It's not WW3

[TheRealityCheque]

To wish people would stop conflating the Ukrainian invasion with WW3.

It's shite and completely unacceptable and my thoughts are with thee innocent people affected but it is not a world war and isn't going to become one.

IABU - WW3 is here
IANBU - it's a localised war.

Did you ever learn about Churchill waving a famous bit of paper saying Hitler wouldn't invade Poland OP? Well that worked out well didn't it?

That was Chamberlain.

Completely agree. We too all love the idea that Putin is crazy but he isn't.

Did you see the full footage of the address he made? (There’s a ~45 minute video on YouTube of it and the group press call.) He’s a brooding loon, nursing a long list of historical grudges turned septic.

@FatFredsFriedEgg

but it will be if he crosses the line into a NATO country.

But we're being told on here that Poland or Hungary may agree to Russia invading them - despite them presumably joining NATO so that Russia can't invade them again.

Anyone who has any understanding of Polish history will know that the notion that Poland would agree to being invaded by Russia is complete and utter rubbish and will never be.It’s actually a really offensive suggestion. Putin may well be eyeing up Poland as one of his next targets especially as it is part of NATO but the Poles will never just roll over.

@FatFredsFriedEgg

Anyways you're right. No country has ever started/entered a war on the say so of it's PM. Oh wait...!

I understood the suggestion as being not that they entered a war, but that the people of Hungary would agree to being invaded again by Russia, based on Orban's opinions which he's seemingly rowed back on anyway now that push comes to shove.

Do you seriously suggest that the people of Hungary want to go back to being a de facto Russian colony rather than an an independent member of the EU and NATO?

Would you like your country to be colonised by Russia?

Again, nobody said anything about the people. It's the leaders, who decide, ubfortubately. Leaders, that neither the Russians nor the Hungarians have been able to get rid of for long years.

TheRealityCheque wrote:

Sorry, but that is completely delusional. It WILL stop with Ukraine.

Putin loves his image as a madman - he is not. He is cold and calculated. There is no way he will invade a NATO member.

By the time he is finished fighting a guerilla war in Ukraine (who won't roll over) his forces will be decimated.

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@TheRealityCheque

UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace, in an interview with BBC broadcast this morning on Radio 4, says that Russia won’t stop after Ukraine.

Ordering to have the opposition leader who speaks out against you and your leadership poisoned is the work of someone who is of sound mind?

Oh yes there is nothing to be too concerned about we just playing into our media and his fabulous acting

Again, nobody said anything about the people. It's the leaders, who decide, ubfortubately.

If the leaders of Poland ever tell the Polish Army to welcome the Russians in they'll find themselves shot. And I don't believe Hungarians are any less patriotic than Poles.

The start of the end I think unfortunately

@Chakraleaf

The start of the end I think unfortunately

Any reasoning behind that?

Or literally just the dark but ambiguous prognostication?

@FatFredsFriedEgg

Again, nobody said anything about the people. It's the leaders, who decide, ubfortubately.

If the leaders of Poland ever tell the Polish Army to welcome the Russians in they'll find themselves shot. And I don't believe Hungarians are any less patriotic than Poles.

I don't know about being shot but they would be swiftly removed from any position of authority.

Thoosa wrote:

Any reasoning behind that?

Or literally just the dark but ambiguous prognostication?

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@Thoosa

Where is the ambiguity in the previous poster’s prediction?

I’m struggling to understand how you managed to fit the words “literally”, “ambiguous”, and “prognostication” into one sentence…

Some people get a kick out of making a soap opera out of a horrendously miserable situation. Remember Afghanistan in May. Everyone was a human rights and womens rights expert for a few days and oh so devastated. Do those people know or dare I say it, care about where Afghanistan is today. No, they just like to make everything about their own grief, fears, outrage, expertise - until the next story comes along.

@Alfredsothermistress

Thoosa wrote:

Any reasoning behind that?

Or literally just the dark but ambiguous prognostication?

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@Thoosa

Where is the ambiguity in the previous poster’s prediction?

I’m struggling to understand how you managed to fit the words “literally”, “ambiguous”, and “prognostication” into one sentence…

It seems to work.

It is just a gloomy but unexplained prediction AFAICS.

It may be gloomy and unexplained, but clearly it isn’t ambiguous.

@sst1234

Some people get a kick out of making a soap opera out of a horrendously miserable situation. Remember Afghanistan in May. Everyone was a human rights and womens rights expert for a few days and oh so devastated. Do those people know or dare I say it, care about where Afghanistan is today. No, they just like to make everything about their own grief, fears, outrage, expertise - until the next story comes along.

That's true to a certain extent. This current conflict is however literally right on our doorstep - so we have to deal more directly with the implications - with one nuclear power trying to provoke another nuclear power and its allies into war.

Do you really think that @sst1234

That seems incredibly harsh on people who are or have expressed grief at ANY situation.

It is one where if we don't sit and watch Russia occupy a country then we will have ww3, Russia will fight.

@Alfredsothermistress

TheRealityCheque wrote:

Sorry, but that is completely delusional. It WILL stop with Ukraine.

Putin loves his image as a madman - he is not. He is cold and calculated. There is no way he will invade a NATO member.

By the time he is finished fighting a guerilla war in Ukraine (who won't roll over) his forces will be decimated.

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@TheRealityCheque

UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace, in an interview with BBC broadcast this morning on Radio 4, says that Russia won’t stop after Ukraine.

Yes because he has skin in the game. He wants more money in the defence budget. Always follow the money. Things are never as they seem.

@maddening

It is one where if we don't sit and watch Russia occupy a country then we will have ww3, Russia will fight.

He won't stop at Ukraine.

This is very naive. Russia has nuclear weapons. This has the potential to be very serious indeed.

The idea that the Poles would welcome yet a Russian invasion is laughable at best and offensive at worst.

And Vlad never did anything for the greater good. He has always been a criminal.

yet another

Well this didn’t age well

Certainly seems like he may have lost it. His speech the other day was extremely alarming.

@sst1234 wrote:

Yes because he has skin in the game. He wants more money in the defence budget. Always follow the money. Things are never as they seem.

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Of course he has skin in the game. He’s the UK defence secretary.

Do you think you’re being clever making the kind of comment that you just have?

Is your comment meant to be enlightening in some way?

Nah, you just strike me as an idiot to be honest.