Who the F**K still thinks voting Tory is a good idea.

[beachcitygirl]

Just that really. Sociopathic Patel refusing visas. In a time where we need leadership & empathy & intelligence there's a ducking idiot at the helm & Rees~Mogg making a fortune with insider trading.
Who the hell will admit to being so sociopathically selffish & grabby to still vote Tory?

I also won't vote for any party who says twaw. Am also viewing the left wing parties as more authoritarian than the tories right now - am in Wales where the labour 'govt' ran amok with stupid lockdown rules and the snp in Scotland have had some scary policies that show a complete lack of critical thinking.
Kier Starmer is going to get splinters in his arse from all the fence sitting on women's rights and as for the Lib Dems, just no.
It's a bit tricky to vote right now.

@Pyewhacket

You couldn’t pay me enough to vote for Labour.

And here lies the problem. The Tories are wrecking the country but some people still think labour are worse. IMO that's a stupid and dangerous opinion. Few people think labour are wonderful but they are hugely less dangerous than Tories.

It's really not that tricky to vote for another party. I vote for the principles of the party rather than individuals as such. My principles align with Labour.

Few people think labour are wonderful but they are hugely less dangerous than Tories

In your opinion. Lots of women who are concerned about the future of women's rights are very torn on this.

And it is tricky to vote for alternatives when they are all, bar one, aligned on an issue that the individual voter considers to be crucial!

@Grumpsy I'm not saying that's why people didn't vote for Corbyn, but the media did a good job of running him down because he looked like a geography teacher. It's part of the narrative. Who controls the media? The people in the posh suits, with the expensive education and that have titles or own land. It's a vicious cycle.

But I take your point that many people didn't like his politics, which drove plenty of people onto the booths to tick the Tory box.

No corbynista here (see! Deadbeat beatnik socialist way to describe him) but just looking at the bigger picture of why people vote for people who burnt £50 notes on front of homeless people....

@Pyewhacket

You couldn’t pay me enough to vote for Labour.

^ This.

To answer your question. Because people are fundamentally selfish (remember the panic buying of toilet paper).

Also because left and right are so polarising, people cannot see that there is a mix of good and bad on both sides.

And because people are selfish, they will ignore the bad when they vote as they seek to serve themselves.

I think they are all pretty incompetent so I will vote for the party with the lightest touch and who will interfere in my life the least.

@Pyewhacket

You couldn’t pay me enough to vote for Labour.

Agree.

A lot of people ARE thick, sadly
Yes, and they didn't all vote Tory.

@Zonder It depends on what your definition of 'less dangerous' is, and what you prioritise.

Increasing the chances of women being raped is more dangerous. Isolating rape victims when they cannot be guaranteed that they have a safe space and a woman's rape survivors group is more dangerous. Promoting the idea that women are just 'menstruators' is more dangerous. Suggesting women should have to 'reframe their trauma' because of men in the women's group is dangerous. Promoting the removal of all women's toilets and making them unisex - thus some women on this site have previously said they will restrict their fluids at work, thus risking a UTI, is dangerous. Women saying they will no longer go out much in case they need to use public toilets, is dangerous. Promoting stripping of much needed funds to Domestic Violence shelters if they don't allow male victims is dangerous and can result in women being killed at home. Calling women 'cervix havers' means when half of all women, according to research, don't know they have a cervix, removing the word woman means they (especially non-English speakers) may not know they should get tested - leading to deaths. Muslim women too afraid to participate in society because of men in women's spaces, leads to isolation, non-integration and a lack racial and religious participation/isolation.

All of these are very detrimental, and dare I say it, very dangerous for us as a society.

Women are currently losing their safe spaces.
Men allowed to attend menopause self help meetings, female rape counselling groups because they identify as women.

Organisations changing wording to 'chest feeders', 'people with a cervix' etc.

These are just a few examples and guess which party is in power. The TORIES.

So refusing to vote Labour on this one issue is ignoring the fact that this is already happening.

It is already happening but there is push back. The left wing parties are actively endorsing it

Me. What the hell is Labour going to do any different? I’d love to hear this.

I don't like any of them. I am left leaning but I won't vote labour while they won't safeguard safe spaces. Right now the Tories are the only party holding the line on that issue. TWAW is my hill to die on I'm afraid.

I'd love it if we could work up a campaign for spoiling votes in a specific way to protest against the erosion of women's rights.

I think I heard

Oh well then, who needs facts?

Why are there more choices of bread in the average supermarket than there are choices of political parties?
Does anyone else see how nuts this is?

@Riapia

This is the problem with democracy. Stupid people will insist on voting for the wrong party.

That is such a stupid, narrow minded view that shows you have literally no critical faculty. You can’t see that other people have the right to a view that isn’t the same as your own. People like you only believe in democracy when it goes your way.

Well the pushback doesn't seem to be working.
What a political party says and what it does are never the same.
The Conservative party as the party of womens' rights. Really???

The Conservative party as the party of womens' rights. Really???

It's a damning indictment of the opposition that this is why women are voting tory

People vote for the party that they think will protect their interests best. In that sense yes they are selfish. UK is historically right leaning (just count up the years of left leaning governments compared to the right).

Well I'm extremely glad Corbyn with his intent to get rid of Trident didn't get in right now...

I live in a constituency where Labour received 6.4% of the vote in the last general election. The Conservative party 58.4 and the Lib Dems 31.9.

I vote for the person I consider likely to be the best constituency MP.

@Billandben444

A lot of people ARE thick, sadly Yes, and they didn't all vote Tory.

Correct.

However.

The Tory voters I know IRL voted that way because:

1. A snappy meme every few days on their social media feeds helped them double down on their own biases (economic, social, and racial) and encouraged them to "vote for Boris".

1. Their boyfriend was voting Tory, so they were voting Tory.

Neither of these approaches call for critical thinking skills.

And the first approach was one that Dominic Cummings admitted to deploying and laughed about it, because it meant he "won". So, not only were the Snappy Meme folks not using their brains, they were also being actively manipulated by some dickhead who thought this was all an amusing game of chess.

@MintyFreshBreath

Me. What the hell is Labour going to do any different? I’d love to hear this.

I'd love to hear this too.