? I can't really get my head around that. You're part of the problem here.

Threads like these are always full of posters who are opposed to Labour's stance on gender, which I understand and generally agree with. It wouldn't stop me voting Labour as personally other issues are more important to me. I wondered if anyone know if any polling has been done about this issue on the wider public and if it would cost the Labour Party votes in an election?

@VanCleefArpels

People vote for the party that they think will protect their interests best. In that sense yes they are selfish. UK is historically right leaning (just count up the years of left leaning governments compared to the right).

UK governments have often been more right wing than the electorate. This article looks at why the FPTP voting system produces more right wing governments than PR, and explains why the Tories are so against voting reform.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2021/04/why-first-past-post-steals-elections-right-wing-parties-and-how-stop-it

My DH voted Tory in the last election and has defended/excused Boris Johnson over every recent scandal. He also voted for Brexit.
Both these views are completely different to mine and I don't love it. but I don't think he's thick or stupid, he has a different opinion.

Ramalamadingdongs
Not because of trans people but because of the threat to women's rights. The mantra twaw is so open to abuse and is incredibly dangerous for women and children.

I'm pretty glad we invested in Trident right now. You?

Do posters think that Labour voters calling people thick for voting Tory is really going to encourage people to vote Labour?

The level of contempt is mind-blowing, especially when you look at who Labour put forward last time 🤦🤦🤦

And no, don't tell me it was the evil media who painted Corbyn as an anti-semite. When Jews are telling you that they see anti-semitism, you bloody well pay attention.

Current Labour are fucking awful, let's not frame this as some kind of no-brainer.

As always the arrogant rude lefties on this thread sure aren't showing why it's so much better to be like them!

@PaddleBoardingMomma

...I can't believe someone on this thread is suggesting everyone who voted Tory did so because they saw a meme and because their boyfriends were voting Tory 🤦🏼‍♀️

As a PP said, TWAW is a hill I'm willing to die on also. Labour are the biggest threat to womens safety in living memory.

I didn't. I said everyone I know in real life did.

While you're all weighing up what's important enough to deserve your vote, do try to keep in mind:

A combination of single issue voting, social media manipulation, and mass abstention from voting for anyone at all is exactly what led to the rise of Donald Trump in the United States.

Donald Trump appointed a Secretary of State who immediately overturned Russian sanctions following the annexation of Crimea.

Donald Trump withheld US military aid from Ukraine to achieve a personal political gain. It was why he was impeached.

Donald Trump appointed Steven Miller, who was the architect of the border policy that separated migrant/refugee children from their parents (including breastfeeding infants), deported the parents from the United States without their children, and then made sure the record keeping was so shoddy, that it was incredibly difficult to reunite said children and parents.

Donald Trump appointed Supreme Court judges that have since upheld abortion bans in entire states, such as Texas, to reward the "base" for its myopic single-issue voting.

@Fishlegs that is a tad “whataboutery “ - we have the system we have (I voted in favour of PR in the referendum btw). The fact is that whatever flavour of “right” has been the winner more often than whatever flavour of “left” in the modern era