Falls Part 8

[Blossomtoes]

Because 7.5 is nearly full and we’re still waiting.

[quote CryingAtTheDiscotheque]Johnson, last November, smirking as he blathers on about there being no risk of armed conflict in Europe
twitter.com/adambienkov/status/1497139951552671744?s=21[/quote]
Johnson really is a buffon

I'd feel a lot happier if Ellwood was our PM.

How arrogant to be so dismissive of someone who has actual military experience and who wanted to put a NATO force of 40k in Ukraine to deter Putin.
Which had we done, would have avoided what has unfolded.

@JaniieJones

'The video Johnson did speaking to the Russians on SM was dreadful. He was flushed and looked and sounded totally pissed. It was an abomination.'

Think I've said it before on these threads bit it's funny how we all see things differently. Many people have said how brilliant this speech was but you think he was a bit.. 'flushed'. He didn't sound pissed to me either.

He is really coming across well in this crisis, leading when Germany dragged their heels about Swift. Must be tough for some negative contributors on threads like this when all you've to criticise is Bozo's messy hair and 'flushed' appearance oh and Truss looking 'vile'.

@JaniieJones

He called for the swift ban because it wont affect the UK very much.

BUT when it comes to dealing with wealthy Russians, he is somewhat for cautious, not wanting to upset the very people who fund his party and keep buoyant the London property market which Sunak enjoys.

the sanctions being put in place by the EU are far more stringent than what we are planning to do, i say planning because he has done very few at present, still waiting to get the laws in place......

Talk about Asleep at the Wheel.

Re: Visas. Updated but it remains very limited "Immediate family" - spouses, long term relationships and parents of children under 18 or child under 18 or someone who lives with you that you provide care for a medical condition.

And no clear route.

twitter.com/yvettecoopermp/status/1498051799416066048?s=21

Given an exodus of this nature must have been anticipated this must be deliberate. I'm sick of typing the word shameful so I'm just going to say cretins.

@JaniieJones

'did you miss the police investigation into Boris Johnson's birthday party, at a time when he denied the opportunity for birthday parties to millions of children?'

I think we've far more important things to be thinking about at the moment, don't you?

At least Pip Crerar and Brand have been quiet. It has been impressive to see real journalism in the media rather than their silly gossip.

You know what, most of us can think about two issues at once. And if you believe that the Prime Minister potentially being charged with and convicted of breaking laws put in place by his own government isn't important, you have a very strange set of priorities.

It beats my why any Tory accepts scruffy Boris. I remember Tory MPs and Cameron slagging off Corbyn and in earlier days Michael Foot for the way they dressed.

Bozo's speech in the Ukrainian cathedral was really moving wasn't it? None of them seemed to care that his hair is a bit scruffy! All chanting 'thank you!' at the end, grateful for the UK leading in the response while the EU dithered. Can't any of you recognise he is absolutely doing the right thing here, give him a teeny bit of credit? Or is still yeah but cake and 'bubbly'?!

I'm glad the UK are providing military support. However I'd like to see the Government widen the opportunities for Ukrainian refugees to come to the UK - both in who can come and how they get here. We have a long tradition of doing this. Otherwise talk is cheap.

Cake and bubbly = police investgation

We have a long tradition of doing this. Otherwise talk is cheap.

Truthfully, our reputation is rather mixed. Have you ever questioned why it was a Kindertransport and not an Erwachsenetransport? Or then when the war started we interned many Germans, including many German Jews who had fled Hitler, on the Isle of Man? I agree we did better with the Ugandan Asians when they came.

The problem now is De Spaffle has destroyed any vestige of authority and trust he had. When he stands up and tells us what they're going to do to deal with Putin we don't believe him. When he tells us what Putin is planning, we don't believe him. If and when he tells us what we need to do, we won't believe him.

Now more than ever Britain needs a leader who commands respect not a wannabe who brings nothing but ridicule.

The UK is leading the way behind the EU and USA and is still dithering on sanctions and visas but that is for other threads.

Johnson breaks laws and lies.

'we don't believe him'

Speak for yourself. Many people do infact believe him, we have the actual evidence you see. We are providing military and humanitarian support, it's all there on the news.

I think Zelenskyy would perhaps have something to say if Bozo was telling lies don't you?

@JaniieJones

'we don't believe him'

Speak for yourself. Many people do infact believe him, we have the actual evidence you see. We are providing military and humanitarian support, it's all there on the news.

I think Zelenskyy would perhaps have something to say if Bozo was telling lies don't you?

He's a liar. He's been sacked twice for lying. He's lied to his wives. He's lied to parliament. He's lied to the British public. Only a fool would believe anything he says.

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/is-boris-johnson-trustworthy

75% of people polled as at 17/2/22 appear to disagree with you JJ.

As ever, it's all one big photo opp for Johnson. Happy to stand next to a Ukrainian flag or to show up at church, but will he act to address the impending refugee crisis or the London laundromat? dont hold your breath.

@JaniieJones

Bozo's speech in the Ukrainian cathedral was really moving wasn't it? None of them seemed to care that his hair is a bit scruffy! All chanting 'thank you!' at the end, grateful for the UK leading in the response while the EU dithered. Can't any of you recognise he is absolutely doing the right thing here, give him a teeny bit of credit? Or is still yeah but cake and 'bubbly'?!

The UK is dithering in all sorts of ways, not least in relation to Ukrainian refugees. If those Ukrainians knew half as much as we do about Bozo's lies and broken promises the response would have been "we'll believe it when we see it".

No, it isn't still yeah but cake and bubbly. It's yeah but repeatedly breaking the laws his government put in place to save lives. It's yeah but telling children they couldn't have birthday parties while the PM had a birthday party. It's yeah but repeatedly lying about it, including lying to Parliament. It's yeah but being the subject of a police investigation. None of that has suddenly unhappened.

@JaniieJones

'we don't believe him'

Speak for yourself. Many people do infact believe him, we have the actual evidence you see. We are providing military and humanitarian support, it's all there on the news.

I think Zelenskyy would perhaps have something to say if Bozo was telling lies don't you?

Did you believe him on all the multiple occasions when he has been exposed as blatantly lying, based on the actual evidence you see?

Unfortunately for Zelensky, if or when Bozo is exposed for telling lies the chances are he won't have the chance to say anything at all. Bozo will just huff and blether and say no-one is interested in that, vaccines, Brexit, fwa fwa fwa.

There can't be an adequate response from the British Government because the cabinet including the PM is full of zealots, half wits and idiots. The fact they are managing to turn this into a PR disaster is typical.
The Tory MPs and bots trotting out the UK leading the way and Boris is a wonder of statesmanship lines in the face of pretty obvious evidence we and he are not, is not cutting it with the public. They they don't have anything else, because there is no substance or competence to the government, They are just shouting into their echo chamber, while the rest of the country just looks on in horror and then takes the piss. Every Truss picture with her looking like a total narcissistic fanny just undermines everything. Someone is v successfully trolling the government from within allowing that nonsense.

The Mirror is still reporting
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/no-10-lockdown-christmas-party-26344146

@Notonthestairs

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/is-boris-johnson-trustworthy

75% of people polled as at 17/2/22 appear to disagree with you JJ.

The interesting thing about that poll is that it shows that since becoming PM a majority of people have mistrusted him almost the whole time. Even when they were voting him in, they didn't trust him. What's the reason for that, the only one that springs to mind is that the majority of people don't trust politicians at all. I've certainly never voted for anyone I trusted, I've always had a deep mistrust of every candidate standing.

The point is, mistrust of or dislike for Boris Johnson does not mean that people will vote for an alternative. I don't trust him, but I don't trust the alternatives either.

Doesn't help that Starmer's attempt at a poker-face expression makes him look like Vladimir Putin, of course.

The UK is not "leading" in terms of its approach to refugees, by a long shot.

Many EU countries (including those far less prosperous than the UK) have allowed Ukrainians to enter without visas and to bring their pets without paperwork.
Several are providing free healthcare and temporary residence permits (incl right to work).
Some are offering free train services to the border for those going to meet refugees, and/or from the border onwards once it has been crossed out of Ukraine.
Some are providing funding for those who take refugees in to their homes (200e/adult, 100e/child in one country I'm aware of).

The UK is denying entry to the parents and siblings of Ukrainians already in the country.

Well on the subject of Johnson's personal trustworthiness I think a leap from 45% (July 2019) to 75% (this month) is noteworthy.

Well on the subject of Johnson's personal trustworthiness I think a leap from 45% (July 2019) to 75% (this month) is noteworthy

Interesting quote - do you have a source for this?

It's on the Yougov chart I linked to earlier.

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/is-boris-johnson-trustworthy

The source quoted says 75% untrustworthy up from 45% - the red line
His trustworthiness has fallen from 36% to 11% - the green line.

You appear to have muddled your red and green lines. 75% say NOT trustworthy.