Who the F**K still thinks voting Tory is a good idea.

[beachcitygirl]

Just that really. Sociopathic Patel refusing visas. In a time where we need leadership & empathy & intelligence there's a ducking idiot at the helm & Rees~Mogg making a fortune with insider trading.
Who the hell will admit to being so sociopathically selffish & grabby to still vote Tory?

@MrsPsmalls

I don't vote Tory. But this thread is childish and ridiculous. Half the nation votes Tory more or less. Are you really saying that half the nation are sociopaths? Grabby? Or maybe just a bit thick as they haven't had the insights that you have ?

No, half the nation does not vote Tory. For a start you're discounting SNP in your 'nation'. Then, there's the fact that our FPTP system favours the Tories, as the progressive parties' votes ate split. The majority of the overall vote actually favours centrist and left leaning policies.

Nobody who think, I'd say, would vote for them.

So can you explain exactly how a law of self id, won't be a problem for women? And you can no longer use the argument of 'oh well other countries have self id and its fiiiiiiiine' because the evidence is emerging that its not fine (eg. Barbie Kardashian, WiSpa etc). So how will it not affect women

No, because i don't support self id. But i also don't think that it's the biggest issue that women face and it wouldn't stop me voting for labour if their policies addressed some other important issues.

Do you know what though, that's your issue here on Mumsnet. Saying you don't think it's as big a deal as it's made out to be on mumsnet automatically gets you placed into the camp that believes in self ID and therefore you need to be referred to the FWR forum for re-education, as if it's some font of all knowledge, and by going there I'll be enlightened. Which is laughable.

They even had to split the forum in two and hide the gender bit because of the dogged insistence that the trans stuff was the biggest issue facing women. It just isn't. I'm more interested in the scandal that is maternity care, violence against women in institutions such as the police, widespread discrimination in the workplace, the gender pay gap, the benefits system and how it keeps people, particularly women, stuck in a cycle of poverty, the way this government has failed disabled people and the effect that has on carers who are overwhelmingly women. But sure, I'll go back to the echo chamber and let's talk about trans people over and over and over and over. No thanks.

Always voted Tory I have voted for myself several times. Our MP is a brilliant constituency MP and will be voting Tory in the foreseeable. I cannot ever envisage voting for Labour or Liberal

I'm certain circumstances it is. In my constituency if they are best placed to unseat the SNP then it's a good idea to vote Tory.

Nationalism is far worse

These threads always amaze me. Do (usually lefty) posters think that insulting people is the best way to persuade them to change their thinking?
Baffling.

I think it's actually really rude to say people are 'thick' for not voting the way you would.

For what it's worth I didn't vote tory and wouldn't and am in dispair with it all. Banding insults around makes you just like the children who run our country with all the jeering and put down they use.

All parties are full of empty promises just to get voted in. They tell you what you want to hear and do none of it. This is just another thread where people can throw insults about like children. It's pathetic. You are not morally superior because you vote for a particular party.

The problem is that traditional tory voters aren't being protected as they once were. Apart from the millionaire types or the home county ones or the landed gentry types, your common garden variety tory isn't really feeling the benefits of being a tory - they're being shafted like the rest of us. Their granny was on her deathbed whilst the tories were getting off their tits during lockdown and costs are also soaring for them, the tories aren't the party of low tax.

I don't like Boris, never have, but I'll always vote Conservative.

I always find threads like these tend to be full of Labour supports calling other people names. There were so many before the last election. Instead of explaining the benefits of voting for other parties they were just nasty name calling threads.

Voting Tory is apparently a rubbish idea for anyone hoping care wages would improve. They allowed employers to import workers who they are legally obligated to pay more than the people already doing the job.

I suspect though labour party has no independent thoughts or ideas that would improve the lot of normal working people in the UK.
Millions on top up benefits actually allows poor wages to continue and no party can ever solve the benefits top up society we live in.

Mrs Thatcher said: there's no such thing as public money.
That's as true today as ever.

The removal of student loans to low graded students is a good move provided apprenticeship places are provided to redress the balance.

CounsellorTroi it's great that Wales are recovering well. That doesn't mean it was okay for Mark Drakeford to put us under strict lockdown where people were even prohibited from buying 'non essential' goods in the supermarket. Which was open anyway! He's seriously overstepped imo. And that's what the left does - one sniff of power and they get all dictatorial and wreck their many decent policies by alienating the electorate.

So grateful to be in Scotland where we have a viable alternative. SNP are far from perfect and I hate their stance towards women's rights...but better than Tory of course and Labour, for now. If I was in England I'd still vote Labour though. When you look at how we are suffering as a result of historic Tory decisions (not even including the current shambles) how could you ever think it is morally right to vote that way?

The problem is simple.

Too many people vote based on the leader.
It's a big popularity contest, that's all.

"I couldn't vote for Corbyn, he wore the wrong jacket, he has a beard, he's a lefty that likes mustard" etc etc.
So instead they vote BoJo the clown because he's a bit dim, a bit daft etc.

That's great. But there's no mention of policies, no mention of laws they want to pass or what they want to do for the people. So with disabled people under the Tories killing themselves, poor people starving to death, homeless people freezing to death on the streets etc. That doesn't matter, cause Corbyn is a lefty and Bojo ziplined..

And anyone who was stupid enough to buy in to the Corbyn witch hunt...shame on you. You deserve every bit of Boris.

@Ilovetommycat

The Conservative party has been in power since 2010. Were we even discussing TWAW and safe spaces then? Maybe, I could have memory failure but it certainly wasn't the issue it is today. This has all happened under a Tory government fgs. I am politically homeless currently but please take a moment to look at what's happened. No-one is stopping this erosion of women's rights except women.

Actually this has the Lib Dems' paw prints all over it. Much of this has been Lynne Featherstone's doing.

@MrsPsmalls

I don't vote Tory. But this thread is childish and ridiculous. Half the nation votes Tory more or less. Are you really saying that half the nation are sociopaths? Grabby? Or maybe just a bit thick as they haven't had the insights that you have ?

Yes. I am saying that. I’m right too.

I wouldn't describe the SNP as a viable alternative. Didn't one of their councillors want to prosecute the audience at that Jimmy Carr comedy show? They are absolutely batshit

I think the issue is that under Johnson the Tory party has become corrupt and self-serving and a parody of itself.

I never vote Tory but at least I could accept that we used to have Tory politicians who had some integrity and were motivated by public service.

The Johnson government is full of grotesquely incompetent, lying, money-grabbing, arrogant and weak individuals who have been destroying this country and its reputation abroad for the past few years.

We need to restore an environment where politicians are here to serve the country, not to line their pockets and give contracts to their mates and where they are accountable for their actions.

Also the current crisis in the cost of living has a lot to do with the fact that the Tories have allowed big businesses to thrive while squeezing the life out of regular people in the name of profit. This is not sustainable.

I have only contempt for Johnson. The sooner his government comes to an end the better for everyone. I don't see how anyone would want to be supporting a lying, cheating and incompetent 'leader' who is prepared to sacrifice people's health/lives to try to save his political skin (as shown by the abrupt end of Covid regulations to distract from partygate).

Brexit has been a disaster. We have had a massive drop in living standards.

If you think they are the best people to vote for then I genuinely worry about your sense of morality.

I agree wings

Not the tory party itself per se but the current tory government

They even had to split the forum in two and hide the gender bit because of the dogged insistence that the trans stuff was the biggest issue facing women. It just isn't. I'm more interested in the scandal that is maternity care, violence against women in institutions such as the police, widespread discrimination in the workplace, the gender pay gap, the benefits system and how it keeps people, particularly women, stuck in a cycle of poverty, the way this government has failed disabled people and the effect that has on carers who are overwhelmingly women. But sure, I'll go back to the echo chamber and let's talk about trans people over and over and over and over. No thanks.

You can't solve any of that stuff if you can't define who you mean when you say 'women' though, can you?

@HootOwl

Yep. The recent elections/ the referendum in 2016 show that a large proportion of people are indeed thick/ uneducated/ ignorant/ incapable of rational thought or even reading well-publicised factual information/ critical thinking/ have no grasp of economics, politicis, law, geopolitics, etc. Look how many people are shocked that there is inflation now, after a pandemic and enormous state spending and now a war in countries that export much fuel and food! 🤣 A lot of people ARE thick, sadly.

Yourself included.

What a stupid, ingnorant post.

@ColourMeExhausted

And anyone who was stupid enough to buy in to the Corbyn witch hunt...shame on you. You deserve every bit of Boris.

The majority of British Jews were wrong, then? And the Labour candidate who came knocking on our door?

I’ll be voting Tory though I’d normally vote Labour (in a Labour area). Women’s rights will be absolutely decimated under Labour, the Lib Dem’s and the Green Party and I can’t vote for that.